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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:47 AM
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Sarah Silverman: 'Sell the Vatican, feed the world'..I agree
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 07:47 AM by Philosoraptor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/sell-the-vatican-save-the_n_316559.html

Sarah Silverman launched a new campaign this weekend on "Real Time with Bill Maher" in which she pleads with the Catholic Church to sell the Vatican to save the world: "You preach to live humbly, and I totally agree. So now maybe it's time for you to move out of your house that is a city." Silverman outlines her plan in the following video which may prove unpopular among Catholics and highly popular amongst Silverman fans.
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I agree totally, would Christ, (if he even existed at all), build a giant castle of gold?

I know this will be interpreted as Catholic bashing, but one can't deny the opulence and worldly materialism of the Vatican complex and city.

If you offered Jesus Christ billions of dollars, do you think he'd build a gigantic gilded temple? No, I don't think so, he'd feed the poor and house the homeless with the money, although I'm sure some will differ.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:50 AM
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1. well you first Ms silverman, once you give up all your wealth, property
then you can tell others to give up theres, never ceases to amaze me how people are always willing for the next guy to be the one who should pay...
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:54 AM
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3. And we'll be happy to take back those millions this country sends
to Israel each year. People in glass houses just shouldn't...
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:55 AM
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5. nio idea why israel has anything to do with this, i thought she was the unfunny comedienne chick...
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:10 AM
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17. "chick?" Sexist much?
:eyes:
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #17
109. I, and many others(females too), view the word 'chick' similar to the word 'dude'...
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:16 PM
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110. +1
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:19 AM
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21. She's Jewish.
If she feels the need to criticize religions, she should start with her own.

That was what the poster meant.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:24 AM
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23. okay i knew she was jewish, just didnt know that she was israeli
mea culpa
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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #21
28. So in other words, the Catholic Church may only be criticized by Catholics?
That is a ridiculous argument.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. non catholics should and can critisise, just dont expect the church to care or listen
same as other churches and orgs would respond if i complain about them...
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:39 AM
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35. Not a workable axiom
Complaints from the outside are as genuine, and in many cases more relevant and important, than from the within. Companies respond to complaints from potential customers more than employees, and with good reason.

Especially ironic when you consider what Catholic means, and who their target customer base is.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:52 AM
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40. sorry but so you really think the church cares if you disagree with them
and i hate to break it to you but in the church the customer is not always right...
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:14 AM
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51. I am not so monomaniacal, but neither am I so self-absorbed as not to consider aggregates
The church most definitely DOES care what people in general think about it, as its moral authority is entirely dependent on the support of .....people in general.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:52 AM
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67. As near as I can tell, the "moral authority" of the Roman Catholic Church
these days is supported by little more than its own bombast.

The pedophile priest scandals and the hierarchy's abominable treatment of women (as wives/mothers and as priests) leave little basis for garnering respect from anyone.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:53 AM
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69. And yet the church is still there and probuably will be long after we are gone
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #69
79. this is true of venereal disease also
duznt mean syph is a good thing yanno
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #79
81. yup but it will probuably outlive us and whos to know if theres not a greater reason for it
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 10:26 AM by vadawg
:) think war of the worlds...
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #81
84. which particular worlds do you have in mind
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #84
87. ???? war of the worlds as in the movie, etc etc
you know germs killing the aliens
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #87
89. A movie would be written, "War of the Worlds" because it's a title.
Communication is a wonderful thing.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. lol i love the word snobs, its got to be feel good to catch a spelling or grammar error
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #35
113. what does it mean & who's their base?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #32
132. the Catholic Church doesn't listen to the complaints of Catholics.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #28
102. Just as ridiculous as calling any non-Jew
who critizes Israel an anti-semite.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #28
128. No only by other types of X-tians. As a Jew I am familiar with the fact
That when you get in an argument with an X-tian, if you start winning the argument you stand a good chance of hearing some anti-semitic tripe.

