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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:33 PM Original message |
Catholic priest during his homily today called Ted Kennedy "not a good Catholic" |
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JanusAscending (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. " Judge not, lest ye be judged"! |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Pope seemed to think Kennedy was a pretty good Catholic, |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
97. Agreed! |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. "not a good Catholic" |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Well I think Ted wanted to. |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Not as much as he wanted to be a good Senator. Obviously. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Ted was both a good Senator and a good progressive Catholic. |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. I agree with you, but I think the Pope perhaps would not. |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
49. don't let your fear get the better of you. The Pope acknowledged this Good Catholic, the priest in |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. You completely mis-read my use of the word "fear" but that's okay. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
99. I know all that. I don't like Benedict. At all. |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
48. Not only did Ted WANT to be a good Catholic, he WAS a good Catholic. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
93. What makes you think such a thing? nt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. An old priest who is not familiar with the concept of "judge not". |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. He's probably impotent |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Absolutely no connection. Doesn't even make any sense. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. Wouldn't that be between Ted Kennedy and his priest? |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. It isn't necessarily about his soul. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. So all the years since the accident, Teddy's exempliary life means nothing? |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Nope. That lesson never seems to be learned by some. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I guess those things are why I will never again be able to believe in a religion |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think his Bishop will beg to disagree as I am sure Kennedy money has |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
51. money has nothing to do with it. Ted Kennedy knew that 'to whom much was given, much was expected' |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
65. Yet. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
75. I haven't been to church for forty years and I haven't been excommunicated. |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
85. I believe, according to Catholic law and all that... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. Guilty of bad taste and bad timing, among other things. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. Give him a bill |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
14. Print neatly, "Fuck off you lying hypocritical bastard. You have a nerve... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Or, you could have asked him to read today's Gospel again. |
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Loki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:45 AM Response to Reply #20 |
44. I heard the same one today. |
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Mrs. Overall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
95. +1 |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. I've been heard saying "bullshit!" under my breath |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I have agreed not to start anything on Christmas Eve. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That would infuriate me |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. So he prefers people who torture and murders children after their born? |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
17. You mean you didn't walk out? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
19. Oh, so the priest thinks his opinion is better than the Pope's? |
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Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
21. Tell him you are diverting his collection cash to a Kennedy charity |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. That's one that should work--!!! |
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road2000 (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
77. Give it to the Special Olympics! |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
89. Great idea. n/t |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
23. The Priest might be a little surprised when he gets to Heaven. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
24. Make it personal: |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
25. To paraphrase: |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
27. This would be my note |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Very thoughful response and one he should be able to understand |
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Beer Snob-50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
61. THIS IS A GREAT LETTER!!!!! |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Individual Catholics do a great deal of good -- the nuns who serve |
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Beer Snob-50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I agree with you |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #27 |
66. Perfect! (imo) n/t |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
71. nicely done n/t |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
82. wow, that is worthy of a thread of it's own |
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Lifelong Protester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. some very thoughtful responses here, some a little blunt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
29. I'd be inclined to bet that Ted Kennedy was probably a better Catholic or person . . . |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
31. Tell him you were insulted by his comments |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
32. Tell him you were insulted by his comments |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
33. Ask him why |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I suspect that has to do with the sacrament of baptism. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
34. If this priest was not Ted Kennedy's confessor, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
36. If that parish priest had to depend on good Catholics to support his parish, |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
37. For examples of good Catholics, read "Hitler's Pope" by John Cornwell |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. For a counterbalance of resistance, read my late uncle's book Hitler Youth and Catholic Youth |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
38. I used to be "a good Catholic". |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
40. A copy of the Pope's letter to Teddy would be in order. Three things, actually... |
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Justice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I agree with your recommendation. |
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road2000 (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. I'm with Hekate on this. |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
42. I'd write: |
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WVRICK13 (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
43. Typical |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Apperently Ted Kennedy did give a 'flying fuck' about such matters: |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. And he got the equivalent of a form letter in response. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
68. Wrong. Why would he care what one single priest says. You can find a priest somewhere |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
45. Don't go to that church again...? |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
59. That's a possibility, but |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
50. anytime a minister singles a person out adn declares and judges the person christianity, they are |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
52. Apparently by that he meant, "He didn't accept total church brainwashing" |
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Mystayya (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
53. Odd- I was in a Catholic Church yesterday and saw the opposite |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
54. Father Joseph Vetter who came to know Ted Kennedy and the family |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
55. The priest in question needs a refresher course in the American Revolution. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
56. The old guy was havng a bad day. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
58. I got into an online argument about this over the weekend. |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. "You can be pro-choice and a good Catholic." |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
83. No, You Can't. |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
60. stand up, shake your head and walk out |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. That's exactly what I would have done. (nt) |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
64. "Ted Kennedy was not a good Catholic...thank God." |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
70. It must be awesome to be able to cast that first stone |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
73. Oskar Schindler was a terrible Catholic who cheated on his wife, drank too much, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
92. Not only that he was a card carrying NAZI, but he seemed to have retained |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
74. Tell him there is nothing about abortion in the Bible |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Nor was there any concern by the church about abortion until the middle |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
78. Maybe That's Why He Was a Good Senator. |
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harry_pothead (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
80. More moral advice from the catamite church. |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
81. Insert a note with John 8:7 |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
84. If You Don't Go Of Your Own Accord, As You Say, Why Do You Care What He Says? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
86. Tell him you're obviously not a good catholic because you can think for yourself...n/t |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
87. Ahhh.. a priest, measuring piety |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
88. The BIble--& Catholic social teaching--are full of concern for the poor & for workers. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
91. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good human being |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
100. If I need any more shit out of priests, I'll just squeeze their heads ! |
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skier_ (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
101. As my mom said, |
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