The Debate Continues...

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I've been involved in a long going debate on another web site with a host of Limbaugh listeners and FOX Views.

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/paddock/29052-healthcare-16.html

Below is a response I got back after posting the last Bill Moyers Journal video about uninsured people.

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Yes you are right about the people in the video. They outline the true problem in healthcare. The solution is to first recognize the problem. That problem for all in the video is portability. If these people had their own insurance policys, they could have taken them with them, which I outline in an earlier post. Employer based insurance is an outgrowth of WWII. There was a recession going on with wage freezes etc. In order for industry to attract workers they began using health insurance as an inticement. It has stayed with us ever since.. Being unimployed is another problem. For the unemployed there could be a voucher system as outlined by several conservatives, part of their alternatives to Obamacare which you won't hear about. Ther is no excuse for working, or unemployed, CITIZENS not having insurance. But the federal government through regulation has prevented it.
Something that has not been mentioned and is VERY important. The role of accountability. The people in the video have to be escluded here, bercause they grew up under the flawed system that we have. However, IF these people had had the OPTION to purchase their own policys, then you would see healthcare heading down a different path than the one it is on now. I said option because you can't make people do what they don't want to do. This is a supposedly free country and YOU have the right to do what you please concerning your health. This is not a nanny state yet!! If the individual is responsible for purchasing his or her own insurance, they have to make a choice to do it or not. As in the video, you don't know when you are going to need it until you do, need it. But along with choices, comes the consequenses of their actions, The first couple i dare to say would not weigh 400 lbs. and have diabetes. They would know that to not get insurance they would have to lead a healthier lifestyle, because if they get injured, car wreck, eat some tainted food from their refrig etc. would mean they would have to pay for it themselves. Encouragement enough to purchase insurance. The young think they are invincable and you won't convince them any different. Theywill say, "I'll be careful and nothing will happen to me".
We do however have to put up with the dumbing down of our kids through the "puplic" of as I say the "government" education. I do believe that it is a concerted dffort of out political system to keep the populace dumb enough to make good workers and not think for yourself. That wey they are easily controlled. Boy George did it with his "No child left behind" legislation. Now all the classmates have to be held to the level of the dumbest kid in the class. No incentives to excell or do better, or think on your own.
For the people in the video, it will take moving a mountain to give them the care they so desperately need. Social Security has been robbed and is virtually bankrupt or it would be there for each of those individuals. The program has been cut so many times due to the thivery of the politicians. Just today it was annouced that the Obama team is going to cut benefits next year though he promised he would not do so.
I have to say this and don't think of it as just for this president, as there have been as many on the other side of the isle that have done just about as bad. President Obama, could go down as one of the greatest presidents of our time if he were a true centrist and a leader. He is sadly neither. He campaigned as a moderate. He has governed from the far left. He has not lead this country anywhere except to the brink of a major depression. Want proof? This country is spending approximately $1.70 for each $1.00 that it takes in. The new estimate for the deficit for next year has just been revised, released today, and will be made news(if they dare report it at all) tomorrow. It will be $2Trillion MORE than projected. If he were a leader, he would have a simple outline of what he wants to do. He could defend it and explain it to the general public. He has NO idea of what this bill has in it. When he has tried to explain any part of it without his teleprompter, he has not been able to answer a question with any information that actually informed the questioner what he was trying to say. His healthcare bill is TOO involved, TOO convoluted, and TOO complex for the average person to know what is being said. The people that wind up being the regulatrors will be able to do pretty much whatever they want to, cause you can't decipher what the language of the bill is trying to say. Look at some of the previous post, can you really tell what is actually being said? Mr. Obama has lied to the American public from the campaign trail where he has not fulfilled one objective or promise, that he outlined on the trial to the presidency. Not raise taxes on the average American, yeah really. When he said change, no one in the media asked him what kind or how much. Had he outlined what he REALLY had plans for us, I would venture to say he wouldn't have been elected. I guess we will never know though.
I have to admit, I was very interested in him because he was a fresh voice, articulate, young, a new form of Kennedy. I had high expectations for him and probably would have voted for him until he started showing his true colors on the campaign trail(Joe the Plumber and spread the wealth around etc. etc.) He didn't present himself as a John Kerry democrat(second most liberal senator, Obama the most liberal), He campaigned as a moderate and his eloquence and color cause everyone to just lay down for him. I judge him on his performance, not what he says. He is not truthful and is not to be trusted!!
I will still stand by what I have said about healthcare(all of my post together). We can't do a lot for those that are suffering right now until the direction is altered. Then they can be brought into the system. Resend the stimulus that has failed and has unemployment 2% higher than he promised and has lost 2 Million more jobs(the latest numbers show unemployment actually growing this month) and use the funds to restore Social Security and Medicare. I operate on the KISS principle and I think the simple changes will do the most for the American public. Not those you can't state in simple english.

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Who the hell are you??? Democrat underground??? Hm...Why are you so bitter?