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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:01 PM
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Under Mass. law, Police Officers Have To Identify Themselves
This is a great article on Mass law here http://www.slate.com/id/2223379/
Gates repeatedly requested the arresting officer's name and badge number. Gates says the officer provided neither, although the officer claims that he did, in fact, state his name. Was the officer required to provide this information?

Yes. Massachusetts law requires police officers to carry identification cards and present them upon request. Officers are also required to wear a "badge, tag, or label" with their name and/or identifying number. The law is aimed at precisely the situation in question—suspects who feel their rights are being violated. Few other states impose this requirement on their officers as a matter of law, but many individual police departments, such as the New York Police Department, have adopted it (PDF) as a matter of policy.
Here are the links to the relevant Mass. laws http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/41-98d.htm and http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/41-98c.htm If you read the police report from Crowley, it is clear that he did not comply with the law here.

Finally, the arrest was bogus under Mass law
What, exactly, is disorderly conduct?

Behavior that might cause a riot. Massachusetts courts have limited the definition of disorderly conduct to: fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or creating a hazardous or physically offensive condition for no legitimate purpose other than to cause public annoyance or alarm. (The statute, however, just says "idle and disorderly persons," a formulation that is, on its own, patently unconstitutional.) Violators may be imprisoned for up to six months, fined a maximum of $200, or both.

The stilted language in the Gates police report is intended to mirror the courts' awkward phrasing, but the state could never make the charge stick. The law is aimed not at mere irascibility but rather at unruly behavior likely to set off wider unrest. Accordingly, the behavior must take place in public or on private property where people tend to gather. While the police allege that a crowd had formed outside Gates' property, it is rare to see a disorderly conduct conviction for behavior on the suspect's own front porch. In addition, political speech is excluded from the statute because of the First Amendment. Alleging racial bias, as Gates was doing, and protesting arrest both represent core political speech.
Here is some good language from the Houston v. Hill case http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=482&invol=451
Today's decision reflects the constitutional requirement that, in the face of verbal challenges to police action, officers and municipalities must respond with restraint. We are <482 U.S. 451, 472> mindful that the preservation of liberty depends in part upon the maintenance of social order. Cf. Terminiello v. Chicago, supra, at 37 (dissenting opinion). But the First Amendment recognizes, wisely we think, that a certain amount of expressive disorder not only is inevitable in a society committed to individual freedom, but must itself be protected if that freedom would survive. We therefore affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:10 PM
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1. Thanks for this post- very good info to have.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:13 PM
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2. Maybe it was the way Gates asked that got him in a jam?
"Lemme see your mutha-fucking ID, mutha-fucker"!!!

:smoke:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:21 PM
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5. Sure. Most Harvard professors talk like Samuel L. Jackson in "Snakes on a Plane."
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 07:22 PM by Ian David
"I am tired of these motherfuckin' cops on my motherfuckin' porch!"

:sarcasm:

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:57 PM
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31. You might be surprised what gets said at faculty meetings
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:24 PM
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6. Is that how he put it? I didn't see that in any of the reports.
Maybe I missed something...oh...wait...you're not telling the truth, are you?

Never mind.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:26 PM
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7. Maybe he should have come to the door fully armed,
and blown the jack-booted thug away. It's his 2nd amendment right, you know. :sarcasm:
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:45 PM
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12. In Cambridge?
He'd be lucky to be granted a permit to posses a firearm without having to submit and grovel to the arbitrary discretion of the police chief.

Then again... he's connected so he might get a wave-off.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:49 PM
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13. I see...well...never mind...
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 07:52 PM by MineralMan
The firing range is in another area.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:59 PM
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16. And it's not in "Moscow On the Charles".
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:06 PM
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18. No? See the link below:
There are several ranges in Cambridge.

Here's one:

http://www.westfordsportsmensclub.org/
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:28 PM
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22. Westford has been annexed by Cambridge now has it?
We tried to warn folks about the expansionist polices of the Peoples Kommonwealth of Cambridge but would people listen?

Noooo... now Westford will have to change it's area code.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:56 PM
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15. what is your malfunction?
:shrug:

that's borderline racist, if I'm being very charitable.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:02 PM
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17. I believe he's lost his way.
The Gungeon is in another direction, entirely.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:06 PM
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27. Is that it?
I'm a second amendment rights advocate so something must be amiss or suspect regarding my comments?

