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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:35 PM Original message |
Obama has screwed the pooch by leaving HCR almost entirely to the Senate.... |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. well said. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Thought it was odd that he ran on this issue but came in without any plan of his own. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think he did exactly what he wanted to do. He's a corporatist. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I have a feeling that you're correct. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. I hated it when Obama referred to "personal responsibility" in his speech to school kids. |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. I, personally, do not know what is in his heart. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. he also *said* he'd close gitmo by Jan. he also *said* he was a "fierce advocate" for gay rights. |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. We all want things done yesterday, but that is not reality in DC. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. oh come onnnnnnnnn..he made a deal with the devil.;.and the facts are hidden in the deal! |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. And you KNOW this, how???? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I think it's an easy conclusion. The people in charge of "reform" are bought & paid for by big |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I think I will reserve my final judgement until we have a final bill. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. It will be too late then. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. 50 years of watching the same bullshit over and over and over and over again.. |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Until we get corporate money out of campaigns, we will always have corporate input |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. just try..you waste your life fighting it..I have already wasted too much of my time and big money |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. The only way to stop those bastards is to go all French on their asses but everyone is too afraid |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. He said he was willing to stake his presidency on health care reform |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. well that looks like it'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy if there's no public option. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Yeah, if you're going to stake your job on something, |
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jeffbr (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. Sadly my suspicion has been confirmed - AGAIN |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Politicians are for politicians. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
57. people thought he would be different |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Politicians say wanted they want |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I agree |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
56. +1!!!!!!!!!!!!! eom |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. "Rock Stars" usually are. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. You're assuming he actually wants real reform |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. "smartest guy in recent memory" . . . hmmmm - at least back to the election of 2000 |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
11. And the anti-Obama people dance their jig. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. the only people dancing are the insurance companies and the senators they've bought and paid for. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It alright - I know you people have been patiently praying for something like this.... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. And "you people" have been consistently denying that this day was coming |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. "this day" isn't even here. 4/5 of the committee bills have a P.O. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Do any of them have a *real* public option? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Well.. read the senate HELP bill... it has what you want |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. The HELP bill is a perfect example of what I'm talking about |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
13. "Ignore what they say, watch what they do." n/t |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. Let's do the math. Obama approval rating : 60-something %. Congress approval rating : around 10%. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. "Chill the fuck out everyone...Congress has got this" |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
17. why would he fight for Public Option when he sold us out with deals with the big boys? |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yep |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. wait to see how angry people finally get that have decent insurance when they get the fucking that |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. History is not yet written. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's worse than that. He ran around all summer |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. oh it makes all the sense..this is exactly what his agenda was from the get go..the only thing was |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I've got your back on every word of yr post. n/t |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. and i have yours !! I am sick of this shit..another "TABLE " THAT WON'T GET SET!! |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. I've got your back too and am so glad that both you & truedelphi and a few others are still here |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. back at'cha earth mom!! I came here because of truth..sorry to say i see little of it here today! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Hi Earth mom. Yes big group hug for us-um's |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
63. TD-I've got your back & am so glad that both you, flyarm & a few others are still speaking truth |
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WeekendWarrior (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
29. I'm Predicting |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Well, Carper and Nelson did switch. It's progress. nt |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
30. How Does President Obama Constitutionally Get Around Approval By The Senate? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. The OP wishes to blame Obama for not usurping the Constitution (like Bush did/would) |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. There's this concept called "leadership" that I believe is permitted under our Constitution |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. When the final bill on Obama's desk *HAS* a P.O. in it, please resurrect this thread |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It may have something they call a Public Option, but it will be neither Public nor an Option |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Whether that is true or not has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with today's committee vote |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Here's how we're further away |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Thank you. We have a long way to go to a final bill. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. Very well said. Thank you |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
50. Yeah, we should have elected the other guy instead |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. That argument doesn't cut it anymore. Neither does "the ninja" or "chess master." |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
54. What do you mean 'left it to the senate'? |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Cmon |
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GCP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
66. Heartily agree |
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