Where can I find a copy of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle,

[malaise]

The Uncensored Original Edition for sale.

[Brickbat]

1. Have you tried google?

It seems to be helpful.

Or, you know, any online bookseller: http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781884365300-0

[Bolo Boffin]

2. Google Books has the 1906 print

http://books.google.com/books?id=5XZm3joxjDsC&lpg=PP1&ots=bJ7GcWy7vw&dq=the%20jungle%20by%20upton%20sinclair&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

[malaise]

7. Thanks

[JuniperLea]

3. Did you try alibris.com?

They have amazing stuff there.

Edited to say... oh yeah... they haven't failed me yet!

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?binding=&mtype=&keyword=the+jungle

[malaise]

11. Thanks n/t

[justabob]

4. amazon has used books

someone probably has a copy listed there. There are other places online to find out-of print stuff.... alibris.com is another one.

[Melinda]

5. Links:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/compare_prices/41681.The_Jungle_The_Uncensored_Original_Edition

price bookseller
$6.00 Amazon Marketplace
$6.58 Abebooks
$6.82 Alibris
$7.00 Half.com
$8.64 Amazon
$9.60 Barnes & Noble
$10.98 BetterWorld
$12.00 Powells

[malaise]

50. Thanks

I'm going to opt for the publisher

[Codeine]

6. Direct from the publisher

for only nine bucks.

http://www.seesharppress.com/orderform1.html

[malaise]

8. That's perfect

Thank you

[justabob]

13. just found at amazon too

http://www.amazon.com/Jungle-Uncensored-Original-Upton-Sinclair/dp/1440451443/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255464450&sr=1-2

[Bolo Boffin]

22. Don't buy it at Amazon

From the publisher:

Amazon has recently begun issuing its own "CreateSpace" editions of works in the public domain. Last October, they did this with The Jungle: The Uncensored Original Edition, which they issued in an edition that varies drastically from the See Sharp Press edition. Amazon did the following: 1) They omitted the lengthy, copyrighted introduction and foreword (which provide information on the history of the book and its various editions, and the reasons why the standard edition was expurgated); 2) They omitted all of the explanatory footnotes that appear in the See Sharp edition; 3) Amazon (under their imprint, CreateSpace) falsely claimed that they hold the copyright to the book; 4) They used considerably smaller type than in the See Sharp edition, so their edition is harder to read; 5) They issued their edition with a cheap black & white cover; 6) Amazon used exactly the same subtitle that we used: "The Uncensored Original Edition." This is par for the course, so far (though the false copyright claim and the use of our previously unique subtitle are scummy).

But Amazon also "disappeared" the See Sharp Press edition of The Jungle: The Uncensored Original Edition from their web site. If you run a search for "The Jungle: The Uncensored Original Edition" on Amazon, the See Sharp Press edition simply doesn't show up in the results—the only thing that does is the Amazon "CreateSpace" edition. (Our edition also doesn't show up when you search for simply "The Jungle.") To our admittedly biased selves, this seems more than a bit unfair.

So, if you want to order The Jungle: The Uncensored Original Edition, we'd ask that you order it from us or buy it at your local bookstore—not from Amazon.

http://www.seesharppress.com/

[Brickbat]

27. Not only that, Amazon is a union-buster.

[TheDebbieDee]

46. I didn't know that.........I purchase from Amazon quite often.

Maybe I'll have to start using Barnes & Noble. They're pretty blue, I think.

[Brickbat]

49. Powells is union, and if you go through their portal, the union gets a cut of the sale:

http://www.ilwulocal5.com/shop-union/

[Ignis]

70. Great info, thanks for the link. (nt)

[malaise]

61. Yep I have B&N membership

and I spend hours in their stores when I'm in the US.

[malaise]

28. Thanks

I don't use Amazon unless I have no option. I try to buy blue.

[justabob]

31. thanks

There are so many outrages these days it is hard to keep track of them all. Sigh. :(

[anigbrowl]

67. Um, wrong...

From the publisher:

Amazon has recently begun issuing its own "CreateSpace" editions of works in the public domain. Last October, they did this with The Jungle: The Uncensored Original Edition, which they issued in an edition that varies drastically from the See Sharp Press edition. Amazon did the following:

The publisher is mistaken. Createspace is the service that Amazon customers can use to publish their own stuff. for example, you upload them a pdf or a CD's worth of music, they send you back a proof copy, then once you clear it it can be sold at amazon (or of your website or whatever) - when people order a copy it's printed and bound (or whatever, if it's a CD/DVD) to order.

