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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:03 AM
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is the dollar unstabel ? big warning from the uk ... will the dollar collaps
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:05 AM by jacko_be
The letter W is back on some agendas, and sending tremors through the business community — especially as it seems to be displacing V in the discourse of economy-watchers.

Recall, the alphabet has been put to the service of economists. A V recovery is one in which a sharp drop is followed by an equally sharp rebound. A U is a drop followed by a period in which the economy bumps along the bottom, and then recovers. An L is worse: a precipitous drop, followed by a long period of stagnation. And the dreaded W is worst of all. The economy plunges, then recovers, luring investors into the market and businessmen into new investments, only to drop again before a final recovery, with substantial losses for the prematurely optimistic.

The optimism engendered by soaring share prices in the quarter just ended came to a screeching halt when the Department of Labor issued a jobs report so grim that the Lindsey Group consultancy warned its clients not to read it “without a bottle of Prozac handy”. Shortly thereafter Ben Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, told a congressional committee that even if the economy grows at a 3% annual rate, the unemployment rate would remain above 9% by the end of 2010. In the view of some observers, he is being optimistic.

A spate of bad news followed. Factory orders down year-on-year by some 20%;

a mortgage market functioning only because the government is guaranteeing about 80% of loans written; consumer credit so tight that it is falling at the fastest rate since the crisis began two years ago, and credit increasingly unavailable to small businesses; Treasury secretary Tim Geithner forced to be economical with the truth, lest the dollar collapse, and proclaim that a strong dollar is “very important to this country”; Goldman Sachs predicting that high unemployment will drive down wages and purchasing power.

And that’s only in the short term. Longer term, the position of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency is under threat; America is leading the way towards growth-stifling protectionism; and economic and political power is passing from America to China, India and other emerging nations. Americans are being told to become accustomed to a sharply reduced role in the world.

It all adds up to a W. Or does it? Not certainly. For one thing, the service sector, which accounts for about 80% of American economic activity, has moved into growth territory. The Institute for Supply Management’s index of non-manufacturing activity has passed the 50 mark, meaning that the sector is growing for the first time this year — not by a lot, but growing nevertheless. So is the manufacturing sector, with an index above 50 for the second consecutive month. Equally important, the growth is occurring in 13 of the 18 manufacturing industries covered by the ISM survey.

For another, orders for business equipment are picking up, perhaps because businesses see signs that demand is picking up, and have cash to spend. Business Week reports that non-financial companies have surplus cash flow of $156 billion, “a surfeit that allows companies to finance all of their current outlays for equipment and construction without borrowing”. With the exception of one year, “that is the largest surplus on record”.

Then there is housing. Prices are up, as is the index of pending sales (not yet completed), the latter for the seventh consecutive month. Consumer spending is showing a bit of life, even excluding the temporary jump in car sales arising from the cash-for-clunkers programme that doled out $4,500 of taxpayer money to anyone trading in a gas guzzler for a more fuel-efficient car.

Add to this an easing of credit markets. The default rate of speculative-grade companies has dropped for the first time this year and the premium that riskier corporate borrowers have to pay over safer US Treasuries has fallen by half. “Even cash-strapped companies have been able to refinance,” reports the Financial Times.

Perhaps most important of all is the inventory picture because it is a forerunner of economic activity and the indicator most watched by White House economists. Many companies have so reduced their stocks of materials and goods that they have no choice but to restock. Whether this trend will prove durable, setting off a restocking boom, is difficult to say. Some businessmen tell me it is. Others — these are in the W camp — say it isn’t. In Britain, for example, the Tesco boss Sir Terry Leahy says: “We are past the low point. Things are getting better.” Marks & Spencer’s Sir Stuart Rose doesn’t think so. Nor does America’s Jeff Immelt, chief executive of GE and a W man to his core.

Unfortunately, even if things are improving — and I prefer V for victory to W for worry — the fundamental cause of recent financial problems remains unaddressed. Low interest rates fuelled unsustainable debt. Those low rates were the result of China’s need to make money from the pile of dollars it earns from its exports. It did this by buying Treasury IOUs, keeping their price up and their rates down. China’s exports, in turn, were fuelled by its undervalued currency. That policy remains unchanged. So do trade imbalances. Which means the dollar probably has further to fall if imports to America are to become more expensive, and exports of American products more competitive.

There is no indication that the administration finds a dollar decline undesirable, if it is gradual, despite Geithner’s strong-dollar statement. It is the possibility of a dollar collapse that worries some at the White House. The same fear among investors has triggered a flight to gold. Such a development would force up interest rates, aborting the recovery. Obama has no desire to face the electorate in 2012 with high inflation and interest rates soaring, a real possibility if he adds to the downward pressure on the dollar by increasing the red ink already pouring over the nation’s ledgers, as frightened congressional Democrats are demanding.

