Father-to-be gropes delivery nurse

[Liberal_in_LA]

Father-to-be gropes delivery nurse

Men are known to occasionally misbehave in the hospital delivery room. While most perform like champs, some scream at the doctor, push their mothers-in-law aside, or even fall asleep while their wives are struggling to get to nine centimeters.

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Thirty-year-old Adam Manning brought his laboring wife to McKay-Dee Hospital in Ogden. He told a nurse she was "cute" then reached for her breasts.

The police were called. Manning's wife said he was drunk, though it's unknown whether he drove to the hospital intoxicated.

Manning was arrested on charges of forcible sexual assault, and he missed the birth of his child.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?blogid=46&entry_id=49352#ixzz0TnTi8URf



Ogden Police Lieutenant Lt. Loring Draper said Manning had looked the nurse 'up an down' after arriving at the McKay-Dee hospital and made a comment about her appearance.

'He commented on how attractive she was, how cute she was,' Draper said.

Police said Manning had first tried to touch the nurse's neck before launching the sex assault.

'After the second time, the nurse asked what he was doing,' Draper said. 'The wife responded that he was just drunk.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1219631/Dad-grabs-nurses-breasts-way-delivery-room-misses-birth-son.html#ixzz0TnUbglOl

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. He's a sick SOB.

I feel sorry for the child.

[Maru Kitteh]

2. Message to wife; LEAVE NOW.

Your kid deserves better and it's your responsibility to make sure it happens.

[Selatius]

3. Why do good girls always go for the bad guys?

I've seen it time and time again, and I know how to work around that stuff. I'm fairly good at reading a girl. I'll readily admit I wasn't exactly the poster-child of the "good guy" either when I was younger; I was manipulative and cruel at times past. Aside from that, I mean, yeah, a lot of girls go for the bad guys; I get that, but I was never able to understand why they set themselves up for pain.

[miyazaki]

5. beats me too

i'm still dumbfounded over my ex gf who left me for an addict, who ultimately beat her to a pulp, emptied her bank account, and was thrown
in prison. well, after he got out, they got married!
I guess I was too boring for her.

:shrug:

[HughBeaumont]

9. The element of surprise. Nice guys are straight boring to them.

From the "Become a Player" website:

Two words... RISK and INDEPENDENCE (remember these words from earlier in this article?). Since women are not prepared to be responsible for being "bad" themselves (risk taking / adventure seeking), they find it very attractive when they find men who are "bad". These are men who are (or seem) prepared to take risks and have adventures and along the way, will encourage the women, to be bad themselves. That's a great deal of the appeal of a bad boy. Even if the woman is bad, she's still morally better than he is. And that's very attractive to her. She can be as bad as she wants, and she knows the guy will be badder.

The other thing is that bad boys are perceived as guys who have more "wild fun" than "nice guys". And they show women more fun. Bad boys like their lives. Women find their energy and self-confidence strongly attractive. When women find these traits in a nice guy (which is rare), they usually marry him. When they find it in a bad boy, they usually just sleep with him.


And if that's the way they are and if that's what they want, then really, they aren't worth being with in the first place. Smart women know better.

[seabeyond]

15. i like nice guys and find them anything but boring. dependable, yes. boring no.

and to me, dependable, responsible is a plus. go figure. i like being an adult

just a little conditioning for women i am speaking out against. we are told how we dont like nice guys. not true. many of my friends dont find it true either. some girls, ok.... but far from the majority, not so much

[Darth_Kitten]

29. There are women out there who quite frankly, aren't very bright.

I don't know any woman with a brain who would go for an abuser or a drug addict, etc.

[Echo In Light]

31. Psychology, and examples within social climate are more of a factor than basic intelligence

[raccoon]

56. "We are comfortable with the familiar, even if it is painful."

A counselor told me that once.

These women may have brains, but they're USED TO the abuser, the drug addict, etc.

[DireStrike]

42. Attraction and intelligence have nothing to do with each other

You can't rationalize yourself into being attracted to something other than what you are.

