Baucus Bill Passes Committee - victory for reform, seriously.

[subcomhd]

Something had to get out of that committee for the process to move forward. Now it can be changed and improved (Lord knows it needs it.) We are going to get health care reform (including a good PO, the House progressives will see to it. Happy day!

[Cha]

1. Yes, it is a Victory but some are

still complaining because they refuse to understand what's really going on.

berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 01:33 PM
Original message

Why Health Care Reform Dies if the Baucus Bill is Killed in Committee

Many people have asked why do we need the Senate Finance Committee... and wouldn't no bill be better than a bad bill (from this committee). The answer is simply that there will be no bill in the Senate unless the Baucus bill is passed out of committee. The HCR reform bill was referred to two committees, jointly, in the Senate and as such, they must report combined legislation. The HELP committee bill jurisdiction lies with structuring the reform, while the Finance Committee jurisdiction lies in how to pay for it. If either committee kills the bill, the bill dies, period (legal text below). If both bills pass committee, then the Senate must reconcile them in conference for a vote. If the bill passes the Senate (with 51 votes), it must be reconciled with the House version.

However, if the Senate Finance Committee kills the bill, the matter is dropped entirely (the HELP bill gets no consideration), or it is referred back to committee again, and we start from square one. Given that the players aren't going to change hands, and only one member of the Senate Finance Committee is up for re-election and Senators are on 6-year cycles, the matter will likely not be reconsidered for the next 4-6 years, if ever.

Here are the rules of the Senate which cover what will happen if the Bill fails to leave committee:

http://rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Rul...



RULE XVII

REFERENCE TO COMMITTEES; MOTIONS TO DISCHARGE; REPORTS OF COMMITTEES; AND HEARINGS AVAILABLE

1. Except as provided in paragraph 3, in any case in which a controversy arises as to the jurisdiction of any committee with respect to any proposed legislation, the question of jurisdiction shall be decided by the presiding officer, without debate, in favor of the committee which has jurisdiction over the subject matter which predominates in such proposed legislation; but such decision shall be subject to an appeal.

2. A motion simply to refer shall not be open to amendment, except to add instructions.

3. (a) Upon motion by both the majority leader or his designee and the minority leader or his designee, proposed legislation may be referred to two or more committees jointly or sequentially. Notice of such motion and the proposed legislation to which it relates shall be printed in the Congressional Record. The motion shall be privileged, but it shall not be in order until the Congressional Record in which the notice is printed has been available to Senators for at least twenty-four hours. No amendment to any such motion shall be in order except amendments to any instructions contained therein. Debate on any such motion, and all amendments thereto and debatable motions and appeals in connection therewith, shall be limited to not more than two hours, the time to be equally divided between, and controlled by, the majority leader and the minority leader or their designees.

(b) Proposed legislation which is referred to two or more committees jointly may be reported only by such committees jointly and only one report may accompany any proposed legislation so jointly reported.

(c) A motion to refer any proposed legislation to two or more committees sequentially shall specify the order of referral.

(d) Any motion under this paragraph may specify the portion or portions of proposed legislation to be considered by the committees, or any of them, to which such proposed legislation is referred, and such committees or committee shall be limited, in the consideration of such proposed legislation, to the portion or portions so specified.

(e) Any motion under this subparagraph may contain instructions with respect to the time allowed for consideration by the committees, or any of them, to which proposed legislation is referred and the discharge of such committees, or any of them, from further consideration of such proposed legislation.

4. (a) All reports of committees and motions to discharge a committee from the consideration of a subject, and all subjects from which a committee shall be discharged, shall lie over one day for consideration, unless by unanimous consent the Senate shall otherwise direct.

(b) Whenever any committee (except the Committee on Appropriations) has reported any measure, by action taken in conformity with the requirements of paragraph 7 of rule XXVI, no point of order shall lie with respect to that measure on the ground that hearings upon that measure by the committee were not conducted in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 4 of rule XXVI.

5. Any measure or matter reported by any standing committee shall not be considered in the Senate unless the report of that committee upon that measure or matter has been available to Members for at least two calendar days (excluding Sundays and legal holidays) prior to the consideration of that measure or matter. If hearings have been held on any such measure or matter so reported, the committee reporting the measure or matter shall make every reasonable effort to have such hearings printed and available for distribution to the Members of the Senate prior to the consideration of such measure or matter in the Senate. This paragraph

(1) may be waived by joint agreement of the Majority Leader and the Minority Leader of the Senate; and

(2) shall not apply to

(A) any measure for the declaration of war, or the declaration of a national emergency, by the Congress, and

(B) any executive decision, determination, or action which would become, or continue to be, effective unless disapproved or otherwise invalidated by one or both Houses of Congress.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6765334

[subcomhd]

2. Even if the text of the bill read

"my cats breath smells like cat food" it would still be progress because the process now moves forward. Anyone who hates this bill (like ME) should write to House members and make sure they stand firm on a PO. Sure, piss on the bill all you want - just do it to the right people. Let's get a good bill, people. Bitching about real or perceived slights from Obama won't get a good bill. Constructive letter writing and petitioning of the right congressmen will.

[Cha]

3. Amen to

that!

[ka4life04]

4. Constitutionality.

I seem to be surrounded by conservatives, and when the topic comes up about healthcare, they always want to know which enumerated power granted to congress provides the authority to provide citizens with taxpayer funded healthcare. I have also ben told that the preamble to the Constitution in not an enumerated power. I hope someone can help me out here.

[subcomhd]

5. Article I Sec. 8.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html