Irwin Stelzer is a business adviser and director of economic policy studies at the Hudson Institute

from the sunday time
october 11/2009

I didn't put this here to piss you off
i just found it reading the news
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article6869385.ece
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:10 AM
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1. "Smirk, Republiconomics. Smirk." - xCommander aWol Bush (R)
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:11 AM by SpiralHawk
"Shock & awe, baby. Smirk." - xCommander aWol Bush (R)

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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:13 AM
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this comes from the uk .. they don't give a shit about democrats or smirks
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:31 AM by jacko_be
try to read it before posing an ignorant opinion
I'm sorry sir
i had to check first wat it mend
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:17 AM
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4. I think you misunderstood the post.
Try again.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:20 AM
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6. yes
eh sorry, di not really know what it meant but
i taught he was calling me a rush lover
still not good in smirks feeks and nm and nt
what dit it mean sorry ...
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:21 AM
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19. Busy busy busy.....
for someone who doesn't understand much.

:shrug:
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:08 PM
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84. WTF??? Do you need help?
Bizarre.....
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:46 AM
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12. +1 n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:25 AM
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28. Republiconomics has wreaked havoc across the planet
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 08:29 AM by SpiralHawk
Republiconism and Republiconomics are ways of thinking and acting. They are sicknesses of the mind and soul, and respect no international boundaries.

I'm sorry for the narrow limits of your comprehension. Try cogitating before posting a below-grade gut-bellow response to wit that Republicon Mindf*ck Propaganda has -- apparently -- rendered you incapable of comprehending.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:13 AM
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2. My crystal ball is cloudy but it does show one thing 100%
...and that is if there is a retrenchment from this incipient recovery, all the Cassandras (I hate calling them that because technically Cassandra was cursed to predict CORRECT doom, not just kneejerk doom, but Chicken Little is overused and I can't think of a better term for the non-stop woe is me whinging fraternity who believe every dip of the Dow and blip on the currency markets spells an inevitable return to medieval society) on DU will to a soul forget that a W ends with a "/".
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:34 PM
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101. It has to be a W?
It can't be a VL?
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:35 PM
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103. still is better than a M n/t
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:14 AM
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3. The financial markets all over the world will be affected
if the dollar collapses. Other countries can monkey around with the currency as some are doing, but they are inviting disaster.

The US will do all it can to keep it stable. However, if outside forces do too much adjusting of the system too fast then they will get what they deserve.

We may be on the frontline of the disaster, but they will not escape it's affects. When something happens in the US, the markets all over the world react.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:17 AM
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5. yes, that is why they want to change to dollars position on the oil price
and change it in something other between china russia and france ...
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:22 AM
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7. They can change all they want if they can.
However, if by doing their adjustments they destabilize the dollar, it won't matter if oil prices are then tied to beads and shiney objects.

They will create a financial wave around the world that will cause havoc. The world is now an interconnected financial system. If you kick the US, some other countries will say ouch.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:25 AM
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8. not really sur, i think if somebody kicks the usa
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:33 AM by jacko_be
most countries will cheer ...
usa has a big monopoly and china is eager
and the euro seams to be much stronger than the dollar ...
and china is again producing look at their raw materials import
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:38 AM
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9. Hey jacko_be
no offense, but if you are going to be calling folks here "ignorant" and such..You might at least learn to spell some simple words like "sir"..and "think":eyes:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:41 AM
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10. yes i know
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:44 AM by jacko_be
I was wrong and i know it
I think wen is say sorry once
it should be enough don't you ?
and still learning my english
I do pay attention, but sometimes i mis it
sur = i meant shur ( i know you say it like that but i don't know how to spell it)
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:03 AM
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16. jacko_be
"I think wen is say sorry once
it should be enough don't you" ?

Yes..If you can be understood!

Just a suggestion, Jack, but you might want to save your more acerbic observations about America for a time when your language skills improve...

Consider how an American "opinions" would be received were they to be delivered in severely handicapped French or Flemish...I might be wrong, but I suspect they would be flamed mercilessly, if tolerated at all...Maybe you get my point.

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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:07 AM
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17. we mostly care more of what people say than te way it is spelled... and
if you are polite... no one, will judge you for something you believe in
and this is not an acerbic observation
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:50 AM
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32. +1
:thumbsup:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:01 AM
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33. what do you mean miss ?
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #17
36. I don't know who this "we" is, Jacko...but you appear to be
annoying more here than just me.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:29 AM
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40. well if you prefer to be lied to, i think you can ask RusH he will explain everything
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:50 AM
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56. Oh Please
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 12:01 PM by whathehell
Don't tell me you're so foolish as to believe that, without you we have but ONE other source of information here..that you believe you are our ONLY alternative to Rush?.....Hello?!