Though Silverman is a moron who needs to go away, her statement has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism or with her being a Jew. The fact is that the Catholic Church has been criticized for centuries for preaching holiness through poverty, but acting completely differently. Though as a Jew she should know that we should keep to ourselves... it's none of our damn business what the Catholic Church does so long as it's not on one of it's mass extermination adventures.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #21
71. Judaism does not equal Israel.
American Jews are no more responsible for Israel's behavior than you or I as Americans.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #71
103. Yes but they are responsible for putting pressure on the
government and politians to turn a blind eye to Israel's actions.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:23 PM
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129. I am pro-Israel but I put America first
And like the vast majority of Jews here in the states I have nothing to do with lobbying the government. I voted Obama over McCain even though Obama was far more likely to be less favorable to Israel than McBush. I am not alone in this.

Take your Jewish conspiracy and blow it our your ass.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #5
59. Probably because
Sarah Silverman is Jewish?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:11 AM
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18. Are you assuming because she's Jewish that she's pro Israel?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:17 AM
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20. Yeah, silly me I guess I do....n/t
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #20
70. So how did you elect Bush not once, but twice? You're an American, right?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #20
96. Silly? I think not......... nt
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:12 AM
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19. Billions in Military Aid.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:04 AM
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74. What anti-Semitic horse shit. So every American Jew is responsible for military aid to Israel?
Sarah Silverman is from New Hampshire, not Tel Aviv.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #74
106. So if you are critical of a Jewish person or Israel
you are automatically anti-semetic, but it is OK to go after the Catholic church. Nice double standard you've got there.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:59 PM
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116. No. If you attribute to a random Jew the problems with Israel, that's anti-Semitic
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 02:59 PM by HamdenRice
Sarah Silverman is a liberal, Democratic Jewish American. WTF does she have to do with the amount of money going to Israel?

That's like if Sean Penn came out with some criticism of some international institution and someone then saying "you're responsible for Northern Ireland" just because Penn is Irish-American.

Or if Denzel Washington criticized some institution and you decided to connect him to the genocide in Darfur because he's African American.

That's just stupid and you know it.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #116
120. What does she have to do with the Vatican?
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 03:16 PM by JamesA1102
Nothing! So who is she to attack the Vatican. Isn't she just exhibiting bigotry for the Catholic church by doing so? And why is that bigotry OK? Again, nice double standard you got there.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #1
4.  I highly doubt her wealth remotely compares to that of the vatican.
Either way, she is correct.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. In the bible ther is a story of a woman who gave little but it was all she had
it was looked on with greater favor then the gives of those who could afford it.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #8
52. This must be why conservatives are rewiting that book
the holy word of God needs some editing here and there.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:57 AM
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9. so, she has more wealth than a lot of people, why dosent she sacrifice first
for me its more about people telling others what they should do, but not willing to make the sacrifice themselves, im sure there are hungry people who live in her neighbourhood that would benefit greatly from her wealth...
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:21 AM
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53. Um...I'm pretty sure Silverman never claimed to be "God's Messenger on Earth"...
According to legend, "God" sent a poor carpenter
to be his messenger, not a king in a city-sized
castle.

Silverman is NOT hypocritical in this.

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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #53
60. thank god shes not, but technically if you believe the bible gods boy told another dude
he would be the rock that his church would be built apon, so its kinda like getting a promotion...
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. Exactly, practice what you preach
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #6
11. How do you know she doesn't? Many people give without announcing
it to the world and that is actually the way giving should be done according to the bible.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:03 AM
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14. im pretty sure she still has a pretty good life and has more wealth than most.
once again shes fine with telling others to give up their wealth but shes not prepared to give up all hers... personally i give to the church and im happy with that as i see the works and the people helped. I think a lot of the vatican and catholic bashing that goes on is due to differences in political views and not some wish to help the poor...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #6
48. that's exactly what she's asking the vatican to do...
she's not 'preaching' it herself- she's not telling people to give up their wealth, she's telling the people who tell others to live humbly to appease their imaginary god, that THEY should 'practice what they preach'
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #1
7. I did not realize she lived a decadent life style. How do you know
how much money she may donate to charities or whatever else she does with her money?
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #1
25. Would be relevant if she were a Christian
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 08:31 AM by dmallind
Christians are told to follow this example by someone most of them deem divine, and all of them deem an excellent example. Nonbelievers are under no such obligation.