In short, anyone can use Createspace to publish. It's a service, not a publishing imprint. Amazon doesn't choose, edit, or censor the material, they just print & bind it. I use it for DVDs occasionally, and the only input Amazon has is on technical issues, like the exact pixel size of the cover artwork has to match their template so it won't be off-center and stuff like that.

[Bolo Boffin]

68. Thanks for the correction.

But the edition that malaise wants is the one from See Sharp Press, and the Amazon CreateSpace edition doesn't have all the accompanying material.

[anigbrowl]

71. I've got that. But as it's public domain, anyone could make an 'uncensored edition'.

So basically what See Sharp is offering (and this is a good thing) is a superior editing contribution, making sure to include all the original material, introduction and so forth. Anyone else could do so too as far as public domain material goes, but SS were the first ones to put that effort in.

[blueworld]

9. Here's one at alibris for 6.82

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qwork=7682250&matches=26&wquery=the+jungle&cm_sp=works*listing*title

[malaise]

12. Great price

Thanks

[closeupready]

10. I didn't know there was an uncensored original edition different than the one which

is for sale at any book store?

[malaise]

17. Yep a friend who has read the regular edition about a dozen

times told me I must read the original as well.

[Codeine]

23. The original publisher

convinced Sinclair to remove some of the more gruesome bits for publication.

[taterguy]

14. At a bookstore?

Just a wacky suggestion

[Brickbat]

15. It sounds like the "uncensored" label the publisher is putting on it might be stretching it a bit.

It looks like "unedited" or "original" might be a better descriptor.

[malaise]

20. There was a fair amount of censorship

before they released it.

[Brickbat]

26. I dread the day all editing is considered censorship.

Of course, some people think that already.

[frylock]

43. it wasn't simple editing as you suggest..

it was quite literally CENSORED to remove much of the pro-Socialist commentary. It's all addressed in the forward of the unexpurgated version.

[democrat2thecore]

45. Well, this truly was

It's actually been the subject of academic debate with one (yes, one) individual (very vocal) claiming the published edition was what Sinclair wanted. I think there is too much evidence to discount that completely. The Jungle was originally serialized in J.A. Wayland's socialist paper, The Appeal To Reason. The old original papers were thought to be lost until they were found just a few years ago. So, we now have the original, as-serialized version - which is what you can buy today as published by Sharp Press. The "editing" was, in fact, censorship as the publisher plucked out almost all references by Sinclair to organizing for a socialist democracy.

[defendandprotect]

63. Sounds like we should all be reading the original -- !!!

Think we could use some "organizing for a socialist democracy" about now!!

:)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. If you're just interested in reading it and not in need of a printed text

Project Gutenberg has it available as a free download.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/140

[malaise]

24. Thanks

I'll read this version there, but I do want my own copy.

[democrat2thecore]

30. That appears to be the original *published* edition

The OP is asking about this edition:
http://www.amazon.com/Jungle-Uncensored-Original-Upton-Sinclair/dp/1884365302


It argues much stronger for socialism.

I have an original first print of a version published specifically for the old Socialist Party with their logo on the front of the book.

[malaise]

33. Yep that's the one I want

Thanks

[CrispyQ]

18. My library has three copies. --nt

[malaise]

25. Lucky you

:hi:

[CrispyQ]

39. We're very lucky!

We have a progressive library board. There are plenty of books by conservative authors, but even more books by liberal authors. :thumbsup: They also have a wonderful shop where local artists can display their work. A piece of me cries when I hear of libraries closing due to lack of funds. Education is our best hope.

On that note, today I picked up the book "Idiot America" by Charles P. Pierce. I expect it will be entertaining & horrifying at the same time.

:pals:

[malaise]

41. I'll be buyingbooks next month

I've started ordering some already. Any suggestions are welcome.

[CrispyQ]

69. So many books, so little time.

Lots of good non-fiction books discussed/reviewed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=209

[backscatter712]

19. Amazon's got it.

http://www.amazon.com/Jungle-Uncensored-Original-Upton-Sinclair/dp/1440451443/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255464587&sr=8-2

[malaise]

21. Thank you

That's it.

[Bolo Boffin]

29. That's actually different from the See Sharp edition. See post above, "don't buy it at Amazon." n/t

[malaise]

40. You're right

Upton Sinclair. The Jungle. The Uncensored Original Edition. Introd. Kathleen De Grave. Tucson: See Sharp Press, 2003. xxvii + 335 pp. $12.00

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. I think this is the uncensored version on line

Fantastic awareness in you to bring up this book again
to give the public awareness.