Jeebus, jacko, When it comes to the US, you clearly need to be familiarized with MORE than just the language!:crazy:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:54 AM
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57. no my dear, I am not the source the UK newspaper is
I just put it on ... and the reason why i am here is because i just
want to famaliaze more with, a friendly nation
however i start to understand why you can by a gun in a wal-mart
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. let's say i never have been there
and the reason is i don't like people screaning my ass
I think you understand
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:11 PM
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70. I'm not sure you would
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 01:20 PM by whathehell
have your ass "screaned"...at least not if it's not carrying illegal substances in it.

My point is that your lack of knowledge about this country tends to make me think you've never been here, and so I'm wondering how you justify being so opinionated about America..It makes you seem as if your arrogance is inverse proportion to your knowledge.

That being said, you might consider the old Chinese proverb..You know, the one about "doubt" and the open and closed mouth"?:eyes:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:40 PM
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75. I never realized that : a chinese proverb is in english
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:30 PM
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88. No....
I don't think you've realized a lot of things:rofl:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:38 PM
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105. yeah, well, you should both just stop it
you surely understand, jacko, with the long history of graciousness between Belgians, the wonderful little boxes of chocolates and/or the beautiful flowers that are part of any visit from one person's house to another's that it isn't always the best idea to meet people and immediately start to question their taste in houses or clothes or whatever else.

right?

at the same time, this other person shouldn't attack someone who has come to his "home" because of the other person's spelling of another language.

the point of all of this, really, is that ALL OF US, in Europe and in the U.S. and everywhere else, for that matter, live in an uncertain and unstable time.

this can make people more likely to jump to anger.

there are other ways to talk to one another.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:41 PM
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107. it's right this wasn't how a gentleman should behave i got carried away
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:49 PM
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109. Did you bother
reading the DU rules before you came on here?

It seems not, as you are hurling insults at me "an ass..a monkey"..etc, and such practices will get your posts DELETED.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. yes i did read them
and i'm sorry that i used them
i will chose my words more careful next time
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:11 PM
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61. Well, den my dear..perhaps you want to speak with UK
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 12:13 PM by whathehell
or are they les tolerent than we are....despite walmart gun??

I for one am no longer interested in doing re-medial education with you..For those who are, you be my guest -- and good luck with the translating!
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:33 PM
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62. my dear, i know the uk , but i'm always interested in meeting new people and cultures
I can understand that you don't feel good with the fact
that somebody has a different opinion, or a different view
strange... accepting an learning to accept different idea's,
values and cultures ... seems democratic to me

yes it's really hard to understand me,
funny that you call yourself a hair of a dog
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:25 PM
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87. Oh my..
You really are NOT ready for prime time, are you?:rofl:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:16 PM
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95. prime time ? sorry i'm not a tv man ....
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:27 PM
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99. my ignorance of putting children in the basement
yes i know I'm a dumb fuck

but hey you didn't miss proved the rest that i said
good accepting is the hardest part
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:11 PM
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85. The more you post
the more apparently full of BS you become. Whats with the bad english shtick? Its very transparent.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:17 AM
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26. Ignore the spelling nazi's
The fact that all they have to slam you with is spelling says,to me anyway, that they are unable to argue the facts.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:46 AM
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30. that's a nice way to put it thx
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:02 AM
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38. No, Jacko...It's not at all "nice"
to call people "nazis", spelling or otherwise,.:eyes:..but it is supportive of you.

I understand your gratitude, and when your English word usage improves, you'll be able to communicate more effectively
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:33 AM
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50. in my belief even a german doesn't will not get offend by the word nazi annymore
nazisme= fachisme
it's just a polical idea
not the best one but
if you call an italian a fashist
he will just call you an idiot
my god it's 60 years ago
hell they destroyed allmost all of belgium (flanders fields)
and nobody get shoked annymore by the word nazi
and every countrey did some dumb shit
who gives a ......
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:47 AM
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31. that's a nice way to put it thx
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:56 AM
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37. I'm not "slamming him for spelling"


I'm suggesting that he improve his English so that we understand what he feels is so important for us to know!

P.S. I argue the facts very well, Thank you. If my posts says otherwise to you, it MAY be because, like some others here, you respond with knee-jerk awe to all things Euro.:eyes:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:35 AM
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41. no i don't think one american ever has to knee-jerk to the euro
and i will improve my english
bye the way i have my oral exam english
on Tuesday wish me good luck

I can't know what is important to you
but i do know what interests me and if
i want an opinion of somewhere els than my Little country
i just put it online
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:00 PM
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67. sure
peace and low stress my friend..
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. yes thx that's it
peace and love lol
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:43 AM
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11. You contend that most countries
WANT the U.S. and their people to be kicked? They want us to suffer? Well, hugs and good wishes to you too. :wtf:

