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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 04:49 PM
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Don Imus and free speech
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 04:52 PM by BobcatJH
In response to something I wrote about the Don Imus saga Friday, Matt, a journalism graduate school friend of mine, replied and made his case quite succinctly. Another friend, Karl, weighed in, as did I. With our back-and-forth in mind, I'd like to add some detail to my point-of-view. If I may make so bold, Matt's entire argument can be summarized in his own words: "By calling for (and ultimately causing) the firing of Don Imus, it sets a bad precedent for free speech." I disagree, and, though I am as firm a defender of free speech as he, I would like to take this argument in a different direction, speaking to both the issues of our freedoms and the role of the people-powered movement in the debate.

Before I do that, however, I'd like to address another of Matt's central assertions, the importance of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in determining Imus's eventual fate. Matt wrote, "What happened here was a vast minority of people took full use of the media resources around them (in this case, Rev. Al and Jesse Jackson) and created a situation where there was a perceived national outcry against this particular discussion. Advertisers and corporate executives were pressured into firing Imus lest they be subject to continued protesting outside of their offices. In the face of this pressure, advertisers dropped out and corporate was forced to fire Imus." Quite simply, no.

Sharpton wasn't responsible for Imus's firing. Nor was Jackson. Nor was I. Don Imus was responsible for what happened to Don Imus. He said something both woefully stupid and incredibly bigoted, millions of people took note of the man's sad track record of similar statements, and they responded. What Imus-defenders may perceive as the start of the story - the response - only occurred because Imus so polluted the airwaves. The fault is clear: It begins and ends with Imus. Now, back to my point, about what I think is the collision between the old way of doing things and the new way of doing things. This intersection is especially apparent in the uproar surrounding Imus's statements.

Imus - and his many, many peers still gainfully employed (Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, for instance) - represent what I'll call "active assholery". In the past, active assholery was met only with what I'll call "passive participation" or, worse yet, nothing at all. In other words, people like Beck would enjoy free rein to pollute the airwaves with all manner of hate speech, while the rest of us had to sit there and take it. If you don't like my choice of phrase, why not use Matt's chosen frame, the free market model? There, our choice was easy: Listen, or don't. Take it, or ... take it. Even the most aggressive tools at our disposal were anything but.

I'm not interested in capitalism winning out. I'm interested in democracy winning out. Expect the market to take care of people like Imus? If that's the case, the market has been doing a terrible, terrible job. In my model, on the other hand, active assholery meets active participation. When confronted with the Imuses and Becks of the world, we no longer have to take it. We can, and should, do something about it. And I fail to see why their rights to speak out trump ours. Referring to the Imus matter, Matt wrote, "The way it was done, in my opinion, subverts that Constitution and opens up a whole different discussion about what free speech truly is." Not so. What would have subverted the Constitution would have been to embrace the old model, to do nothing. By taking back our rights, we actively embraced all that's good about that brilliant document.

Thinking about it through this frame, I see nothing at all wrong with contacting journalists, their employers or their corporate partners and voicing our concerns. How is that different from contacting our elected officials? Sure, the outcome may not be the same, but the intent often is: Seeking responsiveness and the awareness of a particular point-of-view. By likening what happened to Imus to what he believes could happen to me, Matt does a tremendous disservice to his argument. Why? Because, at the core, we're not talking about punishing speech with which people don't happen to agree. We're talking about fighting back against what has been a steady stream of hate speech. Matt's counterexample to the Imus firing - a coordinated right-wing response to my writings - falls flat because my criticisms of those whom the right-wingers admire never, ever wade into the use of flatly bigoted language.

These are the sort of traps we face on a near-daily basis: Contact an advertiser about a prominent media personality using bigoted language and we're taking part in a partisan witch hunt, but make legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration and face ouster simply because we said something with which conservatives disagree. See the problem? As a progressive, I've become used to being confronted regularly with these sort of false equivalencies. And when we're not being held subject to such scrutiny, we're being barraged with muddying arguments like those now being made about rappers' use of the word "ho". This is why, I'm sure, someone will accuse me of being a hypocrite for writing something like this in the past. You told people to change the channel. We're telling you to change the channel. What's the difference? But what I wrote about then - content with which one disagrees - bears no similarity to what I'm writing about now, truly bigoted content.