Now, you might be able to SOCIALIZE a person, over a long period of time, into finding qualities attractive or unattractive. But this is certainly not possible in the short term, and might not be possible at all for adults.

[sandnsea]

11. Who says she's a good girl?

She's probably as nutty and drunked up as he is. Maybe that's the part of the myth nice guys don't get. They're going after the "bad girls" in the exact same manner that they're complaining about.

[seabeyond]

18. my thought. why the hell did we decide she was a "good" girl. rollin eyes. nt

[Brooklyns_Finest]

49. Yup

Trash usually find each other.

[TransitJohn]

12. Evolutionary biology

Seriously. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. Women are attracted to belligerent males who in evolutionary terms would provide a safe environment for offspring. Now I'm going to :hide:.

[seabeyond]

16. hide? because you say somethng really stupid. dont bother. i find

these people generally attrack each other, like/like.

[Tesha]

28. It actually turns out that women's tastes varies over their menstrual cycle.

(Note to others: Don't bother yelling at me, calling me a sexist or using
ruder words; this has been studied enough that it seems to be well-proven
at this point.)

When they are ovulating, women are attracted to "bad boys": highly-
competitive, daring men who are likely to give their off-spring the
genes that help them succeed (="dominate others") in their lives.
These are the types they want to impregnate them.

But during the rest of their cycle, women want a more stay-at-home
man who will be faithful and help her raise her off-spring, even if
those off-spring aren't his. In other words, "the nice guys".

This has been proven, over and over again in many different experiments,
in humans as well as other animals. And it leads to one of the most basic
dynamics in male/female relationships.

The good news is that a lot of human women come to realize this
dichotomy emanating from the reptilian layers of their brains and
being more-highly-evolved than lizards, learn to overcome this
evolutionary baggage. We eventually realize that the nice guys
can lead, long-term, to a better life than the "bad boys". Some
never learn, of course :(.

Tesha

[Gwendolyn]

36. You're confusing a bunch of stuff, starting with the diff between "alpha male" and "bad boy."

There're some studies which propose that women are more attracted to a chiseled, traditionally male jaw line as well as physical prowess during certain periods of the month, but that has nothing to do with women going gaga for assholes.

While many bad boys are physically hot, others are physically inferior douchebags any normal woman would cross the street to avoid.

[Tesha]

39. I'm not confusing stuff at all. Various aspects of this have been studied,

not just the "chiseled features" stuff. Google up a recent edition of New
Scientist magazine where this came up yet again.

Tesha

[Gwendolyn]

40. New Scientist has one or more articles claiming that women are attracted to douchebaggy guys...

at some point during their cycle? I've never seen or heard of anything like that, nor does the New Scientist seem to have any info of that nature either. At least not that I can see.

I'm interested though. Got a link?

[Quantess]

60. A little knowledge can lead to some far-fetched, convoluted, misguided, personal theories.

[Mari333]

13. no, not true for me when I was young woman

I went for the gentle, intelligent guys. because I was gentle and intelligent. I went for the guys who were nerds, because I was a nerd. Those are the kinds of guys I married.

[seabeyond]

17. just another illusionary fallacy continually presented as reality, looking for lowest

dominator of who we are.

of course it isnt true. not for you. not for me. not for most all of my friends. it was the unusual and insecure female that went for this male, and we stood in confusion why in the world a friend would do something so.... ya, stupid

then whine and cry about it

[Mari333]

19. yes, I remember women I knew who played perpetual victims

and married abusers like their own dads were, and than stayed in the marriage and I would hand them cards with the name of a therapist on them or the name of an emergency number.
I learned early not to enable or be an enabler.

[seabeyond]

20. "not to enable or be an enabler. " exactly. having had a drunk brother for two decades

the victim... always and forever the victim as he fucks up everyones life i have learned about enable and enabler too.

i can be empathetic, i can love them, ..... and i refuse the role of allowing the victim

[Mari333]

21. yep!! I call it the "OH POOR ME" syndrome

I can smell it a mile away.

[seabeyond]

22. yep... bah hahaha. i mean.... yup. nt

[MichellesBFF]

23. "Girls" may stop going for the bad guy

When "guys" stop calling women "girls".