(Mr./Ms. Belgian is beginning to lose his/her charm.)
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:47 AM
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13. there is no love in business
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:50 AM by jacko_be
business is business

most countries did suffer because of LB and the american
bank crisis... i don't judge but it came from america = it is a fact
and if you don't like it isn't my fault
look a guy with no job could get a lone of one million dollar
who is to blame then

and i don't want to do bad to you
this is just objective
and i am not a country
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. "Business is business."
Sounds like a good capitalist motto to me. And yet you are blaming the world's recession on America's raw capitalism. Sorry, bud, but you're kind of all over the board here. :shrug:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:56 AM
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15. what is wrong with capitalism
the whole west of the world is capitalist
people with money have more to say = is a fact
I didn't really get you're last sentence

look i put up a warning, i find in a uk newspaper
I didn't lie or something i just give my opinion
in a free world
if i am wrong please tell me,
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:14 AM
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18. My contention was with the following:
"not really sur, i think if somebody kicks the usa
most countries will cheer ...
usa has a big monopoly and china is eager
and the euro seams to be much stronger than the dollar ...
and china is again producing look at their raw materials import"


Your post was mean-spirited towards an entire country, seeming to dismiss the plight of it's people. And please note, America's strength has always been in the diversity of it's people. I wouldn't be counting us out JUST yet.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:21 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. no sir, you get me wrong
america is the biggest and the best
that's why some people would like to see it crumbled

i just make an observation, every one want to be the biggest

and people just want more always
and it isn't mean it is true look

if i say YES AMERICA IS THE BEST
then everybody says = hey dude you are Right

if i say the euro is @ the moment almost 50% stronger
then everybody says = you hate america

no i don't but i like economics and i really think i have a point
if i don't have a point you can just talk to me en say hey dude you are wrong
because nasdaq yesterday closed really high

if you don't agree with someone you have a discussion
you don't question his motives


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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #18
39. Thank you, Le Taz
:thumbsup:
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #18
45. I, for one, fail to see the mean spirit you purport to have found.
It seems that it was an opinion, and not even entirely his.

In truth, given our behavoir, our ego and hubris and our behavior overseas, there are many who would be justified in not liking America. Having lived overseas I can tell you that, in my expereience, that most do not hate American's, but rather the way our government, military and their corporate overlord have behaved for many decades.

This is reality, and not mean spirited.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #45
54. yes, i clearly put that it was the goverment not the people...
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #11
27. Unfortunately,yes,many do
We are not exactly loved around the world these days.It is human nature to hate those who oppress and kill for money as our country has done.
Especially when we are so hypocritical about it.
We may talk and act like freedom and democracy are what makes our country great but when it comes down to it it is obvious to the rest of the world that such talk is complete bullshit.Far to many nations have experienced the wrath of the corporate war machine when they try to actually be democracies or when they put their peoples welfare ahead of some corporations bottom line.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #27
35. What exactly does this have to do
with the average American who has virtually NO influence on our current government? Yes, I'm well aware of American crimes perpetrated by the American GOVERNMENT, but what does this have to do with wanting the American PEOPLE to suffer? That's just cruel, vindictive, and counterproductive. The wrath is turned toward the wrong enemy. The enemy are the multi-nationals, the populace, regardless of country, are the victims. Now is NOT the time to be divisive.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #35
43. what do you mean you have no influence on the government
i taught america was a democracy
so doesn't everybody has the right to do politics and
fight for there ideals ?


1 and all the rest of the world want to get rich ... and I do say
we don't give a flying **** if we hurt other people
and so do you
look 5000 km from were i live i know every hour 12 children
die because of no health or food or water
do you sleep less of this ? (it is africa you know)
and if you can bye a cheap stereo you can ask yourself
hey how is this possible so cheap, i love it
, but you don't think hey that is a stereo build by a chinese kid of 8


We don't have as much problems with multinationals
we have a law that counters monopoly
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #43
63. America is a democratic republic in that the citizens get to vote every couple of years
on who will represent us. Unfortunately the choices we are given are determined by those that would enslave the planet. Do you get the show "South Park"? There was an episode in which the kids get to vote for the school mascot and the choice is between a douche-bag and a turd sandwich, that is our "democracy".

As long as money rules the political process we will never be allowed a choice for change. We have the illusion of choice maintained by our owners.

George Carlin put it like this; "Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice . . . you don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying . . . lobbying, to get what they want . . . Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want . . . they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that . . . that doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers . . . Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it . . . they’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fuckin' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The Big Club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means . . . continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you . . . they don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care about you at all . . . at all . . . at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it..."



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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. and, wow, what, how , when
obama what is he?
You have owners= and who are they
but now they know don't they, you just put it here
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:17 PM
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72. Obama got the nomination after his speech at the 2004 convention.
The endless primary and the nomination process are just a show. The "choice" between Clinton and Obama was a forgone conclusion long before anybody announced their candidacy because the parasites that matter had already established that either of them would do as they were told. They both believe that it is right for the parasites to steal from and rule over the people.

Like the "debates" we endure every cycle, where nothing is debated and no answers are forthcoming, it is a circus to entertain us and put us back to sleep while they go about achieving their agenda.