Who, in the long run, will be more hurt by what Imus said - Imus, or the Rutgers women's basketball team? Certainly not Imus, who, after some time in civil society's penalty box, will surely be back, perhaps on satellite radio (and perhaps, due to the attention now being paid him, at an even higher pay grade). When that happens, there's nothing in Imus's history that tells us his contrition won't be short-lived. The team, meanwhile, will, no matter what heights the women reach in their lives, always face the stigma of being called "nappy-headed hos". This goes far beyond hurt feelings and, in doing so, beyond a simple First Amendment argument. Imus hasn't lost his freedom of speech, He's lost his job. His employers terminated him not because his actions posed a First Amendment crisis; they did so because his continued employment posed a bottom-line crisis. So, in that way, what happened was a victory for the market. And democracy.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 04:54 PM
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1. there's free speech and there's who gets the microphone.
since when are consumers not entitled to boycott?
since when are customers not entitled to complain?

if imus's employer is peddling a defective product, we have every right to demand a recall.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 04:55 PM
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2. White folks: sanctioning racists *hurts* black people...
:rofl:

DUers slay me.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:01 PM
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3. What freedom of speech do you have when consolidated corporate media delivers propaganda/hatespeech
24/7/365?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:12 PM
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4. Imus is old enough and rich enough to retire
Heck, he's probably getting a large cash settlement for being fired. People at his level often do. I should be punished so harshly at 66 after I've spent 21 years shovelling sh*t into society for millions of dollars. Except my current job is to clean up other people's messes, not to make them laugh at misinformation, stereotypes and bigotry.
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madison Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:17 PM
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5. There is NO Constitutional right to have a talk show.
This is NOT a matter of denying anyone his or her First Amendment rights ... people are free to stand on street corners or in living rooms and assembly halls all over America and spew their hate talk BUT they should NOT be allowed to use the public's airwaves to do it.

There is NO Constitutional right to have a talk show.

Don Imus, he of small talent, has made $millions and has had a long, if sorry, career. Do not weep for Don Imus ... he was lucky he didn't get pulled sooner.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:21 PM
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6. Ah, the "marketplace" decided. Or journalists can make a difference.
I don't buy it.

If the "marketplace" decided, or journalists can make a difference, then this asshole in the following cite would have been gone after singing this racist little ditty: http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200703230002

He sang it less than a month ago, in March.

The marketplace had nothing to do with it. Nor do journalists.

Anyone who complained about this didn't get round-the-clock airtime to voice their complaints...so it may as well just never have even happened.

The pro-war corporate suits just LOVE their pro-war shills who make racist comments to draw in their huge crowds of listeners.

It's the ANTI-WAR guys who make racist remarks to draw in millions of listeners who have to go. It's the guys who have called for the firing of Gonzales who make racist remarks who have to go. Can't have their millions of macho, angry, Republican, male listeners who are also probable voters getting any anti-war, anti-BushCo ideas.

I don't remember a fucking PEEP about that little song...that went on, and on, and on. It wasn't three words, it was minstrel-accented pure offense. Why wasn't was Al Sharpton on all the networks going on about this? How about Jesse Jackson? Where were the talking heads saying "This just went OVER the line?" Because it did.

But the only way you get airtime to voice your complaints is if the corporate suits in the big executive suites GIVE it to you. And they gave it for Imus, because they WANTED this firestorm....but they didn't sound the outrage alarm for Limbaugh--and they easily could have, and should have.

So what's up with that?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:23 PM
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7. The whore media contacts Jackson and Sharpton over and over
and then condemns them for being self appointed advocates?

Don Imus has the right to spew his careless bigotry in any venue that will have him.

I have the right to object to his careless bigotry in any venue where it appears.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:31 PM
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8. Freedom of speech does not mean --
that one can say whatever to whomever wherever without consequence. It merely means that you can do so without retaliation from the government. Freedom of speech is a right -- a platform however is not.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:36 PM
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9. There is free speech and then there is hate speech.
The two go hand in hand. But of course hate speech has repercussions as we saw this week, and thats a good thing!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 07:32 PM
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10. BobcatJH, your friend Matt should go to his journalism grad school
and demand a tuition refund.

If they have taught him to think this is a First Amendment case regarding infringement of free speech, they are not teaching him very well.

Or maybe he needs to pay more attention in Communications Law class.
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