That said I do NOT like the idea itself. The Vatican and its museums should be available to all, not in private hands.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. good point, then its got nothing to do with her then, if catholics decide to do it then fine
if not then its the catholic's cross to bear...
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #25
130. Read the old testament sometime
Supporting the community and doing whatever you can to help your fellow man was only restated in the x-tian testament. She is under the same obligation... however she is not the Pope. She's not even a cantor, and likely doesn't even go to temple. There's the difference.

But she still needs to shut her hole because she's clearly not helping anyone but anti-semites.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:34 AM
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29. Bingo. nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
39. Lone middle aged woman v. multi billion $ crime organization.
FYI you have no credibility when you try to draw parallels between things that are not remotely similar, or even capable of being remotely similar.

Sarah Silverman is a comic. One person.

The RCC is the world's oldest crime organization, with billions of dollars worth of ill gotten gain, mainly taken from peasants, over the past 1700 years.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. lol okay
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #1
42. Well the catholic church DOES preach this. Biblical quotes and all.
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 09:45 AM by geckosfeet
And the do they exact fucking opposite.

Credibility gap anyone?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. how does it do the opposite, you do realise that the church does feed the poor
house the homeless and help the sick, personally im glad the church had the foresight to garner wealth and own its own properties etc etc, it means that the church is not beholden to the largesse of the government of the day and does not need to bow to the same said government..
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #47
62. It also attacks some of us as being intrinsically disordered
and actively works against the civil rights of American citizens.

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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #47
66. Hellooo. The post is about gold, silver, jewels and antiquities horded in Rome.
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 09:48 AM by geckosfeet
Feed the poor on one hand, horde a stash on the other.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
46. the vatican preaches to people to live humbly- sarah doesn't.
she's just asking them to live up to their own words, and practice what they preach.

it doesn't seem like all that difficult a concept to grasp- but apparently you don't...:shrug:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:44 AM
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65. Why should this apply to just the Vatican?
What about all the holding of the mega-churches? What about the wealth in all the museums in the world. Isn't the Vatican in fact only a museum that is protecting rare and beautiful objects from destruction or private ownership. Just melt down all the gold and precious metal objects and sell it on the open market. Pry out the gems and sell them to the Saudi monarchy. Absolute nonsense. Its like the Taliban blowing up the statues in Afghanistan.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #1
77. do Silverman's financial choices
make what she's saying less true? I don't understand how the accuracy of a statement would depend on who says it.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:59 PM
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123. *cough*
I don't really think she's a hypocrite or a Christian, so that doesn't hold water. I also don't think she lives in her own private gold-plated city.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:51 AM
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2. what are you talking about?
Everyone knows that Jesus was a registered Republican!!!

:sarcasm:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:58 AM
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10. many a Catholic child asked their parents that same question
I asked my mother very sincerely, as a child, why the Pope and his friends needed so much pomp and circumstance. I very plainly asked her, if jesus was advocating poverty and giving up everything and taking care of the poor, why did the Pope and his friends live in such luxury?
That gave her the vapors.
I guess I wasnt supposed to ask that question.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:01 AM
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12. i clearly remember looking around at all the gold while the priest was asking for more money
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:01 AM
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13. I've been suggesting this for decades
I agree 100%
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:07 AM
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15. Why stop at the Vatican? Every religion has property that...
can be sold.

As do libraries, governments, industries, and individuals.

Everything surplus and not necesary for survival should be sold off and used to feed the hungry. Your extra pair of shoes, your 401K, your boss's Jaguar...

Everything.


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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. bravo, this is the road it leads to, im sure most of the posters on DU
have extra they dont need, some books that can be sold, extra clothes that can be taken away, everybody is guilty of this...
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:32 PM
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131. I have some that I don't need... but we've given away about 1/2 of our stuff
over the last 11 months. Right after we went bankrupt we decided to give most of our crap to goodwill. Don't need it, don't miss it... perhaps it will do some good now. My little rental house is much cleaner now and it makes me happy to think of people staying warm with my clothes or pawning my robo-vacuum for a meal.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:32 AM
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26. You're comparing working people to a non-profit religious organization.
If people want to buy things with money that they earn, what does it matter?

