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Hannahcares Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 11:48 PM
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electronic voting machines could influence 2010 elections
The GOP claims of recapturing the House in 2010 may prove true unless some version of verified voting/paper ballots/election audits is in place in time for the congressional elections. I have worked in this arena since the Greens challenged the outcome of Ohio in 2004...Having visited County Election Boards in several states, I was astounded at how much "tally software" is provided by the voting machine vendors and "accepted" by the County officials without any verification of accuracy; protection from hacking,etc. Have we been lulled into complacency by the wonderful 2008 election outcome? With ES &S slated to control much of the software and hardware used for elections, what can be done NOW to prevent votes from being stolen, "flipped" and other "tricks of the trade"...I still remember waking up to find that Sonny Perdue had won the GA. governors election, despite being well behind in the latest polls
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:16 AM
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1. Don't expect the DNC to give a shit about this as long as a DLC'er is running the show.
The DLC has turned a blind eye to electro-fraud at every opportunity. You want to know why? Look at the results of the last two New Hampshire primaries.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:52 AM
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2. The average American lives in la-la land.
If an American can't imagine how easily computer voting machines can be rigged without detection, he will never concede that it could happen.

Most Americans will do or say anything to deny that they were bamboozled, cheated, or taken advantage of.

This attitude helps explain why they claim to fear a government-run public option in health care while ignoring the huge premiums, large dedutibles, co-pays, and rationing of care by private insurance companies.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:33 AM
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4. +1 n/t
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:02 AM
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8. There are still those who would fight to the death in their belief that Bush was fairly "elected."
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:03 AM by Echo In Light
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:58 AM
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3. The GOP will cheat, we should all know this.
If any way can be found to cheat, they will. Crooks can only win by cheating.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:36 AM
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5. Been screaming about this for 5 years now. PAY ATTENTION people, please!

We are still fighting paperless electronic voting machines, insecure internet voting, ES&S merging with Diebold, electronic pollbooks, and more. Things are BAD and Democrats ignore this at their own peril. Just because Obama won does NOT meant that there are not problems with our elections.

Here are some things YOU can do:

Learn more:
http://www.VerifiedVoting.org

Become a fan:
http://bit.ly/2894FB

Do the Alerts:
http://www.change.org/actions/view/take_action_for_the_voter_confidence_and_increased_accessibility_act_in_the_us_house
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/1356/t/4968/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2916

Support this bill:
http://www.HR2894.org

Vote in Pennsylvania? Join us!
http://www.VotePA.us

Finally, SUPPORT THE ELECTION INTEGRITY ORGANIZATION OF YOUR CHOICE.
So many of these groups are hanging on and need both money and help to prepare for 2010.

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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:28 AM
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6. A million R's, not that it makes much difference.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:34 AM
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7. Hannah m'dear. This kind of "fell off the radar" after what was
really the biggest landslide in American history was recorded as just a "win".

Youi are right, of course.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:17 AM
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9. My biggest worry
This is it. You know they will do it again. The Dems will never again be in power if they don't address the cheating vote machines - and now!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:23 AM
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12. They'll require another False Flag in order to pull it off as effortlessly as they did before
"Effortlessly," largely due to mass denial of the obvious, which permitted both "elections" to stand w/o any public pressure whatsoever.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:10 AM
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10. Pass the Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act (Holt) NOW.
Warts and all, the Holt bill will do away with DREs in my state (and most likely yours) in favor of paper ballots (counted initially by opscan) and mandatory random manual audits. Short of hand-counted paper ballots, that is our best hope for more trustworthy elections in 2010.

Remember: the perfect is the enemy of the good. For goodness' sake, pass Holt.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:21 AM
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11. Ahhh...Right On Time...Gloom & Doom On Your Sunday
Actually I've seen more of this griping on right wing sites as of late. When your side wins, the elections are always fair and when your side loses, then there surely has to be some fraud involved.

The GOOPs pipe dream of recapturing the House and/or Senate won't happen due to frauduelent voting...too many elections in too many places. To steal an election, it has to be pinpointed and targeted...such as Ohio in '04. This works far better on a national level where a close election can be contested on many different fronts.

Local elections are a different story...most are run by the local party in control. In most of these states...especially with ones with possible close elections, are under the control of Democrats. And as the infamous saying goes...it's not who votes, but who counts the votes.

It's not as though there isn't fraud or Democrats need not be concerned...on the contrary, we've seen in the past two elections how the party has made strong showings in critical races to prevent any chance of an election being stolen.

Here's the bottom line...for the GOOP to recoop control, they'd need to pick up 11 Senate seats but most of the GOOP has more to protect than to go after. They'd have to pick up seats in solid blue states like California, Illinois, Massetchusetts...highly unlikely. The road in the house is even tougher as they'd need a pick-up of 60 seats.

That said, Democrats will be hardpressed to make many gains next year as many of the rushpublican seats are in the deepest red areas. The GOOP may pick up a couple seats next year, but any gains will be modest. A lot depends on how successful President Obama is in passing healthcare and how unhinged the rushpublicans remain.
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