PFOX: Hate Crimes Laws Are "Anti-Ex-Gay"

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Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays are opposing the Matthew Shepard Act, a honking contradiction since they wildly celebrated their recent inclusion in Washington DC's list of sexual orientation protections. But no one ever accused the "ex-gays" of making sense.

Washington City Paper's Amanda Hess:
Let’s try to pick that one apart, shall we? According to PFOX, hate crime laws protecting gays and lesbians themselves constitute hate crimes against ex-gays. Because if you tell people that they can’t beat up people because they’re gay, you discriminate against the people who beat up gay people because they are gay! It is you who are committing the “anti-ex-gay hate crime,” because if people aren’t allowed to hate gay people, how will PFOX ever find any ex-gay people? Shame on you all!

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Teh stoopid makes my head hurt.

[TommyO]

1. Of course, they're lying when they say that expanding hate crimes protects gays and lesbians

It adds sexual orientation as a factor, not gays and lesbians, even confused, self-loathing "ex-gays" have a sexual orientation.

[Deep13]

2. Welcome to idiotville.

Let's suppose there really are ex-gays. Why wouldn't they want protection from violence for those who are still in the situation they used to be in. The "ex-gays" really ought to have some empathy since they have been through this themselves.

[el_bryanto]

3. Is it possible to disagree with out enemies without just making shit up about them

The actual argument is this --> <i>I have asked and it is clear that any religious leader who teaches or preaches that homosexuality is wrong and harmful to society can be charged if someone hears them and in their own mind is induced to commit a crime. It doesn’t matter if the charge holds up in court or not – the threat of prosecution will force leaders to alter their teaching over time.</i>

Now you might disagree with that argument (I do) but that is the argument - not that bullshit about being allowed to pound on Gays up there.

This is the same kind of bullshit as people who say "Muslim's hate us for our freedoms."

Bryant

[Toasterlad]

5. That Is Bullshit.

Religious leaders are free to spread all the hate they like. The Matthew Shepard Act wouldn't change that. It's just another bullshit lie perpetuated by the anti-gay assholes.

[el_bryanto]

6. Yes but do they believe that? Or are they cynically pretending to believe it so they can keep

beating up gays?

[Toasterlad]

4. There's No Such Thing As An Ex-Gay.

Breaking and Entering laws are discriminatory to Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Should we abolish them, too?

[FiveGoodMen]

7. VERY well put!