When the church passes around a collection plate so they can take in tax-free revenue from mostly lower and middle class congregants - which is supposed to, at least in part, be used for charitable purposes - that's a different story. If they would simply declare themselves a business rather than claim to be a humanitarian, charitable, morally superior religion, no one would think twice about the vast accumulation of wealth.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:35 AM
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31. if your a catholic and you dont like it then dont give money, if not then what does it matter what
the church uses the money for, i give money to the church as i see the works performed, if you dont then dont donate.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #31
49. Learn fourth grade grammar and spelling.
It might make your idiotic arguments more effective, but probably not.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:26 AM
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56. ah the old grammar and spelling argument its almost as good as the chewbacca defence
i bow to your superior assholeness...
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:18 AM
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76. I believe Tabasco is suggesting that your beliefs and comments might
be more digestible to the denizens of DU if they were couched in standard written English rather than the primitive, unpunctuated misspelled letters-only style you employ.

There was no "grammar and spelling argument" -- there was only a friendly suggestion, in which I concur.

Has it ever occurred to you that your primitive mode of expression will do nothing to further any arguments you make?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:25 AM
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80. sorry but on the computer i am lazy with my english, and often distracted by the chaos around me
also there are times when what i am trying to say dosent translate into english to well
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:30 AM
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85. and this is a perfect indicator of sloppy and worthless thought
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:40 AM
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88. what having to translate something from one language to another before writing it
shows sloppy and worthless thought, lol
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:49 AM
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91. so is it the translating or the chaos that causes your problem make up your mind
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:51 AM
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92. i think you forgot the punctuation there
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 11:04 AM by vadawg
plus they are not mutually exclusive....
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:32 PM
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99. For an ol' bootstrappin', self-sufficient, country boy,
you sure find a lot of time to sit at your computer.

Who's doing the chores?

Don't you have some firewood to put up or something.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:00 PM
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107. no actually im at work at the moment, so i get to sit for 13 hours today on the puter
with mothing to do but surf the web... my chores are tomorrow
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:42 AM
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63. How can you financially support an organization that actively works against civil rights?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:10 PM
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124. easy:
when you die, you go - via space magic - into a super world (!!) where everyone lives like a king in a palace (look at the Vatican - it will be like that!!), and everything will be done for you, and you won't even have to see the slaves doing it!! Double-plus-super-good!!!
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:43 AM
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37. And people can refuse to put money in that plate. Do you know how...
much the Catholic church spends on humanitarian work worldwide?

(Or do you just dislike the fact that it exists?)

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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:44 AM
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64. I know that it spends that money to work against the civil rights of Americans
That's enough to tarnish this organization.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:39 AM
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34. because most of the churches were/are built by the people.
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 08:40 AM by madrchsod
the people who through out the years built their churches by their money and work. the roman catholic church was built on the plunder of south america,political power in europe,and the selling of favors and womens bodies.

i find everything about the vatican and the pope repulsive and i will not disparage those who believe in the church. i cast my lot with what the prophet jesus said.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:47 AM
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38. So was Queen Elizabeth's wealth...
after the Vatican gives it up, next is the British royal family.

And anyone else who made or inherited money not earned in accordance with your standards.

(Not such a bad idea, actually, but hardly about to happen.)

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:13 PM
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125. that's a great fucking idea
You've just reminded me to bring this up again with my English friends. I love England, but I hate the royals. They are the largest land-owners and the wealthiest people in the country. They don't pay taxes, and if fact some tax dollars go to things like their security. They are a joke and should be done away with. I'd be happy just having them be taxed and making them pay in arrears for the past 1400 years or so.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:54 PM
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115. so was all concentrated wealth.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:52 PM
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114. and who will you sell them to? rich people, of course.
may as well just tax the rich.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:23 AM
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22. This won't end well, but I get the noble gesture.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:27 AM
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24. not a bad idea
the church was founded on the concept of political power and not humility. the "church" has nothing in common with the teachings of christ.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:35 AM
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30. What does Matt Damon say about this?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:37 AM
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33. rofl, no answer to this one...
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:41 AM
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36. Why just the Vatican?
If she wants to get all Peter Singer, apply it to everyone. But that might include Sarah...