Everything in my searches in regards to historical and academic makes me think it is the uncensored beast.....I think its the real deal

Great Book it was required reading at least at some of the schools and classes I attended.


link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=5XZm3joxjDsC&dq=Upton+Sinclair's+The+Jungle&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=bJ7GcWy8xC&sig=yvXNtpxxr8ypWnX1wYt2i6ADM-E&hl=en&ei=7N3USsizJ4Xm-Qa2_sCPAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false

[malaise]

36. It's a classic

Yep I had a great professor who made us read it way back when,but that was the censored edition. Now as I trod through Marley's concrete jungle,I want my own copy of the uncensored edition.

Thanks for that link.
How's life in your new place now that winter approaches? I remember being in Denmark in the fall three decades ago and watching one of my in-laws jump into the sea as I watched on in my winter coat. Now I only visit in summer. :hi:

[Ichingcarpenter]

42. These Days

Ill keep on moving
Things are bound to be improving these days

These days--
These days I sit on corner stones
And count the time in quarter tones to ten, my friend

Dont confront me with my failures
I had not forgotten them

Autumn winds are fierce here, but its cozy

[malaise]

44. All the Scandinavian countries are cozy

and laid back. Good to see you posting - miss you. :grouphug:

[tridim]

34. Now I'm wondering which version I read 25 years ago?

It was an old-ish looking hardcover from the library. That's all I remember.

[malaise]

38. Probably the one most of us read

censored.

[democrat2thecore]

35. I have a First Edition of a special printing for the old Socialist Party

It was published even before the so-called "original" publication to keep a promise to J.A. Wayland of The Appeal To Reason (which originally published The Jungle in serialized form in Wayland's paper). It has the logo of the Socialist Party on the cover and is a very special book in my library.

[malaise]

37. Yes that would be very special to me as well

I am lucky though. I have some classics that my maternal grandfather gave my dad.

[busybl]

47. it'll turn you vegetarian.

[malaise]

48. I gave up all red meat three decades ago

:D

[defendandprotect]

54. and, you know I think it's even worse now . .. 17% fecal matter permitted on animal carcasses!!

And the factory farms have been polluting ground and other water sources for

decades! Back then they didn't have all the antibiotics they're feeding to the

animals now -- or hormones to make them grow and which pass into those eating this stuff.

Also, all of this into our drinking water!!!

[malaise]

59. And animals weren't eating

chopped up animals.
Don't you wonder why all the regulations that followed classics like The Jungle were removed.

Maybe Michael Moore can give us The Jungle part 2

[defendandprotect]

65. Right . .. including road kill--!!! And maybe they were getting some sunshine???

It's criminal what the elites do -- they're suicidal in my opinion.

Of course, they bought quite a few politicians and own most of government now

so we the people are on the outside looking in . . . in a sense!

Vegan here --

:hi:

[Codeine]

72. To be perfectly honest

Michael Moore doesn't look like a man overly concerned with healthy food.

[defendandprotect]

51. Sometimes the library have some of the original copies . . .

You can also try Amazon or your local book store who will try to find an original for you.

Interesting how many of our books are reissued these days -- abridged!!

[RagAss]

52. My Life is a copy of "The Jungle" !

[malaise]

55. So are the majority of lives on the planet

One day people wake up and realize the dream is a nightmare.

[RagAss]

57. Amen

[malaise]

58. We pick our pen and trod

through our version of the jungle. If we're lucky we discover that it's BS very early and learn to appreciate the beauty of nature,family and friendship. Everything else is part of the nightmare.

That said, our lives have been way better than Jurgis'.

[BeHereNow]

53. I have a copy- found it in a local store.

I find my best books in thrift stores or used book stores.
You might call around locally, if you have any used book dealers
in your area.

I'll check with a friend; she may have a copy for sale.

BHN

[malaise]

56. I'm going to check the publisher

Lucky you.

[BeHereNow]

64. Doubleday/Page and Young 1906

Have you checked eBay?
I left a message with my friend who deals books,
if she doesn't have it, she can put the line out in her network,
and who knows?
BHN

[malaise]

66. Thanks n/t

[greenbriar]

60. I have one

we read it in college..

I wish there were a movie of it

[malaise]

62. I read it in grad school

and I'd love to watch the movie.