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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #72
76. but how comes you know and no-one els
you have to admit that it is hard to believe
from my point of view
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:09 PM
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79. Many people knew this not just me, and quite a few wrote it here at that time.
I also have had the benefit of being born into a family that used to move and shake the Republik party (maybe some of them still do, we obviously have not spoken in many years). Because of these connections, I also grew up knowing that the "people that matter" are not Republik or Democrat so much as they are "them", as in them vs. us. They know each other, hang out together, refer each other, employ each other, and fight to keep each other in power.

Are you familiar with the business plot? It's an eerily familiar episode from 1933, you should http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_plot">read about it if you want a glimpse into how American politics really works and who some of the real players are. Also note how, just like today, the powerful protagonists (traitors by any definition) were never prosecuted and paid no penalty for their treason. The Congress swept the whole matter under the rug and the newspapers (owned by some of the plotters themselves) ridiculed and marginalized one of this nation's greatest heroes (two time Medal of Honor recipient, Gen. Butler) after he foiled the plot and the sheeple went back to sleep.

It is hard for Americans to believe since we hold onto this fundamental myth of exceptionalism, but since your nation has been a victim of this scenario before, I would think it would be easier for you. Since most of us have never even seen, let alone know, any of these people, it is easy to pretend that they are just like us but with lots of money. Nothing could be further from the truth.

They are parasites, they contribute nothing and exist solely by stealing from and killing millions of other people all over the planet, and while America has the most of them, they exist everywhere.


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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. what do you thin, has got to change to get a real democracy ?
but somewere somehow
somebody would like to end this no
because if people know this wy do they still pay taxes
wy not massive people protest
why do we nog thave books
stories
why is it that i hear only now that mr
barack obama is just a poppet on a string
so must have bin george bush

in our countrey we do have really important and rich people
and of course those peopels opinion ist mostely appriciated
because of there intelligence in matters of economics and socialism
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:47 PM
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81. The sad (IMO) fact is that most people (I'd guess 75% - 80%) really don't care.
They do not want to have to deal with the big questions, they don't want to know how many people were slaughtered and enslaved so that they could drive a Yukon. They don't want to know how many thousands of Hondurans or Ecuadorians were murdered so that United Fruit (now known as Chiquita) could plunder their natural resources. They don't want to know the real price of their lifestyle that millions of other people pay for them every day. Ignorance is, indeed, bliss. And they especially don't want to know that they receive a tiny fraction of their worth while toiling their lives away to make somebody else rich(er).

What people want is food, a place to live, lots of toys and entertainment, and to be left alone. Give them that (or even the illusion), and they will happily ignore everything else.

What will change this is when the facade crumbles (as it has started to) and more people are hurt than benefit. Unfortunately, the typical result of the change those events bring are even worse. For example, had France not been such assholes during negotiations at Versailles, Hitler would not have had that vast pool of anger to tap into and he would not have been able to attract the corporatists that gave him the finances to become the monster he did. He would have simply remained a fucked up failure that no one ever heard of.


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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #81
97. yes it is sad, but
you can understand it, risking to lose everything
if they have the support of the goverment it is
impossibel to change
but i do think that things will change so the
people will be happy and free
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #43
71. Don't be foolish..I didn't say I had NO influence
I said that I had LITTLE -- like most people -- democracy or not.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #35
46. American's, like all people, have the government they deserve.
As such, if one is to agree with Twain, then American's deserved Bush. If he did or did not steal the election, we did NOTHING.

If others hate us then perhaps we should change how we act.

But maybe you and the Bushies are right. If we hear something we disagree with then we should just shoot the messenger.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:22 AM
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49. That's absurd.
Not ALL Americans deserved Bush and his policies. Not ALL Americans supported him. MANY Americans did all they could humanly do to prevent a Bush presidency. Only a corrupt Supreme Court put him in office the first time and a weak Democratic candidate the second. I don't deserve the government I got and neither do MILLIONS of others who fought to prevent it. Broad brush accusations render the accuser impotent.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #49
64. Thanks again, Taz...It's interesting that when I hear people say
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 12:38 PM by whathehell
that people get "the government they deserve"...they are almost always Americans (of the self-flagellating type) speaking of America only.

Ask yourselves..Did Cambodia get the government it deserved?..Did Poland?..Did Argentina?.

I've been overseas several times and I've found an excellent way to deflect being put on the defensive about American politics.

Let me tell you about it...First, I ask them how much influence THEY have with their governments. The inevitable response is, "well, not much", etc. I then ask them why they believe I would have MORE...and they are stuck.

It's a sobering exchange that tends to settle things quickly. I recommend it.