"Singer has made similarly controversial plunges into social policy. In a recent New York Times Magazine essay, he argued that the affluent in developed countries are killing people by not giving away to the poor all of their wealth in excess of their needs. How did he come to this conclusion? "If…allowing someone to die is not intrinsically different from killing someone, it would seem that we are all murderers," he explains in Practical Ethics. He calculates that the average American household needs $30,000 per year; to avoid murder, anything over that should be given away to the poor. "So a household making $100,000 could cut a yearly check for $70,000," he wrote in the Times."
http://reason.com/archives/2000/12/01/the-pursuit-of-happiness-peter|The Pursuit of Happiness>


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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:54 AM
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44. Add the Mormon Church, the Church of Scientology, all TV ministries ...
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:54 AM
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43. I think the Arianna confuses comedy with news
"Get HuffPost Comedy On Facebook and Twitter!" -http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/sell-the-vatican-save-the_n_316559.html

I know there's some convergence, what with Stewart and Colbert vs. latter day PJ O'Rourkes in blonde wigs, but I doubt Sarah Silverman's quest against Catholic hegemony could be characterized as "a new campaign":

56. The treasures of the church, out of which the pope dispenses indulgences, are not sufficiently spoken of or known among the people of Christ.

57. That these treasures are not temporal are clear from the fact that many of the merchants do not grant them freely, but only collect them.

<...>

59. St. Laurence said that the poor were the treasures of the church, but he used the term in accordance with the custom of his own time.

<...>

62. The true treasure of the church is the Holy gospel of the glory and the grace of God.

<...>

86. Again: since the pope's income to-day is larger than that of the wealthiest of wealthy men, why does he not build this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of indigent believers?

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/history/95theses.htm
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:55 AM
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45. I've always wondered why and how Christian religious people can live in splendor and
obtain great wealth without worrying their eternal souls will burn in hell.

OK, I understand that the average Christian guy probably just ignores the teachings of Jesus. They believe but they just don't believe enough to sell all their stuff and follow Jesus like he told them. They don't believe enough in what Jesus said. They don't think they will have difficulty getting through the eye of the needle because they think Jesus really didn't mean it.

But religious Christians should be much more familiar with the words of Jesus and more willing to follow it?

Shouldn't religious Christians be more trusting in Jesus? Shouldn't they sell everything they have and follow Jesus? Shouldn't they fear the eternal fires of hell for accumulating huge piles of wealth?

It's the contradiction in what Jesus actually said and what Religious Christians actually do that has always made me wonder if religious Christians weren't merely play acting.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:06 AM
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50. you do realise that a lot of those wealthy christians use their wealth to help others
i love the way that christians on DU are fair game for any and all attacks, you do realise that their is no purity test to be a christian, all one has to do is have faith and accept jesus as their saviour, you dont get thrown out for having wealth..
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:24 AM
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55. But is not following his example and commandments somewhat a failure then?
I mean sure all believers will fail in some way, but aren't they supposed to try? After all believers have of their own free will chosen to align themselves with the faith and its strictures and tenets, so isn't it a valid accusation of hypocrisy when they don't walk the talk?