[PassingFair]

24. Maybe they're not so "good".

In my experience, the bad girls go for the bad guys.

Guess it depends on what your definition of "good" is.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. He fits the cultural expectation of men.

Of course she picked a man who is a drunken ass-grabber; she knows that's the only kind. Everyone else is just pretending to be decent, and no one likes phonies.

Also, no one likes to have their stereotypes challenged.

[redqueen]

52. "Everyone else is just pretending to be decent,"

Yep, we see that claim often here on DU. Anyone who does anything outside the stereotype is just pretending in order to be more appealing to women.

[lumberjack_jeff]

62. Zing. Good one.

I can appreciate good snark, even if I'm the recipient. :thumbsup:

[Dora]

37. Poor parenting, childhood traumas, formative experiences....

It's not difficult to understand.

[Liquorice]

45. They aren't always. But it happens for the same reasons good guys are attracted to 'bad' girls. nt

[MountainLaurel]

46. Who says she's a good girl? n/t

[redqueen]

51. Oh FFS. (nt)

[Brooklyns_Finest]

53. Nice guys

This has nothing to do with being a nice guy. I don't even know what that means. What makes someone a nice guy? The fact that he is too shy to talk to women? The fact that they can't keep a woman?

Guys like the perpetrator don't have a problem attracting women, because they are aggressive. In this story he was overly aggressive and committed a criminal act, but I am sure he never let being shy or scared or boring stopped him for attracting women.

[Matariki]

57. As evidenced by how the nurse swooned over the loser...

:eyes:

This is such a cliche and inaccurate assertion - usually made by men who don't understand their own problems with women.

[omega minimo]

4. They then wheeled him into Emergency and cut off his grabbers.

[d_b]

6. idiot

[Bigmack]

7. Father of the Year candidate!.. nt

[Chemisse]

8. That's going to be a really cute story to tell the child about later!

:sarcasm:

[Barack_America]

25. He won't be around long enough.

[Razoor]

10. what a idiot

[dysfunctional press]

26. wow.

what AN idiot.

[Blue_Tires]

14. for a moment I thought this was another Johnny Damon story...

who legend has it got up in FOUR nurses while his wife was in labor...

[JNelson6563]

27. A knee to the groin and, when doubled over, a knee to the nose.

That's right, more where that came from motherfucker.

Julie--the merciless

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

30. he thought he was at McDonalds

McKay-Dee Hospital

[csziggy]

32. I've got to agree with this comment from the SFGate page

hoopsjunkie
10/12/2009 6:52:18 AM

C'mon, it's Utah. You never know when and where you're going to meet your 5th wife.

Someone, cue the Benny Hill music.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?blogid=46&entry_id=49352#ixzz0TpDyNq4R

:sarcasm:

[Javaman]

33. Oh that baby will have a wonderful life.

sigh.

yet another kid that starts off in a parental deficit.

[seabeyond]

38. starts off in a parental deficit..... exactly. nt

[JVS]

35. Genuine class!

[mainer]

41. He's a post-head injury patient. This could explain it.

One of the comments in the Utah paper is from someone who was in a serious accident with him years ago. She says he suffered severe head injuries and a personality change afterwards.

Head-injured patients, if they've had frontal lobe damage, lose all their inhibitions and can do wild and impulsive things. It's a tragic result, and the patient really can't be entirely blamed for his misbehavior. What he did to the nurse is not that remarkable for these types of patients.

Knowing about his medical history, I'm more inclined to feel really sorry for him.

[Flaneur]

43. Wow, way to spoil the fun.

Our self-appointed DU jury had already reached its verdict, and now this?

[seabeyond]

44. hm, lets see. wife having a baby. he comes to hospital drunk. and is head injuries fault.

just saying

[mainer]

47. I've worked with head-injured patients. They lose their personalities.

Their families told me they were once good, decent husbands and fathers. And after the injury, these men would do totally shocking things like grope strangers or shoplift. They lose all inhibitions, and just follow their impulses. The families don't know how to handle these men, and many end up in institutions.

