Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

[Electric Monk]

That's my opinion, anyway. Anyone feel like debating that?

[Cha]

1. That's right..don't try to state your opinion

as fact.

[tridim]

2. "Your own facts" is Faux and Limbaugh's sole reason for existence.

[Gwereeya]

31. Pretty much.

Yeah.

[bbinacan]

3. Nope. You got me.

:toast: :toast:

[MineralMan]

4. No. Not worth debating.

You're more than welcome to your opinion. You don't even have to share it. We'll understand.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

5. Yes,...BUT,... who takes time to actually prove facts, these days?

:shrug:

Not even lawyers do that, anymore, knowing how much easier it is to manipulate than persuade with "facts". Lies, innuendo, fiction, intuition, gossip, religiosity and anything spectacularly negative are so much easier to push onto people,...even easier to shove people's opinions.

Aren't they,...:shrug:

Shit. Look what an aweful cynic I've become!!! x(

[derby378]

6. Facts are those pesky things that, when you stop believing in them, do not go away

I forget who said that, but I think more opinions need to be based on facts before I start givng them any weight.

[Electric Monk]

9. Richard Dawkins?

Hmm, someone just un-recommended this thread. Apparently they think they are entitled to their own facts after all.

Shall we play a little game of guess who it was based on things they've posted tonight?

[derby378]

11. I'd like to know the answer to that, myself

Maybe it was an Orly Taitz supporter?

[Forkboy]

12. That's a paraphrase of Philip K. Dick.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

Philip K. Dick, "How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later", 1978

[derby378]

15. Thanks for the tip

I also like the Indiana Jones version, which falls along similar lines: "Archaeology is the search for fact, not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."

[Electric Monk]

16. Ah, yes. Thank you. nt

[rd_kent]

7. Thats what I tell my religious friends

doesnt seem to make any difference.....

[moondust]

8. Fox News disagrees.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/30/201231/262

[derby378]

10. Why would anyone unrec this?

You want to unrec my posts, that's fine - I can take it. But this OP makes a very valid point about facts being what they are, and someone decided to give them a hard time over it.

[SIMPLYB1980]

14. Because some people like to make up

their own facts.

[Selatius]

17. I don't know, but I'm the guy who pushed it to +1. nt

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

18. In a country based on capitalism rather than democracy, facts appear to be a commodity, too.

"Facts" are a commodity that have been traded in for something more lucrative: anything that manipulates.

Like I previously stated, I have become terribly cynical,...some would call it pragmatic.

I have never and would never UNrecommend any post on this discussion board. Neither the recommendations or UNrecommendations have changed whatever factions influence this board, anyway. Personally, I choose to cast a positive vote at those things that either challenge or inspire me,...and ignore the rest.

That's just the way I am.

[gleaner]

13. Yes we are ...

Not everyone is going to interpret events the same way. Just because people see things differently doesn't make what they see a lie. It is just filtered through a different perspective.

I don't feel that I am entitled to your opinion, and that's a fact. It popped up on a post when I opened this thread and it will disappear when I submit this post. Good things do happen after all.:bounce:

[imdjh]

19. Didn't somebody famous say that recently?

[rucky]

20. link?

[Electric Monk]

30. lol ok

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6536500#6537272

[mopinko]

21. dude, didn't you ever see the movie

rashomon?

[HughBeaumont]

22. Tell that to THIS yak fluffer -

[bridgit]

23. Not everyone is entitled to their own opinion however their's, whether a fact or not...

this is understood easily where such opinions nurture instead heinous, pernicious acts & behaviors that may intrude upon, or disembowel, an otherwise peaceful environ presumed by both right & opinion i.e. Jeffrey Dahmer. The opinions of certain others are more simply discounted routinely by yet others that deem them unsuitable to whatever extent for whatever reason and so...

Opinions are able to become distilled from where they once started as some this & that, some such & so forth, a pinch of something er'other, and a spoon full of sugar into a spirit able to roll a movement

Is it a fact that 'the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie'? No. Is it a fact that while we understand more about sanitary medical protocol today; that once upon a time civil war saw-bone surgeons smoked cigars in sweaty tents piled with bloody, sawed limbs with little regard for the impact unsanitary medical protocol wrought upon their duties & charges cause the improvements specific to same are, you know, like night & day? Yes.

When, in your opinion, does 'a fact' become 'a fact'? In the late evening, when you can't see the sun; is the sun no longer 'a fact' or is the sun only a 'real fact' when it warms your skin? Aren't facts actually facts all along and it's more the case we were unable to recognize them as such regardless of whose they really are, or were?

[whathehell]

24. No...It's one of my very favorite quotes...from the late Sen. Pat Moynihan, I believe

[Barack_America]

25. Socialist.

Facts should be subject to free market competition.

[Electric Monk]

26. Pi can be defined by the highest bidder?

Yum.... Pi....

[Odin2005]

27. A line I use all the time on creationists, Libertarians, Anti-Vaxers, and New Age nuts.

[ehrnst]

28. Also - Don't believe everything you think. (nt)

[conscious evolution]

29. Dude,like,this is du

Facts are irrelavent here.
You should know that by now.

[gatorboy]

32. Some people say,

"You're wrong!"

[Echo In Light]

33. Within a deluge of info and media outlets, each with an agenda, it all boils down to Source Wars

[skygazer]

34. YOU LIE!

I just felt like saying that.

[MissMarple]

35. You win.

:)

[Electric Monk]

36. Cookie? Kewpie doll? Satellite radio?

Thanks for your endorsement :)

[mmonk]

37. A cursory glance at American media says otherwise.