The same goes for any organization with a manifesto or dogma. This site would not exist if Democrats did not disagree and "fail" to meet ideals of Democratic purity, but there is a general cohesion that one should follow the general philosophy to at least a significant extent. Nobody spends much time here calling for an end to taxes for millionaires, a ban on gays and abortions and women as chattel after all. So yes Christians can certainly be expected to disagree on various issues, and be more or less idealistic, but you'd expect some kind of general movement towards personally painful giving as he did stress that quite a bit after all. It would be like a huge section of Democrats saying "nah we don't have to support Medicaid and Social Security really!"
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:31 AM
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58. thats the point everybody does fail to meet the ideals of his teaching
you do realise that a whole slew of christians do give to the level of personal pain at all levels of society, from people who donate a lot of time to the charities, to people who tithe a large percentage of their monies, just because you dont see it does not mean it dosent happen. Do you really believe that the catholic church for instance isnt spending vast sums in feeding the poor, or housing the homeless etc etc, i can say that i see the works every day in the area i patrol....
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:35 AM
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61. Do you believe they are the majority? Or the only ones who do?
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 09:36 AM by dmallind
Would you settle for only some of DU supporting equal rights even if they are white hetero men? Progressive taxation even if they make decent money? Would you not think that a failure on those who did not, and expect the vast vast majority to succeed? And here we are only talking about followers of a relatively disorganized and only partially successful political party, not the infallible and divine creator of the universe! Wouldn't it be far more important to follow the latter orthodoxy, and far more of a failure not to?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:58 AM
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72. not sure of your point or if you are missing my point, either you believe or not
you have faith or not, there are many interpretations of the word, some people choose not to live the whole deal, others aspire to it, in the end its all down to the individual but i dont think the less of anyone because they dont give as much as me, or think someone is better because they give more.
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:48 PM
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127. Yet you saw fit to judge S. Silverman without even knowing anything
about her charitable contributions or how she lives her life.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:22 AM
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54. But if they sell the Vatican, where will they wear their fancy dresses?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:23 PM
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121. So you have a problem with men wearing dresses.
That's your problem, not anyone else's.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:29 AM
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57. From the book of Matthew
"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

"The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light; but If your eye is not sound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." {Matt 6:19-24 RSV}
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:53 AM
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68. The eye of the needle
"… a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." "Which ones?" the man inquired.
Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?" Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

And to think Jesus never mentions abortion or homosexuality. The hypocrisy of the church continues....
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:22 AM
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78. --intended to respond to original post...moved downthread--
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 10:26 AM by saltpoint


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:01 AM
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73. I'm thinking there might be security issues if the Pope checked out of the
Vatican and moved into a condo in Delray Beach.

Would he get a reserved parking spot with a sign, "Vicar of Christ" ?

Silverman's point about a pile of gold versus the tenets of the ministry of Jesus is long-argued in History and isn't going anywhere with this most-recent incarnation.

The St. Francis model of Christianity is still available to any and all who wish to emulate it, and the charitable arm of the Catholic Church is extensive, genuine, formidable, and faith-adherent.

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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:09 AM
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75. Sarah Silverman - the female Dane Cook.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:26 AM
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82. Most of the big-ticket high-gloss razzmatazz megachurches are Protestant.
The well-dressed roosters who run them seem to me to be in obvious violation of the tenets of the ministry of Jesus.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:26 AM
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83. I love the Divine Miss Silverman
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:34 AM
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86. I find Silerman to be pretty irritating. I really can't stand to watch anything with her.
However, she does make a good point here.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:55 AM
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93. How come anytime some one with substantial wealth
who comes out for our side, be it social or Government issues, they get dragged across hot coals by some here at DU?!

Really, What the fuck! She is completely correct in her view, the hypocrisy of religion is astounding to say the least. Jeebus, if he ever existed which I highly doubt, is not at all in any way described as the Catholic Church is. They live in their ivory towers where they attempt to preach/dictate to us on social behavior; all the while contributing to a huge percentage of global suffering and death.

Why then is such reward given to such a monstrosity like Catholicism, they have their own fucking country?? what the fuck is that all about??? Religion does not deserve such recognition.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:21 AM
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95. and your entitled to your own opinion, as im sure you think the many catholics in the US
and around the world are too,
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:03 PM
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118. More to the point, does anyone think Sarah Silverman is wealthy?
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 03:04 PM by HamdenRice
I mean, she's got a minor cable comedy show with a budget of $1 million + per episode which covers all the actors, staff, techies, etc., that probably reaches 100,000 viewers. Her solo movie made $1.something million -- which after producer and distribution fees probably earned her in the high five figures.

She has a million plus book deal, but she has to write the book.

From profiles I've read, she lives in a tiny Manhattan apartment. My guess is she makes about as much as a NYC public high school principal.

Just because she's famous doesn't mean she's rich.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:27 PM
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122. Uh, did she actually say any of that?
Lol. You got some, uh, froth on the side of your mouth you might want to wipe.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:08 AM
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94. Yes! And how about demolishing the Wailing Wall
and selling the land surrounding it to a condo developer? I am sure that would raise millions that could also go to the poor and homeless.

