Bet on no gun confiscation

[brewens]

I decided that every time I hear some half-wit say Obama is gonna take it's guns away, that I'll ask it for a little wager.
Next time I see my brother in law should be a sure chance. I think I'll go about $500. As long as Obama is President they will not confiscate even one of your guns!
With some gun nuts that may require stipulating that as long as they don't go out and buy a fully automatic assault rifle or anything like that.

[NYC_SKP]

1. its a safe bet

go for it!

[FreakinDJ]

2. Agreed - its a safe bet

WingNuts showing up at town hall meetings with guns strapped to their side and not being taken away by the Secret Service for questioning is the CLEAREST MESSAGE that Obama is NOT going to take away your guns

[Wilms]

3. Well Obama hasn't stopped by to confiscate my gun...

...but a Death Panel Coordinator paid a visit and told me they may need to borrow it from time to time.

[davidpdx]

4. Tell the nut I'll bet them $500 as well

I need some extra money.

[Tim01]

5. I never figured he would, nobody said he would.

Confiscation? No, of course not.

HE said that he plans to ban the manufacture or sale of a bunch of different kinds of guns. He said it before he was elected, and he put it on his public agenda after he was elected. It's gone now. He called it the "New" Assault Weapons Ban.

Of course, the old Assault Weapons Ban has made "Assault weapons", (semi-auto rifles) hugely popular. They are now the most popular style rifle in the country. Lots of people have them now who never had any intention of getting one.

So the first Assault Weapons Ban effected a small number of gun owners, lots of hunter types didn't even care.

That is no longer the case, not at all.

A new Assault Weapons Ban would be so far worse politically than most politicians realize. It would be really really ugly for democrats. Voting would be punitive and decisive.

I never wanted an "assault weapon", saw no use of one for me, didn't care about them, thought they were ugly, and heavy. Now I have 2 of them. There are so very many people just like me, who became interested in this issue AFTER the Assault Weapons Ban. Tons of people. The numbers are unbelievable. And we all vote.

[tularetom]

7. I'll second that

I have a BAR Short Trac, one of the few auto loaders manufactured with a left hand ejector. I have difficulty thinking of it as an "assault weapon".

I'd be pretty pissed off if it got on a list of banned firearms.

I doubt if I'd be pissed off enough to vote for a republican but I might just not vote at all.

[Lasher]

10. I have a Browning BAR II Safari semiautomatic.

I've never thought of it as an assault weapon but it would be illegal if they ban all semiautomatic rifles. If they include semiautomatic shotguns, they would also come after the Sweet 16 I inherited from my grandfather.

That would be hard to forgive.

[Tim01]

11. I'm not sure if your Browning would be on the list or not.

It has a detachable box magazine, that very well might put it on the list. I'm positive my rifles would be on the list.

I actually don't think they could get away with it anymore. If they bring back the AWB Americans will throw the dems out of virtually every public office there is, for a very long time.

Those Brownings sure easy on the eyes, aren't they?

[Lasher]

17. Right, these old Brownings aren't hard to look at.

My favorite has to be the Sweet 16. I've got one more Browning, .22 caliber lever action that my brother gave me.

The BAR II was not included in the previous AWB but I've seen some speculate about banning all autoloaders. I don't think it will come to that, or that there will be another AWB in any form, but we lose votes just by saying that's what we want. Polls indicate most folks actually favor one but very few of them would be single issue voters. Lots of gun owners are.

[Tim01]

18. People favor the ban because they don't know what it is.

Some people just don't care if we ban all guns, they figure it doesn't effect them. But of the people who should know better, the idea is deeply entrenched that the AWB is about machine guns.
When I try to explain to some hunters that the AWB is about semi-autos, I can tell they start to think I am one of the gun extremists. They think it is ridiculous to suggest the govt would ban semi-autos. I am STILL working on some people who actually have guns. They just can't believe it is about semi-autos. It's weird.

