Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why do you belong to a political Party??

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:19 AM
Original message
Why do you belong to a political Party??
What is your agenda?

Do you belong to the Party just to be "one of the team"? Is it all just a game to see who can get to "60" first?

Or do you expect those that you vote for to do something for you? You expect a return on your investment, your vote? How do you feel when that doesn't happen?

Do you expect the person you vote for to stand up for certain principles ingrained within the Party structure, ie, labor issues and issues that help the lives of common people, such as Social Security and Medicare?

What should you do when you feel that your vote and trust have been betrayed? Should you leave the team? Or should you kick the person off the team that you feel betrayed your trust? Otherwise, why belong to a political Party at all?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:21 AM
Response to Original message
1. I want to see some motherfucking primary challenges in 2010.
Some motivational hangings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #1
21. and in 2012
if Mr. Obama delivers as little as he seems to so far
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:23 AM
Response to Original message
2. a political party is a coalition of people who are willing to work together
to try to get common goals passed, even if they disagree in other areas. Being an old party, the Democrats have always been a pretty diverse party, and even when they piss me off by not doing X or Y the fact that the alternative - giving up A-W by letting their opposition win because I got pissed off - does me no good at all.

Most Democrats have many issues that may align with many other Democrats and many which don't. I know more than a few pro-gun Democrats, and even a couple of pro-choice Republicans. Things are seldom black and white in real life.

But the point of belonging to such a party which may be at odds with some personal beliefs is because there is power in numbers. Quid pro quo, and all that shit. I'll support you for X if you support me for Y.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:23 AM
Response to Original message
3. I've been an Indie for 10 yrs, although support local Dems who are progressive
"America has one political party with two right wings." ~ Gore Vidal
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Me, too. Unaffiliated since I first registered in 1976.
You can support liberal causes and politicians without 'belonging' to any party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #5
17. but can you vote in primaries?
If you cannot, then how can you help the more progressive Democrat become the candidate in the general election?

Some states do have open primaries, which I don't care for either (because for one thing, it allows Republicans or conservatives to cross over and vote for the more conservative Democrat) but otherwise, how can you vote in primaries?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #17
23. Well, as you said - it depends on where I am living.
If I feel a particular candidate needed primary 'help' (which isn't always true, sometimes they're 'safe') I will change my affiliation for the primary and then change it back.

For many years, in Colorado, I could do that at the polling station - literally. Fill out a card, vote, and fill out another card to go back to unaffiliated before I left. I don't live there anymore and I suspect it's changed to make it more difficult to do that. Where I live now (Nevada) it is a more complicated process and requires advance action. Still, I do it when necessary . . . though I may not after this last election cycle since they switched to caucusing, which I absolutely despise. My vote is my business and should not be subject to either group-think or coercion.

I choose to remain unaffiliated because I disagree - fundamentally - with the de facto American two-party system; I prefer parliamentary systems that encourage multiple parties and open, active coalition building (and yes, I understand that there are still majorities in those systems). Call it a small, very private protest.
It also annoys me a great deal when registered Democrats question my 'loyalty' to liberal/progressive causes simply because I choose not to officially join the club . . . that is precisely why I dislike the two-party system. It creates a false dichotomy - "yer either wi' us or agin' us".

Does that answer your question? :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. that seems like a lot of trouble to go to
just to avoid a party registration. I have only been to one caucus, there wasn't any coercion that I could see, and it was nice to meet other Edwards supporters, although I wish there had been more of us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. You're entitled to feel that way.
I don't.

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:26 AM
Response to Original message
4. This is a good question. For me Association with an organization that I
share principles (realizing that some in the organization don't always live up to the same), and An expression of "who I'm fer".

re: betrayal- I'm a kick 'em out type, and my little tool now is ActBlue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:27 AM
Response to Original message
6. I've always been a "lesser of two evils" Democrat and have no problem voting 3rd party.
Which I have done in the past and will undoubtedly do again. I've given up the nose-holding "not as bad" ritual that the party bosses count on progressives to perform.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:31 AM
Response to Original message
7. Primaries and that's the only reason
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
8. I used to think...
that the Democrats and myself were on the same page on health care. Now? I'm confused. Maybe become an Independent voter. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:13 AM
Original message
ohhhhhh noooooo
shut up yo mouf - this is a Dem blog! :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:39 AM
Response to Original message
9. So I can go to the state convention, which is always a blast. Also, because I like to bring my
concerns and preferences to an organization I generally support. When it does stuff I don't agree with, I am comforted by the fact that I never give the party money, only candidates. When my reps do something I don't agree with, I write them a letter. I have never felt betrayed enough to actively work against someone in my own party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:39 AM
Response to Original message
10. a political party is the machine i use to
work toward the ideas and ideals that i want to see enacted for the good of the country.

if the political party consistently represents a machine that doesn't do that -- then it's of no use to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:40 AM
Response to Original message
11. i don't.
in illinois, we register to vote, but we're not required to declare a party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:40 AM
Response to Original message
12. I really have no idea anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:41 AM
Response to Original message
13. I expect the person I vote for to represent ME
Not the party and not others in a different area and if they don't represent MY views, I work as hard as I can to replace them with somebody who will.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:42 AM
Response to Original message
14. because it's the only way I'm allowed to vote
and why I've always been an Independent. Unfortunately, for all of my eligible to vote life there hasn't been a party that represents me.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:42 AM
Response to Original message
15. I belong to a party so I can vote in primaries, if there are primaries
just because somebody is defeated in a primary does not mean they are 'kicked off the team' even if they are an incumbent.

On another note, I am tired of the incumbentocracy. In this theoretical government of, by and for the people, government is supposed to be made up of ordinary people. Farmers, blacksmiths, truckers, cashiers, teachers, comedians, and so on who run for office, serve a few terms and then go back to what they used to do. This business of people who make a 'career' out of 'public service' and are seemingly in 'their' seats until they die (or a miracle occurs and an incumbent is actually beaten (but then they just get a highly paid consulting or speaking or government job in DC) seems wrong to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
16. I don't belong to any party, although
I've always voted for Democrats. When I vote, I choose the person who can best represent me and the issues I care about. I do care if an elected official votes with the Party on critical issues such as health care. If an official consistently votes to undermine the objectives of the Democratic Party, I either vote against them or don't vote at all in that race.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:50 AM
Response to Original message
18. simple, so I can vote in the primaries for progressives
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 10:50 AM by G_j
who always lose
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:56 AM
Response to Original message
19. Do you think it makes any difference what you say here on DU?
Or do you feel that your opinion is totally worthless?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. It's just a discussion board.
Sometimes I say something of worth, most of the time it's just talk.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:13 AM
Response to Original message
22. I'm a Democrat because the alternatives are all worse.
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 11:15 AM by TexasObserver
Been that way a long, long time. Always the same. Always undercut by our Sell-outs on the right. That's our party. It sucks less.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:24 AM
Response to Original message
24. I do not belong to any organized political party.
I am a Democrat. :P
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:32 AM
Response to Original message
25. dts..
decline to state on my reg card.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 05:37 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC