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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:30 AM Original message |
the difference between illegal and legal immigration: there is none |
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BlueStateModerate (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. Of course they're human. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. they aren't criminals, if we stop calling them criminals, did you read the post? |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. They aren't paying taxes, which means they are, by definition, criminals. |
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DIKB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Which taxes are they not paying? |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:37 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. ah, but then they have broken the law again by obtaining |
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DIKB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 07:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Where does the real guilt lie? |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
156. The way I see it, they are both guilty and deserve to be punished. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Please list Jeffy's exact physical address and amount earned last calendar year |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
89. unless he earned more than $5,000 (the standard deduction) |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
154. So, because legal citizens also break the law, that means it's ok for |
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DIKB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 04:18 AM Response to Reply #154 |
177. There is nuance. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 06:30 AM Response to Reply #177 |
179. I'm not saying i don't agree with you. If i was in that position, I would do it. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
49. I know republicans that do everything within their power not to pay |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
157. I don't recall saying that they were the only ones who did it. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #157 |
167. No you did not say that... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. I'd join you on that wager- .....eom |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
99. By your definition |
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Possumpoint (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
37. By Definition, |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
116. but if we gave them our permission, post-hoc, ergo, they are not illegal |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #116 |
158. But that is not the way our system works currently, so they are illegal. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #158 |
180. I can if I get busted, and then been pardoned or given amnesty |
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SoCalifer (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Criminals? |
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lefador (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Ain't that the truth... |
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SoCalifer (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Here, here.. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Amen to that. "Give me your tired, your poor...." I can't turn my back on the huddled masses. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
43. Welcome to DU lefador, nicely said. I grew up in New Mexico and find all this |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Where did the Mexicans get their land? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
86. Substitute Irish for Mexican and you've described my family. Amazing to see DUers |
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Possumpoint (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. I'll Fight You! |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. They have come to re-extend the borders of Mexico? Is this some kind of |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
59. Well, life just got easier. |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. We're a nation of criminals. |
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StefanX (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
169. Hello... Do you know what "tautological" means? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
176. They aren't criminals. Criminals hurt and kill people. They lie and cheat. |
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BlueStateModerate (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #176 |
185. They cheat, eh? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #185 |
194. How are the immigrants cheating? I have never been cheated on |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. Maybe, perhaps, the problem is with Mexico and other such countries? |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. why are they not "our people" too? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Wouldn't that be nice. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. why not? am I not i suggesting a political question and a political solution? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. I agree with you, but I think it's unrealistic. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. "They do it too" ranks up there with "God says so" |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Yes, I agree! |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I meant "action" broadly. |
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BlueStateModerate (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Be realistic |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Of course, the proposition in the abstract is very idealistic. But there is a middleground between t |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
153. "Racial Equality is a very unrealistic ideal: |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #153 |
183. This is a touchy point...I'll tread carefully |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #183 |
197. I'm not gonna touch your response |
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SoCalifer (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Maybe because its the U.S. trade |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. You want justice, work for peace. You want nothing but 'legal' immigration, work for justice. |
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SoCalifer (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Some of us are more informed than others |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I'll check those out. Thanks. It's almost like I don't wanna o know what the US has done. |
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SoCalifer (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. There are better |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
91. If we stopped subverting their elections, then maybe you |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
204. the Mexican government is blameless? |
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Big Pappa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:48 AM Response to Original message |
9. Sneak |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. yeah, lets try to do that |
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Big Pappa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Well help me out then |
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SoCalifer (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Well for starters |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Generally speaking, stop implementing a global economic system |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
106. Best.Post. In. The. Thead. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
120. Excellent post. Thank you for a moment of sanity. |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
48. The border is open |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yes. If we get rid of the other restrictions that currently exist. |
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Big Pappa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I can see how |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:03 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. And whose fault is that? |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
193. Or sneak into Canada and see what happens. Why are other Countries allowed their immigration laws |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
12. Well said. |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
95. In other words, Iran had no right to hold UK sailors as captives. e.o.m. |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
206. "Solidarity with ALL immigrant workers!"? |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
14. the transportation of Labor across the world and societies |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
31. Think of them as economic refugees. They live under an economically oppressive |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
121. That's how I think of them--and the US subverted Mexico's free elections last year. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
34. If I was a young person that could make 9 or 10 times what I was making |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
198. Right and the Mexican Government would deport you for being there illegally. As would any other |
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DIKB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
35. I refuse to believe that |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
38. Well said |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
41. The thing that really gets me is the hypocrisy.....you know, |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
45. Industrial-strength DLC, cheap labor hogwash! |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
103. If the immigrant workers didn't compete with workers in the US |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. They still want to destroy one of the few remaining bastions of relatively high wages. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Then let's get rid of them. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:04 PM Original message |
Dupe - self-delete. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #112 |
130. If they're here illegally, let's send them back as well. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. Why? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. Good luck with that. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Hmm, somehow I doubt that the millions of illegal immigrants here |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Actually we need a crackdown on employers. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Won't happen either. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #150 |
171. That HAS to change. And not just on illegal immigration. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Now there we agree! n/t |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
47. This is a very authoritarian country |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
122. What a heartbreaking image. Damn. nt |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
50. Freedom of movement is a human right. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Suppose a homeless person migrates into your back yard |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I'll deal that when it happens. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. They've been known to set up housekeeping in the woods around here |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
173. Every being is our own. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
