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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:18 PM Original message |
Mandated Healthcare is NOT a "tax." |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. nope, my aunt doesnt have to get auto ins because she doesnt drive |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. +1 |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. No it's mandated for car OWNERS |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. ?? Fine, liability and it covers the other person's damage. And, if you are financed you must have |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. People are not required to own a car |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. We are already "taxed" by emergency rooms for those without ins. Let's get them covered somehow. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. We've been thru this. Auto ins is not at all the same as health ins. -eom |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. gawd |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. It is the principal of risk-spread, not cars vs. healthcare, though car ins. covers injury as well. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Private insurance companies are in the business of AVOIDING risk spreading |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Gawd, if I hear one more person call every cost necessity a "tax" I think I'LL puke. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. what does it matter what the fuck it is called? |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. It's a tax... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. To pass constitutional muster, it actually is: |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. for instance.. motor cycle helmets were required because the "State" decided it cheaper |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. Exactly. Same for the cost of airbags passed to the consumer. And many other things in life. |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. Those of us that believed Obama when he campaigned against mandates should |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. What happened to single payer which Obama suported in summer 2008? n/t |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Obama CONCEDED single payer before they ever got started. |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. No, Dems knew Medicare For All couldn't pass right now. Let's be positive. Reform+Public Option |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. There is no fucking way that a public option that is postponed until 2013 can work |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. So when did all of the OUTRAGE against Medicare happen? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Read posts above this one ^^^ |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. thanks for the photo, that just about says it all... so sad... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't really care if it's a tax or not. Insurance companies getting potentially more customers... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
55. The proposed public options heavily restrict who can join |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
8. True, not a tax. It's a payback to |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes it is. I can chose not to own or operate a motor vehicle. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yes, |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
11. It is a form of tax, but so what? The question is whether the plan is just. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Some kinds of tax are constitutional, others are not |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I don't see how this applies, however... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
64. If it's mandatory it's a form of capitation, and yes it is a kind of tax |
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Old Codger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. LOL |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
15. It does not matter. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
59. Of course n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
16. So the tax law is discriminatory against my family |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. +1 |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
51. You said it well. |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
17. Mandated health INSURANCE is!! |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. No, it's just another screw-the-consumer bill |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. How do you plan to enforce mandated insurance against homeless people? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Debtors prison |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. And they can do stuff while in prison, like pick crops. There, illegal |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
25. Let's go over this again |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
26. No. But its stupid |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. Plenty of people don't own a car, can I disown my body? |
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WeCanWorkItOut (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. Mandated insurance is a "poll tax," falling heavily on the working poor |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
30. you're right it is not a tax |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Singlepayer isn't happening, so give the public option and market reforms a chance. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Which public option? |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. The one that is going to |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
33. Stop supporting Democratic Politicians and Start supporting Democratic Principles |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
35. Just for you, RBinMaine: a repost |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
42. Do you still say the same thing if there's no public option...? |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. Good post. I would like to add |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
43. You are WAY off track. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
45. So people who refuse to pay big fees to the insurance industry should be fined? |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
48. No we don't ALL need auto insurance, and to say that we do is disingenuous. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. There are only five relevant words in this Post. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
50. I don't think anybody should be born with an obligation for the money we spent, either. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
52. The ACLU doesn't believe mandatory health insurance is a tax. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
56. Is Social Security a "tax"? |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
57. WHy is this statement so controversial??? |
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sl8 (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
63. "The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax." |
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lifesbeautifulmagic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
65. if mandated coverage is passed |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
66. From the first line of the OP, no we do not all need to get auto |
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