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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #64
78. hairy dog you get better and better, now you call america a third world country
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #49
82. Perhaps a better phrase is that people get the government they allow to be imposed on them? n/t
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Sienna86 Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:24 AM
Response to Original message
21. What does it mean for us, as individuals, if
the dollar does collapse?
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. now i'm going to get killed
they say america's economy if you look at it as it was an image

it would look as a W

it falls really hard down but then it goes up again and then it falls down before it can climb up again

just the form of the letter W

this means watch out if you are planning to put you're money back on wall street
thats all
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. Could be
My dear friend, I (and my son, we invest together) put a whole bunch of money in the stock market last fall and winter and so far (as of friday) the return on that investment has been 107%. That's right, we have more than doubled our money so far this year. About six months ago we also started to put money into a fund that mimics the S&P 500, it is up roughly 30% since we began putting money in and in fact was up 4.5% last week alone.

So it might be a "W" but in fact there is money to be made if you simply pay attention to the market rather than what people are saying about the market.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #23
24. sir,
job well done i would say, and i hope in the future
luck and smart business sense will be at you're side
you can always make or lose money
this was a warning about america i found
i prefer asian funds and gold at the moment
but never te less, if the uk puts a warning on an other country
i would not take it to light, but now that you
have better figures then me i would say ... xxxxxx them

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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:17 AM
Response to Original message
25. Hi Arnaud, it seems you are using a translation dictionary, yes?
In English, 'ignorant' is an insult and considered rude. A better word would be 'mis-informed'. These are nuances of the language that take years to learn and can get you in trouble. :-)
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. yes i noticed that out when i look up onwetend it gives me ignorant thx
onwetend

on ......... wetend
=
means not knowing
= but it gave me
ignorant
i will use from this moment mis-informed

didn't know i was offending
somebody could have told sooner sorry
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #29
47. Allie is talking about the difference between ...
connotation and denotation, that is the literal definition and the emotional context.

Ignorant is considered to be an emotionally charged word in english because most American's are touchy because, let's face it, a large percentage of our population is ignorant. We revel in it, but at the same time we are embarrassed by it.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. yes sir,
but the word i used was more insulting then the word
mis-informed that i should have hurt
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #47
73. "We revel in it, but at the same time we are embarrassed by it."
..I think you need to speak for yourself, there, Wolf.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. Oh no, someone with an other opinion - shoot him hairy dog
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #77
86. No jacko...We don't shoot each other here for having a different opinion
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 04:32 PM by whathehell
..Otherwise I would have shot you long ago!

P.S. "Hair of the dog" is not a "name"..It's an expression whose meaning can be explained to you at some time much further down the road..At this point, you're still struggling with basics.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #86
98. ow isn't that nice making a treat to somebody who is on the other side of the globe , you sir are a
HERO
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:19 AM
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34. jacko_be, please notice the DU copyright rules
Do not post entire copyrighted articles. If you wish to reference an article, provide a brief excerpt and include a link to the original source. Generally, excerpts should not exceed three or four paragraphs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html


In future, please limit your excerpts to 4 paragraphs or fewer. Thank you.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:37 AM
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42. ow yes of course i will think about i , thanks
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:59 AM
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44. I gladly welcome the collaps of the dollar...
Why? because that would help to put an end to the war mongering and force the US to close many of its bases around the world. The global policeman is far over due to be sent packing and needs to spend a great deal of time on its domestic issues, rather then trying to dictate to the world what they should be doing.

Go home and fix your own fucking house first.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:39 AM
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53. You think monetary collapse will usher in an end to militarism?
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 11:39 AM by MilesColtrane
Wiki 'Weimar Republic'.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:41 AM
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55. yes
the same as with the cold war but turned around
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:55 AM
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58. Americans tend to not tuck in their heads when a crisis hits.
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 11:56 AM by MilesColtrane
They tend to lash out.

Just look at what happened after 9/11.

I see no reason to believe that a major economic collapse wouldn't usher in the election of an American fascist leader, a global war, or both.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:58 AM
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60. A war is extremely expensive, they will have more important priorities
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:35 AM
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51. The Hudson Institute...practically a division of the RAND corporation.
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 11:41 AM by MilesColtrane
No surprise that they're using fear tactics to try to assure the resumption of Greenspan's artificially low interest rates.

Let's pump a market bubble back up, be it this time in oil or commodities! If the new one collapses we can always stick our hands into the taxpayers pants for another bailout.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:36 AM
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52. A lower dollar is part of Obama's recovery plan.
Spelled out here at Daily Beast



If the U.S. were concerned about the dollar weakening—say, because of its impact on inflation—it could counteract all of this by making warning noises about potential intervention in the currency market: If you borrow heavily in dollars to lend in Chinese renminbi, you can be easily rattled by the prospect that G-7 industrialized nations will intervene in a coordinated manner to strengthen the dollar (as they have in the past).
But the G-7 met this weekend and made no statement about the dollar—despite what must have been considerable pressure from Japan, France, Germany, and Italy, all of which are always worried about a rapid weakening of the dollar because they are so dependent on exports. The U.S. officials, at the highest stakes poker table in the world, faced them down.

