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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:41 PM
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Armageddon American Style?
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 01:30 PM by Cyrano
No, I’m not talking about the biblical Armageddon with plagues, a 666 tattoo on some mythical evil bastard, four really bad dudes on horses, or the other 10-tons of dogmatic crap that’s supposed to signal the end of the world.

I’m talking about the end of the world that can be brought about by an American president. Does anyone on DU believe that Bush/Cheney wouldn’t have launched nuclear warheads against North Korea, or Iran (or you name it) if the right opportunity had presented itself?

Fortunately, that didn’t happen. But what if the Republicans regain control of the White House in 2012? Sound impossible? Perhaps. But the Democratic Party seems to be doing everything in its power to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and ensure their own loss of power.

So let’s look at a worst-case scenario. We Dems have had it with our party in 2012, many of us stay home and don’t vote, and the Republicans are again in a position to win or steal the White House. Who ends up as president?

As insane as it sounds, what if it’s John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, a senile John McCain, or one of the other lunatics the Republican Party has produced in recent years? Can anyone say with certainty that this country wouldn’t actually put any of them in the White House? Not to mention Sarah Palin, or Michele Bachman? Many will say that these are just paranoid nightmares. But remember, this is a country that allowed Ronald Reagan to inhabit the White House – twice. And let George W. Bush occupy it – twice.

So what if one of the above mentioned nuts actually ended up in the White House? I don’t know about you, but knowing that any of them had control of our nuclear arsenal, I’d want to move to a different planet.

Can someone convince me this could never happen?
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:48 PM
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1. Since we've done nothing to punish the Bush/Cheney crowd
for their crimes during the last 8 years we've ensured that history will repeat itself. Maybe not with a bimbo like Palin or someone like Romney, but the opportunity could very well present itself down the road.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:40 PM
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14. I believe that some day, we're going to pay a huge price for not prosecuting
Bush/Cheney & Co.

Nobody was prosecuted for Reagan's Iran/Contra crimes and we ended up with the same criminals back in office -- Cheney being the most prominent criminal of all.

And the crimes committed during that era were nothing compared to what happened during the George Jr. years.

Just imagine what the next Republican administration will get away with seeing that nobody was held responsible for (or even charged with) war crimes or crimes against humanity.

There is no reason that the next Republican president, (or even some Democratic prick), would have reason to fear that they couldn't get away with anything -- as in ANYTHING.

If/When this comes about, I don't really want to be in this country or even on this planet.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:50 PM
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2. 2012 is a long way away
Let's get through 2010 after the Christmas season is a bust and the retail sector and commercial real estate sector blows up.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:15 PM
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3. If a public health care option doesn't come about,
I believe that many Dems will fold their tents and drift off into some future fog of uncertainty.

As for me, I will drop out, get stoned, and stay that way as long as possible.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:20 PM
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4. That will be interesting
They are stepping up the fight for it. We shall see what the 14 Dinos do.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:25 PM
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5. Oh how I agree with you. I think this Christmas season will be worse
than corporations can even dream. When you are just struggling from week to week, if any thing is "left over" it must go to , fix the car, pay heating bills, food,etc. I was always a big spender at christmas, but this year will be way different.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:29 PM
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6. I find it almost laughable how they are all pumping up the economy
Right before the Christmas season.

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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:39 PM
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7. If it weren`t for a jobless economy we`d be just fine.
When bush said that (paraphrasing), we were switching to a service economy I knew then that it was going to be very, VERY bad for all of us who would be switching to "service".
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:41 PM
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8. I was talking to a Toomey supporter today
and they tried to sell me on that Bill Clinton created the housing bubble. I looked at them and said, I'm sorry I remember George W. Bush's ownership society speech...they got real quiet.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:21 PM
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13. Sorry, don't know who Toomey is. Congressman? Local pol?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:46 PM
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9. You reminded me of last week's Supernatural.
It's a TV show about... well at this point, Armageddon... anyway in this episode we saw a version of the future in which this headline appeared: "President Palin Defends Bombing of Houston." Heh.

OK so anyway... no, I can't convince you that would never happen. Sorry.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:46 PM
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10. I don't believe that Bush/Cheney had any designs on nuclear warfare.
North Korea showed that the way to get the neocons to back down is to build nukes.

Neocons don't really want to destroy everything--they just want to own it.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:24 PM
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12. I can't disagree with you. They really do want to own everything.
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 02:30 PM by Cyrano
However, people like Bush, Cheney and their henchmen were never playing with a full deck. I really believe that people like them would have "pushed the button" if they thought it was to their financial or political advantage. And I really doubt if they would have thought of or cared about what happened next. Greed and power do not equal thoughtfulness.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:47 PM
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11. I'm far more concerned over a false flag nuke/chem or bio agent now than during Bushco
Mainly b/c those same shadowy interests still hold an incredible amount of sway over what's happening, and they realize a significant portion will join in the collective, advantageous denial if the U.S. were to be "attacked" again. They'd be able to more overtly implement the police state infrastructure now in place, and within such an emotionally/psychologically volatile climate would have little trouble using the M$M to drum up enough support to claim the 'majority' is behind attacking whichever group/country that the false flag was intended to bolster support against.
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