Your hypocrisy is crystal clear... it's unacceptable to question the statements or details of a black mans side of the story,
but because one is a gun owner, their opinion is worthless or is to be ignored.

Yeah... you're someone whose posturing is to be held in high regard.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:21 PM
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20. Lighten up, Francis...
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 08:31 PM by -..__...
Do you ever read "The Onion" or "National Lampoon"?

When an obviously :sarcasm: joke is made, and it's criticized as being "borderline racist" by overly sensitive, thin skinned
race apologists, then we really have let "political correctness" diminish our sense of humor.

Some of you folks really are wound up tighter than a clock spring.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:22 PM
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21. Yeah, the sarcasmometers need to be recalibrated.
I interpreted that remark as sarcasm, anyways.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:15 AM
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39. not so obvious, considering other remarks you've made recently
maybe use a sarcasm thingy so we'll know in the future, thanks.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:06 PM
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26. Chris Rock has some advice on this...
How To Not Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:39 PM
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30. well, according to the police report, he said "Ya, I'll speak with your mama outside"
I doubt the veracity of that quote. I suppose that, no matter how Gates *actually said* it, it's possible that the officer *heard* it the way you phrased it :)
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:16 AM
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35. This conduct was still protected speech
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:08 PM
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32. Officers are likely not expected to stop in the midst of an altercation and pull out ID
Thereby opening themselves or others up to possible harm.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:19 AM
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36. Altercation? So Gates was beating him with his cane or something?
:wtf:
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:40 AM
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38. He was described as "very uncooperative"
In my opinion the officer should have handled it better, but Gates also carries some blame.

I guess we'll have better data to formulate opinions when the recordings are released.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:20 AM
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37. self delete
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 08:21 AM by marmar



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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:17 PM
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3. Tell that to the Attleboro, Mass. cops. They even give fake names when they arrest people. n/t
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:17 PM
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4. I think you're reaching here. n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:27 PM
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8. Bah. Selective snipper. Missed the section "unless suspect is black and tumultuous in own home".
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 07:28 PM by BlooInBloo
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:29 PM
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9. That's the law all over the country. That cop knew he'd screwed up. nt
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:36 PM
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10. Did you even bother to read the OP's post?...
"Few other states impose this requirement on their officers as a matter of law, but many individual police departments, such as the New York Police Department, have adopted it (PDF) as a matter of policy".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:38 PM
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11. Did you bother to read your own post?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:50 PM
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14. Apparently not...
Uff da! I just remembered another thread that I forgot before replying earlier. Not worth the trouble, IMO.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:15 PM
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19. Cops should be required to wear uniforms with giant numbers on them, like football jerseys.
Make it so you don't have to ask for a badge number, you can read it & video it from a hundred yards away...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:31 PM
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24. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
With gang colours too!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:30 PM
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23. Here is a link to the actual police report by Crowley
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 08:38 PM by Gothmog
Here is a link to the police report by Sgt. Crowley. http://www.bluemassgroup.com/upload/david/gates_incident_report_redacted.pdf Unless I misread this report, Crowley did not provide the required ID
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:32 PM
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25. So the only one breaking the law in this situation was the cop.
Obama nailed it: the cop behaved stupidly. It's hard to see why this is even remotely controversial.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:12 PM
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28. Well if you read the report, then you'd know the officer claims
he's told Dr. Gates his name several times.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:37 PM
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29. I don't see any reference to a badge number in all those lies...
Do you?
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:23 AM
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34. Even if true, Crowley did not comply with Mass Law
The Mass. law requires that an officer carry written ID and provide such written ID if requsted http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/41-98d.htm
Chapter 41: Section 98D. Identification cards


Section 98D. Each city or town shall issue to every full time police officer employed by it an identification card bearing his photograph and the municipal seal. Such card shall be carried on the officer’s person, and shall be exhibited upon lawful request for purposes of identification.
Prof. Gates made a lawful request for ID and Crowley did not provide written ID according to his own statement
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:17 AM
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33. Good OP!
Thanks for providing relevant information that helps in discussing the issue.

Recommended.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:14 PM
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40. Quite concise.
Crowley exercised poor judgment. He let his temper get to him, I suspect.
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