The key reason why the U.S. can do this is simple: We’re not currently afraid of inflation. In fact, the administration and the Fed are rather more worried about deflation (falling prices), so it doesn’t matter to them if a weaker dollar pushes up prices to some degree.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-06/obamas-secret-jobs-plan/2/
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:00 PM
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68. It's actually the pound that is the sick man of Europe at the moment
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:05 PM
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83. I see you are at it again...
making some mischief -- being a... kapoen... kapoenja? how do you spell that word?

I agree that the U.S. does not want a strong dollar now, even tho the EU wants the U.S. to have a strong dollar to keep prices of its exports down.

The U.S. wants to pay off (or price) deficits in cheaper dollars and wants to make U.S. exports cheaper.

There has been talk of a basket of currencies or another currency, other than the dollar, to price oil, etc. and I think this will happen over time. But don't see a dollar dump because of the harm it would do to China and Saudi Arabia for now. When China's domestic economy becomes strong enough to support its manufacturing, then they'll be more likely to get rid of their dollar buying to prop up their exports here. but they aren't there yet.

From what I've read, it seems to me that the U.S. economy is still weak and has some major structural weakness that will continue to hurt the U.S. economy until those things are dealt with - first and foremost are the bad loans that too many banks are still carrying.

Along with this is the likely second wave of housing/r.e. problems from people who bought houses with loans that only required them to pay interest for the first few years. Those people will have to come up with a lot more money to pay their house note and this economy is not strong enough to make that money available to them via jobs. California and Florida are the two places with the most loans like these.

It was irresponsible for banks to lend money to people on those terms and wrong for people to take out those loans. But the assumption, esp. in the places that will be hardest hit, was that housing prices would continue their rise as they have over the last decades.

California, of course, is already in major trouble so this next housing bubble will make their economy worse. Florida... well, they elected Jeb Bush and have been taken over by too many talibornagain pols, so who knows. They do have a population with a somewhat stable income from the number of retirees there. But that won't help people who were trying to buy homes. btw, both of those real estates markets have been horribly overpriced for decades, so you could also say that these painful economic problems via real estate is a long-overdue correction. Doesn't make it fun or easy if you're the one who's caught in the correction, tho.

Maybe CA will legalize pot to try to "grow" their economy. Only the religious righties would oppose that move if legalization would actually help to solve CA's problems... old school repubs don't care where the money comes from. Their tourism economy would definitely improve. And they could help the Netherlands solve one of their problems - not so many Americans hitting Amsterdam for cannabis tourism. CA could host the first open American cannabis cup.

Even better, CA could move to hemp farming and use that product to replace petrol-derived things like plastics. Watch to see how much complaining you hear from Texas and its neighbors - they'll be pissed if CA tries to cut into petrol profits but will frame it in moral terms. It would be great, tho, if CA helped strengthen the dollar by cutting imports on fossil fuel. And it would be a Republican doing it. HA!

They already have lots of cheap labor for the intensive harvesting processes. The cartels in Mexico couldn't compete on price, either. It would be like putting Al Capone out of business.

The basic problem in the U.S., tho, is that the ratio of wealth is so skewed in favor of the very richest of the rich. They simply need to pay more taxes to fund infrastructure. They do not create jobs with the tax breaks they have - as we've seen, the Bush era tax cuts resulted in negative job creation, so that argument is bullshit. Getting to that point of raising taxes on the wealthy is the hard part because all politicians are afraid to do this. Maybe we need to have campaign finance reform at the same time so that pols wouldn't have to fear they would be punished by donors for their election campaigns.

It's pretty amazing that the U.S. has been able to continue on as it has for so many years with such horrible economic policy to the nation. Another thing the government needs to do is put in place policies that reward small businesses, that lower payroll taxes for the middle and lower classes in this way, and that help small bizzes to hire people - that's where recovery will come from, imo.

Small businesses could lead the way in CA, too, with the hemp and cannabis bizzes.

Some days I feel like the U.S. is like the USSR in the 90s. We just don't know it yet.





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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:43 PM
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90. Bingo
"I agree that the U.S. does not want a strong dollar now, even tho the EU wants the U.S. to have a strong dollar to keep prices of its exports down.

The U.S. wants to pay off (or price) deficits in cheaper dollars and wants to make U.S. exports cheaper.


