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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:23 PM
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Digby: Cops Murder Drunk Trying to Avoid Tasering
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Cops Murder Drunk Trying to Avoid Tasering

Posted by Digby, Hullabaloo at 3:17 PM on November 2, 2009.

A chilling tale.




A drunk man tries to get away from the tasering and so they shot him dead:

“We’re really concerned about a guy leaving the parking lot of Chuckwagon (Inn) on Evergreen Way — in a white Corvette, he’s extremely intoxicated,” Tribble told the dispatcher.

Several officers from the Everett (Wash.) Police Department soon arrived; among them were Troy Meade, an 11-year-veteran, and Officer Steven Klocker. Meade arrived at about 11:39 PM; Klocker reached the scene a little less than five minutes later.

At the time Officer Meade arrived, Meservey was hedged in by cars on either side of his Corvette, and cut off by a parking lot fence in front of him. Meade pulled up behind Meservey’s car, effectively boxing him in.

Joanne Hancock, who was smoking outside the Chuckwagon Inn when the police arrived, went inside to tell others concerned about Meservey that “They’ve got him!” The news prompted a small group of people to go outside to watch the arrest.

By the time Klocker arrived to provide “backup,” Meade had spent perhaps five minutes trying to convince Meservey to get out of the car. Klocker would later report that Meade’s tone and attitude toward the intoxicated man were “belligerent,” and that he “used language which made him uncomfortable because of the nearby civilians.”

“I don’t know why the f**k I am trying to save your dumb ass,” Meade snarled at Meservey, according to Klocker’s account.

Both Meade and Klocker withdrew their portable electro-shock torture devices (more commonly called Tasers). Meade, who was closest to the driver, shot Meservey with his Taser through the open driver’s side window, inflicting two separate strikes — one five seconds long, the other six seconds’ duration.

“Why in the f**k did you do that?” muttered the drunken man, who — predictably enough — didn’t want to stick around for any more abuse. He reached for his keys and started the car, but he had nowhere to go: It lurched over a concrete curb and ran into an unyielding chain-link fence.

Bear in mind, once again, that Meservey was entirely boxed in. It was possible, albeit with some difficulty, for Officer Meade to reach through the window and seize the car keys, rather than escalating the situation by using potentially deadly force.

But Meade’s pointless escalation didn’t stop with the two Taser strikes. After Meservey’s brief attempt to drive away, Meade — according to the official police account — took up a position near the left rear wheel of the Corvette, and pulled his gun. “Time to end this,” bellowed Meade, according to Klocker. “Enough is enough.” From a distance of six to seven feet, Meade fired eight shots into the car, murdering Meservey.


Read the whole thing. It's quite a story.

As the excerpt points out, they could have reached in and tried to get the keys out of the ignition. But they tasered him twice while he was sitting behind the wheel and his human instinct was to get away. He was, after all drunk. And when he reacted, the officer killed him.

There are still laws against shooting someone dead with a bullet even if shooting them dead with a taser is often considered the victim's own fault. But it's clear that using the taser in that circumstance was a factor that led to the the man's death.

Police officers are routinely resorting to the taser against mentally ill and drunk citizens with catastrophic results. I guess we all have to understand that in America not being in your right mind is a capital crime for which we aren't necessarily allowed due process. Good to know.


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143679/cops_murder_drunk_trying_to_avoid_tasering/


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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:27 PM
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1. Yay, cops!
They're the best!
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:29 PM
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2. The tone of that article is such
that any conclusion drawn from reading it is suspect as all hell.

Agitprop is fine, but damn -- make it competent!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:33 PM
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3. It's hard to take an article seriously when the source is this clearly biased.
:shrug:
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:36 PM
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4. I believe charges have been filed against the police officer
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,1921657,00.html

<snip>
The officer had enough arguing with the drunken man behind the wheel of a white Corvette.

“Time to end this; enough is enough,” Everett police officer Troy Meade allegedly said before firing eight shots through the car's rear window.

Meade, 41, was charged Monday in Snohomish County Superior Court with first-degree manslaughter in the death of Niles L. Meservey.
<anip>
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:18 PM
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5. 1st report I heard he let off the brake (automatic) when tasered-his car moved of course
So they shot him...

The PNW is known for having trigger happy cops. I was amazed moving to Portland Oregon of the almost monthly PD shooting. It's gotten some attention but not nearly what I would label justice.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:52 PM
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6. you are aware he has been CHARGED criminally are you? you make no mention of this
or are you not?

iow, yes this was a travesty, and YES, justice is being administered.



http://heraldnet.com/article/20091027/NEWS01/710279887

your ludicrous anti-taser propaganda, i'll ignore :)

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:53 PM
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7. Umm.....I posted an article.....Who's the "You" you're referring to?
nt
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:57 PM
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8. it appears to me
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 10:58 PM by paulsby
that there is an excerpt posted AND commenting on it.

i am referring to your comments about the routine abuse of tasers, bla bla

or your laughable claim about people being shot dead with tasers.

if that is NOT your commentary, then i stand corrected.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:59 PM
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10. You stand corrected.....I thought the by Digby at Hullabaloo at the top of the story....
...... and the link to it, were dead giveaways.

But perhaps those concepts are too obtuse.... :think:


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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:04 PM
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11. apparently
*i* am too obtuse

i apologize for blaming you for those comments.

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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:59 PM
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9. Anti-taser propaganda?
Geez that's quite a turn of the phrase. Are you involved in the pro-taser community?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:08 PM
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14. yes, propaganda
i've challenged people to produce autopsy reports that list tasers as a cause

i also know that i've been tased twice (i volunteered), i know officers who have been tased over 2 dozen times, and literally THOUSANDS of officers nationwide have been tased.

deaths?

ZERO

most of the deaths attributed to tasers are due to a combination of factors, such as unhealthy and/or malnourished suspects, combined with massive adrenaline dump (fight or flight response) , combined with polydrug combos, etc.

see: excited delirium

such factors have ALWAYS resulted in in-custody deaths, and long before tasers were even invented. it is NOT the tasers.

fwiw, i once had a guy stop breathing on me after about a 5 minute (and that's a LOOOOOONG TIME to be wrestling) wrestling match to get him into handcuffs. no taser was used, but IF it had been , you would be blaming it.

fortunately, we (the fire crew and I) got him breathing again (I used to work as a firefighter, fwiw), but he easily could have died.

the science is clear. tasers are remarkably safe. ANY use of force, even a baton strike to the leg, or a punch in the nose CAN in very rare cases result in death.

literally THOUSANDS of people are alive because of tasers.

every major police agency (iow, sufficient "n") that adopts tasers sees
1) officer injuries go down
2) suspect injuries go down
3) officer involved shootings go down
4) suspect deaths go down

hth

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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:03 AM
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15. You can tase yourself silly, but let's see this science?
Literally thousands saved? references, please.

Police use tasers to eliminate risk and "encourage" compliance. Bunch of fucking cowards use them regularly when they are unnecessary.

Maybe you can produce some evidence that is not pure propaganda created by the taser manufacturer?
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:06 PM
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12. Old news.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:08 PM
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13. Um... that's horribly "written"
Were these witnesses close enough to hear what was going on? And the rest of the "article" is such a joke....
I'm not doubting this happened, it obviously did, but c'mon! This is sensationalism!
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