That's a good idea too-- right, Sarah?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:03 PM
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97. Jesus H Christ folks.
Sarah Silverman is a COMEDIAN!
This was COMEDY!
It was HILARIOUS!
I laughed until snot came out of my nose.
THIS is her Schtick!
She is very good at it.

Once again, This was COMEDY.
No need for ANYONE to get their panties in a bunch.

If you need some reassurance, watch the bit again.
The give away will be the part where she lists all the benefits,
and says that the Vatican will get lots of PUSSY if the sell out.
Now, that is hilarious because everyone KNOWS that Catholic Priests are all homosexual pedophiles!

LOL.

Everybody, Lighten the Fuck Up.

Comedy.

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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:17 PM
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98. I've been saying that for 40 yrs. So much for the vow of poverty.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:45 PM
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100. Offensive.
As a catholic I find this very offensive coming from a non-catholic. How would Ms. Silverman feel is say Mel Gibson did a video pushing the idea of selling Israel to feed the world or even cutting the billions that the US gives in aid to Israel every year and using that money to feed the world?

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:00 PM
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117. LMAO.. Offended?
Awww you poor Catholics. You spend thousands of years denigrating the Jewish faith, telling Jews that they are worth nothing unless they take Jesus Christ as their personal savior, and then they will be "allowed" into heaven. Then some Jew does a comedy bit about Catholic hypocrisy and you get offended? :rofl:


BTW if you think you're offended, my father was Catholic, my mother Jewish, try living with that contradiction.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:12 PM
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119. I never spent thousands of years doing that.
But you're post prove that anti-catholic prejudice is the last acceptable form of bigotry in America.

BTW As for your daddy issues, see a doctor.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:47 PM
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101. Damn Jews!!!!
:sarcasm:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:50 PM
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104. Damn Catholics!
:sarcasm:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 01:50 PM
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105. Damn Comedians!!!
:sarcasm:
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:10 PM
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108. You're right......a Catholic should be saying this
But they're too scared of their vengeful religious leaders and followers to try.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:20 PM
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133. Not true
Catholics complain about the church and her doctrine all the time.

It was Catholics who were complaining about the priests that abused their children and the church that protected the priests.

It is Catholics who complain about the archaic practices that only men can be priest, that priests and nuns must remain celebate, that gays are not allowed to be married.

Catholics have complained for years about all the money spent on the cathedrals and in the hands of the Vatican while the church members struggle.

Did you realize that Catholics are told they must send their children to Catholic schools but the churches do not support the schools? The schools have to be self supporting therefore they have to charge exorbitant tuition.

I'm a recovering Catholic who has always had trouble with the Church's practices which ignore or fly in the face of the teachings of Christ. At an early age I was questioning all the money spent on building the fancy churches that Christ spoke out against.

So, Catholics do speak out. We do it all the time. The Mother Church doesn't listen and doesn't care.

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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 02:43 AM
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137. God bless
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:46 PM
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135. Yeah, whatever. Apparently you mix up "scared of" and "reverent of" but that's no surprise.
Not every Christian views its religious leaders with fear. Most modern Catholics don't.
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 02:41 AM
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136. Jesus loves you
Now keep giving your money away to rich people.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:30 PM
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111. Whatever. You guys do realize what this is, right?
She's not much of a comedian so she's saying something "controversial" like this to get more youtube hits and to sell more tickets to her shitty shows.

Nothing more.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 02:36 PM
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112. If Jesus really existed he would have already shit canned all the fake churches
and people with their bullshit prosperity gospel. :puke:

The only thing I disagree with Sarah Silverman about is that she shouldn't have just gone after the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is not alone in their worship of the almighty dollar instead of god.

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:22 PM
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126. no, but they are the only ones with their own private city-state (nt)
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:22 PM
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134. Oh wow that is very ironic.
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 11:25 PM by anonymous171
The Jewish community should get rid of their wealth too then. In fact, every religion should dispose of its private property.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:11 AM
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138. Nah, just the ones who take a vow of poverty.
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