Inflation is negative or close to it. Usually, if a currency takes a dump, inflation skyrockets. This isn't happening. A cheap dollar is a good thing right now to spur exports and lower debt costs.
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:06 PM
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93. clearly import will get more expensive
let's talk japanese cars
french wine and cheese
i am not really sure of what we import
from the usa but i think it is mostly wood
and meat and raw materials however we will also get
them from africa and india (mittal)
and not to forget our beer.
but this Will also have an influence on the money
flow around the world like off shore islands
i'm relay looking forward to have my new edition
of the economist
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:47 PM
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108. it's not what Europe imports from the U.S.
as much as the competition for exports to other nations.

and come now, let's be honest. Europe uses taxes, etc. to improve the value of its own products relative to imports and uses tariffs, etc. to artificially manipulate the prices of goods from one place vs. another... I'm not talking about the U.S. here, but places like Jamaica vs. some other nation for things like imported fruits.

and since you have been a bad boy on this thread, you must immediately send me a case of lambic kriek or I will hold your posts hostage.

I mean this. :)
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. well i just took a rely fine jupiler out of the fridge
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 06:06 PM by jacko_be
and say to my self THANK YOU LORD

Yes of course we want the cheapest but this only came
after the
obama act: all american product
it's true

just come to belgium i give you a a crate of beer
i'm now at 12 minutes off the west-malle trapist

don't you have belgium beer over there ?
ii's maybe an idea to start a buisness
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 06:28 PM
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112. yes, we have some belgian beers here. not all 100 varieties, that I know of
we do have kriek, both lambic and "fake."

but we don't have the blood sausages to go with. at least not where I am. I'm a wimp. I actually like vieux temps.

trappist and duvel are here. but expensive comparied to, say, Guiness. no one that I know of has championed Belgian food, tho. The French get credit for kervilsoep. it's called herb or leek soup, usually. Most Americans think you have to put cream in leek soup and call it vichyssoise. My former sister-in-law told me that the difference, in older times, was that only the rich used cream for soup.

I had to import a croquette maker so that I could make potato croquettes for Christmas meals. No one that I know of makes them around here. America has something called "tater tots" that are grotesque and NOTHING like potato croquettes.

vogels zonder kop? no where to be found unless you make them yourself. we have vol-au-vent but it's not called that. we have mussels in season.

but I like your idea about coming to Belgium. I'll see you in 8 hours or so. :)

I want to go to the mayer van den bergh museum. and Christopher Plantin's printing house. And go out to dinner at this place to the left and behind Onze Lieve Vrouwe kerk for mussels. the back wall of the place is the outside wall of the church. Neuhaus, not Godiva, alsjeblieft, tho Leonidas is actually lekker. ummmm. smakelijk!

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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #112
113. i'll wait @ the airport
the blood sausages are really fine, we don't eat so much of them anymore
is saw how they were produced lol, but i think it is with all sausages

don't worry about loving Les vieux temps
not much changes around here most of our buildings are now protect by unesco
yes we know we hate the french for that
normally we don't put cream in kervelsoep because you will just lose the taste of it
but it's till nice to see people with green on the theats lol
ow and you know what really pisses us off it's the fact that
French fries are god damm Beglium fries ...
and we take te commercials of Carlberg down
you must know it....
PROBABLY THE BEST BEER IN THE WORLD
that is just a lie so every time they put a sign up
we break it down...

and a word of advise: neuhaus, godiva and leonidas
are factories... There are some places left where they make them by
hand. it's an (oral orgasm) = translated it literally don't know if i offend somebody right now

there are a lot off restaurants that are build just on the cathedral

have you visited bruges= fascinating history and Knokke = fascinating sea side town lovely @ christmas
And gent= fascinating architectures

I would love to come to america also i think it must be fantastic
but probably not the big cities but just rent a horse and go camping in
the wide open space you guys still have

and then off course visit miami and so the place were they have like to beautiful beaches
what's your town like is it nice ?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #113
114. absolument
no one wants to know how the sausage gets made.

yes, when I lived in Belgium I went to Brugge, Ghent, Tournai, Ostende, Limburg, Waterloo, Mechelen, Leuven, Dinant, Liege, among other places and of course Brussels - my former in-law family members live in Overijse, Sint Pieter's Leeeuw, near the Atomium and in Leuven.

where I live is not on the typical tourist map but it's a liberal college town.

I lived in Miami when I was younger. Haven't been there for a while, tho, so I have no idea what it's like anymore. The Atlantic seems very different on this side of it - the beaches are more like the Med. Well, I guess Ostend isn't really on the Atlantic, but that's my idea of the Atlantic in Belgium. If you go to Miami, make sure to use a litre of sunscreen every time you walk out the door.

I would return your invitation to visit the U.S. but I need to see where I'm going to live in the next few months. Lots of life is up in the air for now. It's possible this may be settled over the next month, so please cross your fingers and light a candle in onze lieve vrouwe for me. :)
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:29 PM
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100. Hi Jacko - great article - thanks!!
:hi:
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:34 PM
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102. from all the reactions i had, THANK YOU SO MUCH
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. I am very glad you are staying around. Some people can be rude
but I think most people who do - do not realize there is a language barrier.

:)
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jacko_be Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. no problem, thx for the support
i do hope you had a good day
but i going to sleep there is not only
a language barrier
but also a time barrier
it's 0.39 at night here
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