52. Yes there is a difference |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
53. I guess your problem is that you disagree with the law--of this country, and every other country |
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Dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. And with the rule of law generally, it would seem. Oh well....n/t |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. And every other country... |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
87. I respect the laws, I want them to be changed. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
54. We are members of humanity and citizens of the world before we are American |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Humanity is currrently 7 Billion strong and rising |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Are you feeling cramped? |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I am feeling cramped. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
104. I think that is the duh part, the problem isn't immigration |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
123. This country would be near zero population growth |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
55. A country can only assimilate so many people at one time. |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
88. what's wrong with that? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Because it weakens the coheasion of the nation-state, thus letting the corporatists run things. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. An assay from another forum I post at. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. Interesting. Care to share with us what forum it is? -nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #115 |
186. Here's the forum: |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
56. Unfortunately, we don't have room for everyone who wants to come |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
58. Open borders is a huge mistake. |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
60. while I believe in human rights, the people that enter |
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Fountain79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
62. sigh.... |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
93. I support your position |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
66. Well, laws would seem to define a difference. You are being disingenuous in seeking |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 04:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
178. Because it's an argument for being tolerant of intolerance. nt |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
67. You're right. There is none because |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
69. translation: concept of sovereign nation-state is obsolete |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
72. The people who complain about "illegals" are those who feel they're being slighted by them. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Utter Hogwash |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Oh? Care to explain your rude dismissal, or would you just like to be an ass? - n/t |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. heh...like I just said...that'll touch a nerve. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You called it, your point. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
142. What touches a nerve |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Utter Hogwash - n/t |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #144 |
172. Oh Golly, that was clever |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Sucks to be dismissed out of hand, doesn't it? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. That'll touch a nerve |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #72 |
134. Incorrect. I, for one, simply believe a nation is obliged to manage its resources. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #134 |
140. I didn't realize you were complaining about the "illegal problem." |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
76. Illegal immigrants bypass processes that protect public health and safety |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. so do wealthy, influential LEGAL immigrants- |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
100. Not relevant, but can you substantiate that? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
147. no, not the way I should |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
77. What gets me is the hypocrisy. My husband's great-grandfather |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. And according to the Native Americans that lived here before current ones, |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
82. I agree with you mostly, but a few differences |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
83. we're all criminals if you want to come right down to it- how |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
85. I think your position is insulting to every immigrant who waited their turn, played by the rules, |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. I'm one of those legal immigrants, I'm not insulted by my own argument |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. You're not exactly being honest. you didn't wait you're turn -- you just tagged along. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
161. Your argument is that of a five year old |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #161 |
182. Was that suppose to be satire? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. It's an illustration of how simplistic and immature your argument is |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. Do you have any other criticism other than the fact that it "sounded" immature...like facts or... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #188 |
192. The onus is on you to make your case, if you have "like facts" or logic, not just emotional |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. maybe you didn't understand the gist of my argument |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
102. The fact that some people have endured needless hardship |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. I guess this where I disagree with you, control over borders is a worthy pursuit. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Borders are just lines on a map. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. what right to live and work where one pleases are you talking about |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. But you do have the right to live here. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I can see from your question that you don't recognize the right of sovereign nations to have |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Indeed I do not. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #114 |
128. Funny thing about moral law - it varies from person to person. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. A difference of opinion does not imply a difference in truth. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Spoken like those who justify assassinating abortion providers. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. Indeed, they say the same about the need for laws to be morally justified. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Breathing and sleeping are not choices, but principles are. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. Hmm, principles. |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
92. Was the European Conquest of the Americas illegal? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. not entirely true- while |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
97. Stop illegals from getting any benefits from the govt while citizens can't, and I'll agree with you. |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. and which ones are those? |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #107 |
165. Which "ones" are you referring to? |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #165 |
191. I'm asking you what BENEFITS |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
117. Everyone's for sale |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
118. Disagree. Every nation has the right, and responsibility, to manage its resources. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Sure. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. It does not have the right to privilege some citizens over others, generally. But it does |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Why? n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Because that is part of how a nation manages its resources, and for the same reason |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. "Managing" is different from "privileging." |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Access is a resource. A nation has the right, and resonsibility, to manage its resources |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Human beings are human beings. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. I shouldn't expect someone with an anarchy avatar to have any regard for |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. Indeed, you are correct that we anarchists generally wonder why |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
126. Texan Here |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
148. I see lots of emotional ideology... |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. At some point we would expect that it would no longer be profitable to come. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. The point when it's no longer profitable to come... |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Unlikely. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. The conditions for Third World immigrants in the US... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. I believe you are angry at the wrong group- Also, you are off with |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Plenty of white-collar immigrants... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #148 |
159. the gluttony of this country- |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #159 |
166. I'm also disgusted... |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #148 |
181. Strange, I thought I made a very logical argument... |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
163. In my opinion the real criminals are their employers |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-07-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
170. I agree with you one hundred percent, but I can tell you on |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
187. nationalism may suck |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Gladly, if they pay me rent. Or Build my highways, or cook my food. Or mow my lawn for $2 |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. really? you have a cook and gardener? |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #190 |
201. I thought we were talking in metaphors. Unless you really have do have an illegal immigrant living.. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
196. aein, what do you do for a living? |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. but they will mow your lawn for two dollars! |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #196 |
200. I'm a graduate student. |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. graduate student huh? So you don't compete with illegal immigrants |
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aein (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
202. I see I won't win this by argument. I rather not win it by exhaustion either... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
205. Sorry, WRONG. As a LEGAL immigrant nothing pisses me off more than illegal immigrants... |
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