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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:16 PM
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Pro Reform Forces Divided Over Whether To Pressure Dems On Health Care
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Pro Reform Forces Divided Over Whether To Pressure Dems On Health Care


It’s a sub-plot that’s gone under-reported: There’s a real split developing among the pro-health care reform forces over whether — and how aggressively — to target fellow Democrats who are refusing to back a public option or who are wavering on other core principles of reform.

That tension flared into the open just now, with blogger Jane Hamsher, a leader of the get-tough-with-Dems camp, taking an open shot at the huge reform group Health Care for America Now, which has largely refrained from targeting fellow Dems.

On one side of this divide are the big DC power liberal groups, such as HCAN, which have generally heeded the request of White House advisers like Rahm Emanuel, who reportedly told liberal leaders that friendly fire is “f**ing stupid.” On the other side: Bloggers like Hamsher and Markos Moulitsas, as well as scrappier groups like MoveOn and Democracy for America, which are defying the White House and running ads against key centrist Dems.

Today HCAN went up with a new ad targeting GOP Senator John Ensign over his ethics woes and his penchant for insurance money.

The get-tough-with-Dems camp doesn’t understand why the big groups are spending resources attacking Repblicans who are never going to support any version of reform, and say centrist Dems are the main obstructionists. Moulitsas recently accused such groups of “playing nice with the White House” rather than squander a chance to attend the “next White House cocktail party.”

Hamsher, for her part, today blasted HCAN’s ad as a “complete waste of money,” and demanded to know why HCAN wouldn’t join efforts to aggressively target Dems and keep them in line. HCAN declined comment.


In a very general sense, this emerging schism reflects one that’s been around since at least 2004, when Howard Dean and his following went to war over more cautious, centrist, Betway Dems over the party’s response to the rising unpopularity of Bush and the Iraq War. These tensions could worsen in the days and weeks ahead — unless Dem Congressional leaders figure out a way of reaching consensus around a public option that’s acceptable to all parties.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:27 PM
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1. The centrists seem to be winning. We are still at war and now
the public option is up in the air.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:30 PM
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2. sadly, that is true.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:31 PM
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3. Not according to Schumer...
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 01:42 PM by babylonsister
Sen. Schumer says centrists are 'very open' to public option
By Michael O'Brien - 10/05/09 08:27 AM ET

Centrist Democrats are "very open" to including a public option in health legislation before the Senate, an ardent supporter said Monday.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who has been at the forefront of the Senate battle to include the controversial government-run plan for consumers, said there are between 54 and 56 votes in the Senate in favor of the provision, with several more votes able to be won.

"Here's how you have to look at it: The overwhelming majority of Democrats in the Senate are for it," Schumer said this morning during an appearance on MSNBC. "I'm talking to some of the moderates, and they're very open to it."

more...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/61579-schumer-says-centrists-very-open-to-public-option
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:32 PM
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4. Pressure them....by all means. Get them to put the public option in
and let Rs fight to get it out later, just like they did with Medicare and Social Security.

Hell yes, pressure them.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:53 PM
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5. +100,000,000,000 :-)
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:11 PM
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7. and a brazillion more
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:55 PM
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6. They should pressure them because they are going to take the collective blame for crappy reform
Many will blame them all indiscriminately.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:38 PM
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8. Hmm, I'm undecided: should we pressure blue dogs to support what we need, or ...
should we just wait quietly while they fuck us over?

Oh my, I somehow just can't make up my mind.

;-)
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:52 PM
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9. How about we pressure blue dogs to support what we need, AND we run real progressives against them
in the primaries? Let the DLC and Blue Cross dogs run as Publicans if that is how they want to vote.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:03 PM
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10. Screw HCAN!
If it hadn't been for Hamsher and others, the public option would be gone completely.
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