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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:07 PM Original message |
Poll question: Should Roman Polanski be put on trial? |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. No. He pled guilty, and then fled. He should be in jail. nt |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. There are questions about the fairness of the first trial judge. |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. The transcript of his guilty plea is up at Smokinggun |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. The original plea agreement had a term of evaluation and that .. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. The judge is under no obligation |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. It's merely... |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. If the judge is not obligated - in any way |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. He's Already Been Tried and Convicted |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Wrong.... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. He is still convicted. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Yes, but a plea at the basis of a conviction can be withdrawn under... |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. He's already had a trial. n/t |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. No. He didn't. He entered a plea after arraignment. No trial was conducted. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Kind of a meta-test to see how many people realize there's already a guilty plea? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. A guilty plea in the face of unfair rulings by a judge. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. "He deserves a retrial." - Not what the question was. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Did the judge torture a confession out of him? |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Yes, he knew per the terms of the plea agreement what was happening. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Plea deals are struck between prosecutors and perps... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. That has not been my experience when I practiced... |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I said a judge is not obligated to accept a deal. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. It seems you are not here to rationally discuss issues... |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Judges, not accepting plea deals... |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. It is so rare it makes headlines when it happens. Hasn't happend |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. No i think the implication is that the judge was about to impose a sentence... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:31 PM Original message |
Exactly.... |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. He already pled guilty. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. And been convicted. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. And I'm not sure fleeing would be a new trial and not just time added on. n/t |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. A conviction implies double jeopardy. I don't think he can be tried on the same crime again. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Of course |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. He's committed another crime by fleeing. Yes. A new trial. nt |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. New crimes do not abrogate old convictions. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. No one said they did. nt |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. OK, I think I'm on track now... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Correct. nt |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Nor do they enhance them. n/t |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Actually, running from a conviction does add to the crime. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Please cite the Cal PC which states that after a plea an escape... |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Are you implying... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. It's a Calif case... |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I was making the point that |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. "He drugged" when victim provided the drugs and Polanski the booze? |
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tk2kewl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. you can try him for fleeing |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Didn't say he should be tried for rape again. Doesn't anybody read here? |
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tk2kewl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. "new trial" seemed to indicate "re-trial" to me. eom |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. No. One is 'new' for fleeing. No 're' about it. Question was 'should he be put on trial'. Yes. nt |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. QUESTION: Is there even a trial for fleeing? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. There you got me. nt |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. He should be jailed for what he's alreadly pled guilty to and put on trial for fleeing |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
37. No. He already was, and plead guilty. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. and he has already served all the time called for in the original plea deal. |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The plea deal wasn't accepted. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
39. No, no need. He pled guilty. Well, I guess if you mean for fleeing justice. |
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