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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:13 PM
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A New Wrinkle in the JFK Assassination Story(LBJ Broke Down)
Source: Huffington Post

This month will mark the 46th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. A recently declassified oral history by Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, President Kennedy's military aide on the Dallas trip, sheds new light on the critical hours after the shooting. McHugh makes startling claims about Lyndon Johnson's behavior in the wake of the assassination.

The interview with McHugh, originally conducted for the John F. Kennedy Library in 1978, remained closed for 31 years. It was finally declassified in the spring of 2009. I just happened to be working at the Kennedy Library on the day the interview was opened to the public and have used it for the first time in my new book, The Kennedy Assassination -- 24 Hours After.

After being informed at Parkland Hospital that Kennedy was dead, Johnson raced back to Air Force One, where he waited for Mrs. Kennedy and the body of the slain president, and made preparations to take the Oath of Office. Back at the hospital, the Kennedy group loaded the body into a coffin, forced their way past a local justice of the peace, and hurried back to Love Field for the long ride back to Washington.

It was standard practice for the plane to take off as soon as the commander-in-chief was onboard. Even after McHugh had ordered the pilot to take off, however, "nothing happened." According to the newly declassified transcript, Mrs. Kennedy was becoming desperate to leave. "Mrs. Kennedy was getting very warm, she had blood all over her hat, her coat...his brains were sticking on her hat. It was dreadful," McHugh said. She pleaded with him to get the plane off the ground. "Please, let's leave," she said. McHugh jumped up and used the phone near the rear compartment to call Captain James Swindal. "Let's leave," he said. Swindal responded: "I can't do it. I have orders to wait." Not wanting to make a scene in front of Mrs. Kennedy, McHugh rushed to the front of the plane. "Swindal, what on earth is going on?" The pilot told him that "the President wants to remain in this area."

McHugh, like most members of the Kennedy entourage, did not know that Johnson was onboard. They believed that the new president was on his own plane flying back to Washington. If LBJ was on the plane, McHugh wanted to see for himself. Since he had not seen Johnson in the aisle -- and at 6'4" Johnson would be tough to miss -- McHugh assumed that he must then be in the bedroom. When he checked there Johnson was nowhere to be seen. The only place on the plane he had not inspected was the bathroom in the presidential bedroom.

What McHugh claimed to have witnessed next was shocking. "I walked in the toilet, in the powder room, and there he was hiding, with the curtain closed," McHugh recalled. He claimed that LBJ was crying, "They're going to get us all. It's a plot. It's a plot. It's going to get us all.'" According to the General, Johnson "was hysterical, sitting down on the john there alone in this thing."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gillon/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-jfk_b_339026.html

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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:30 PM
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1. "They are going to get us all"--who exactly are "they"?
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 10:30 PM by Mrs. Overall
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:37 PM
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2. CIA?
:shrug:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:57 PM
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6. His pals n/t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 11:18 PM
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7. Scientologists. nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 04:45 AM
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13. "Smirk" - Mr. What's Troubling You Is The Nature of My Game
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 04:46 AM by SpiralHawk
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:37 PM
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16. Read "Farewell America"....

based on some of the earliest investigations by Robert Kennedy, much of this information was leaked to French Intelligence. In time we may learn that this information, which was kept hidden from the US for so long, played an important role in preventing the US from going to war directly with the Soviets, which the far right was always pushing for. What Nixon called "the Bay of Pigs thing", I believe, had far more to it than just plots to kill JFK.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:42 PM
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3. More precisely them.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:51 PM
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4. If true, should take LBJ off the 'they' list. I kinda figured he belonged there.
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 10:52 PM by Bobbieo
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:56 PM
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5. This is not new. But I'm sure the author will be happy if it goes viral.
If you look closely at LBJ's comments, it's not clear he's disclosing more than his own well justified fear in the moment.
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ezgoingrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 11:43 PM
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8. Well, if I had been through what he'd been through that day
I may have been found in the bathroom saying much the same thing. The world just exploded, I'd be freaked out too.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 12:35 AM
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9. I imagine "they" was a big fuzzy blur at that moment.
Since the rest of the country had no idea who else might be killed, where the murder came from or if there was some grand plan involved, I'm not a bit surprised that he suddenly balked at putting a target on his back.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 12:37 AM
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10. yeah, but lbj was crying before the assassination. you know, for his part in it...
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:39 AM
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11. Previous GD DU LINK to same article.
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:50 AM
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12. LBJ was made to watch JFK die
So that he would know on which side his bread was buttered when it beccame his turn. He probably had no fore-knowledge, but was quick to understand his role in covering up for the plotters. JFK's killing emasculated LBJ; he wasn't the man he was in congress, and eventually he quit.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 05:54 AM
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14. I dont' think anybody believed me but
from day one I thought, and still do, somehow Connelly was on the side of the republicans and they had something to do with it. WHY after all the chances they had would they wait til Texas. Where they had complete control of everything. I will never believe anything otherwise that the republicans were not involved. THEY KNEW THEY WOULD Kennedy would push laws against their corporate masters and they wanted him out. LBJ would be easier to control...Even tho Connelly was hit, and I think it was an accident, HE WAS involved.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:22 PM
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15. if you want to know more about "they," read JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
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