[Euromutt]

13. Excellent summary

As a comparatively new gun owner, I'm unimpressed by claims to the effect that "nobody's going to confiscate your guns." That's almost certainly correct, but what I'm actually concerned about is whether certain guns I'd like to acquire will still be available by the time I can afford them.

And the run on firearms (particularly those suitable for defensive purposes) and ammunition in the past year is evidence right there that no gun owner expected the Obama administration to confiscate any firearms; what's the point of buying a gun that you think will be confiscated? Nah, it's about snapping up particular types of firearm while they're still for sale so that they be grandfathered in.

[Tim01]

16. Yep, that's exactly it.

It's how I ended up with what I have. And if they bring back the AWB again, then I'll be afraid to shoot them for fear of wearing them out or breaking a part I can never get again.

It does look like the 2nd amendment is doing a pretty good job of stopping that crap so far though. If we didn't have the 2nd we would be just like Britain already. It wouldn't matter what the people wanted as far as arms go. It would just be too late.

[The Straight Story]

6. They have Obama confused with some duers

;)

[NAO]

8. Double Down your bet with Bible Confiscation

The first thing I said after election night was:

"Well, my gun and my Bibles are still here, so I guess Obama didn't win"

because all the nut jobs had gone on and on about how if Obama won, he would take their guns and outlaw the Bible.

[Mythbuster]

9. Or even better still

Double down on no "Death Panels" even if Palin did say so!! :rofl: :rofl:

[baldguy]

12. The only people who talk seriously about confiscating guns is the NRA/GOP

when they're trying to squeeze donations out of the gullible stupid.

[brewens]

14. I seem to have attracted a few with this gun post

If I was into assault rifles and really thought "they" (the government I assume)were going to come for them, I sure wouldn't brag about owning any. I definitely wouldn't post anything about it on the internets and especially with pics of what models I own.

[spin]

15. Oh hell, if you were that paranoid...

you would believe that the government already knows you own firearms and probably the types of firearms you own.

It's called "data mining".

Previous data mining to stop terrorist programs under the U.S. government include the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program, Secure Flight (formerly known as Computer-Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS II)), Analysis, Dissemination, Visualization, Insight, Semantic Enhancement (ADVISE<12>), and the Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange (MATRIX).<13> These programs have been discontinued due to controversy over whether they violate the US Constitution's 4th amendment, although many programs that were formed under them continue to be funded by different organizations, or under different names.<14>

Two plausible data mining techniques in the context of combating terrorism include "pattern mining" and "subject-based data mining".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining

[benEzra]

19. Automatic assault rifles are already as tightly controlled as bombs and howitzers in the USA

and, except for a handful of pre-1986 collectibles, are strictly limited to police/military/government use only.

There are plenty of people who want to ban NON-automatic civilian "assault weapons"---scare-speak for the most popular civilian rifles in America---but actual automatic weapons have been tightly controlled for 75 years in this country. And Obama has (thankfully) made it clear that he is not interested in pushing for a new "assault weapon" ban.

I shoot a non-automatic civilian AK recreationally and competitively, FWIW. I am concerned somewhat about future availability of ammunition and magazines, but confiscation of "assault weapons" or any other civilian guns is a non-issue; it will never happen in this country, period, regardless of how much some Third Way zealots might want it.

[Statistical]

20. Confiscation isn't a concern among mainstream gunowners.

If nothing else the sheer cost along would dissuade an utterly bankrupt federal govt from trying.

However banning an entire class of weapons IS infringement and at least in the past Obama indicated favoring a variety of bans & restrictions.

[thelordofhell]

21. I wonder how many GOPigs would have made that bet before Katrina

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

22. It appears as if Obama will use up ALOT of political capital passing healthcare.

And then he said immigration may be next. I doubt he'll have any political capital left after healthcare to follow through on his proposed urban policy. Even if he went after guns directly following healthcare... he would still fall short. If he still decides to pursue a new AWB it can only be in a few years (at least) and that's IF the public approves of any passed healthcare reform AND his political capitol has time to grow.