[seabeyond]

48. man went to wife birthing his baby, drunk. fault of head injury, dont know.

because he is an ass, dont know. groping female cause drunk or friend defending him claiming head injury, dont know

[redqueen]

54. Interesting.

I'm sure it doesn't only affect men, though, right? Does this also happen to women?

[mainer]

55. yes, head-injured women will do impulsive things as well.

Shoplift. Drink. get into fights. Run out in front of cars without looking. It's just that when men do it, more damage is possible.

There's more to stupid behavior than just stupidity.

here's a website to help families cope with the issue:

http://www.caregiver.org/caregiver/jsp/content_node.jsp?nodeid=396

note the paragraph on inappropriate sexual behaviors:

Inappropriate Sexual Behavior

After a head injury, a person may experience either increased or decreased interest in sex. The causes could be a result of brain regulation of hormonal activity or an emotional response to the injury.

Sexual disinterest from a head injured spouse should not be taken personally. Avoiding sexual contact could stem from fear or embarrassment about potential performance. Do not pressure the person to resume sexual activity before he/she is ready. Helping the person dress nicely and practice good hygiene may help increase his/her confidence in feeling attractive.

Increased sexual interest can be particularly stressful and embarrassing to families and caregivers. Without good impulse control, the survivor may make crude remarks out in public, make a pass at a married friend, try to touch someone in an inappropriate setting, or demand sexual attention from a spouse or significant other.

It is important to remind the person that the behavior is not acceptable.

A spouse should not feel pressured into submitting to sexual demands which are unwanted.

A sexually aggressive person may need to be isolated from others where inappropriate behavior is not controlled. A call for help may be necessary, if physical threats are made.

Support groups may be useful in helping the person realize the consequences of inappropriate sexual behaviors.

[madmusic]

58. Descartes' Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain

is a book by neurologist Antonio R. Damasio, in which the author presents the argument that emotion and reason are not separate but, in fact, are quite dependent upon one another.

Damasio argues that the body is the genesis of thought. The philosopher René Descartes developed a method of reasoning based on the indisputable observation that if we think, we must exist. However, Damasio examines the physiological processes that contribute to the functioning of the mind and therefore proposes the idea that thinking is inherent to a body in which no spirit exists. Descartes' "error" was the dualist separation of mind and body, and the artificial dichotomy between rationality and emotion. One of Damasio's key points is that rationality does not function without emotional input.

Damasio explores in depth the famous case of Phineas Gage. While Gage's intelligence remained intact after his brain was damaged in an 1848 accident, Damasio believes that Gage's ability to reason and make rational decisions became severely handicapped because his emotions could no longer be engaged in the process. Damasio uses this and other brain-damage cases to develop his thesis on emotion and its relationship to human activity. He argues that rationality stems from our emotions, and that our emotions stem from our bodily senses. The state of the mind, or feeling, is merely a reflection of the state of the body, and feeling is an indispensable ingredient of rational thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes%27_Error

[thelordofhell]

50. When did Levi Johnson move to Ogden?

[TorchTheWitch]

59. What a pig!

And his wife just seems to brush it off... oh don't mind him he's just plastered again.

Ugh.

[blueworld]

61. Why are people like this always fertile? I'll pray for the baby. Sigh. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

63. The wife is lucky.

I wish my ex had been that much of an asshole right at the beginning, I wouldn't have given him seven years to break my spirit slowly.

[seabeyond]

64. grinnin. first thing thinkin reading your message? lucky you, you found out 7 yrs. not a lifetime

with the loser, broken down...

you have life. now

[beam me up scottie]

67. Thanks for the reminder :)

I feel safe now, I don't have to look over my shoulder or dread coming home.

And Beloved Boyfriend is cooking my supper as we speak.

[BeHereNow]

65. Unfortunately, men are born with two heads.

This is a case where the guy let the wrong head do his thinking for him.
It happens.

BHN

[seabeyond]

66. so fuckin stupid and insult to all guys. cant keep hands off a stranger. hey, cant help raping

after all, two heads

and you are female. why promote this crap

[liquid diamond]

68. His wife sure knows how to pick them.