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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:29 AM Original message |
Is Kucinich willing to go without health insurance? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good point. nt |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Thank you. nt |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. No - He Said He Would Not Be A Sell Out To DLCers, Blue Dog Dems, And Republicans |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. He voted with the sellout Blue Dog Dems and Republicans. n/t |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yes - They Would Not Vote For The Bill Anyway - False Equivalence |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. He said that no reform would be better than the reform on the table. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The Bill Passed Is Not Much In The Way Of Reform - Go Read The Democratic Party Platform |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. There is a difference between even "not much" and "nothing". |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Dennis was playing cards with Lieberman's deck tonight. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Go Read The Democratic Party Platform - He Voted with The Party |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. No, he grandstanded against the party's standard-bearer. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Per You - For Others He Stood Up For The Principles Of The Democratic Party |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. If you have an alternate Democratic Party, who am I to interfere, but the |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Well - All One Has To Do Is Read The Party Platform - If Your Real democrats Have Not |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:45 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. You can go indie at any time. I can't stop you. But DK voted |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Already Indie Because The So-Called democrats Have Forsaken Their Progressive Roots |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. One notes the self-aggrandizement in your position. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Sorry That everyone Cannot Be Satisfied - Have Always Supported Kucinich And Democratic Principles |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Kucinich should re-examine his own, then. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. The Party Platform Is Clear - Kucinich Voted The Party Platform |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:56 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Sorry. The bill was laid out clear and plain. He voted against it. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Sorry - The Bill Is Not In Agreement With The Parties Stated Platform |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:00 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Your Church Lady thing has nothing to do with the bill at hand or |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:11 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Shall we make that an "IOU" to be handed out to those without insurance... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
64. Go read the republican platform. |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
62. unfortunately, on this issue, the party's "standard bearer" |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Amazing - Folks should be mad as hell that we are not being listened to by our majority. But instead |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. I doubt it. |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. I suppose this bill is like DADT |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. Are you seriously conflating healthcare with DADT? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. This bill was awful |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. The DLCers, Blue Dogs, Insurance Companies Are Ecstatic |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
43. I think you missed the memo. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. So because I can't afford insurance, I'll be fined & sent to jail. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
45. You seem to be missing the bit about subsidies. nt |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. It was what it was. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Well I guess he could forgo his insurance and go to prison now |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:46 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I am honestly less worried about 2010 than I am about my own mother... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I have one too |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
12. Dennis supports single payer, which would cover everyone |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Unfortunately, Dennis did not get to vote for "nothing" or "single payer". |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
18. I seem to recall Dennis saying that everyone should have the same |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. So, if not single payer, then the status quo? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
22. I'll take a Grijalva over Kucinich any day of the week |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
28. Forced by law to pay insurance companies money? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Congratulations on your good health. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
37. I can't speak for him but... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:25 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. I will. |
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Yellow Horse (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. Can't DK figure this out by himself? That a lot of people can't afford to wait for "perfect"? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. That mindset only applies to the military |
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Yellow Horse (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
42. He did the same thing with Voter Verified Paper Ballots... |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
47. If he really said that, |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
48. He is willing to take a principled stand.... one I respect... |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
49. Kucinish stood up against big insurance & mandates. |
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ThePantaloon.com (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:52 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. He didn't stand up to shit |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 05:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Standing up to shit makes a mess, just like this bill. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:50 AM Response to Original message |
50. Psh... Everyone knows that DK doesn't need health care. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:51 AM Response to Original message |
51. Exactly. That's what I asked on another thread. Kucinich can afford to wait |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Yes. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
53. The way I see it, Dennis voted against ignoring the healthcare issue for another decade or two. |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 05:01 AM Response to Original message |
54. I imagine he's done it before |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
55. I don't have insurance and would probably get a subsidy under this bill.. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
61. We've gone from "health care reform" to "health insurance reform." |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. No, this still counts as "health care reform". |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
65. No, and that is why he is pushing a plan that would cover ALL Americans |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. He voted against a plan that would cover 96% of Americans. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. This bill covers hardly anyone, it mandates that we buy coverage |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Um, hate to say it but single-payer ain't free. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I never said it was free, but it costs a hell of a lot less than our current system |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
68. Why should he? |
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happy2bhere (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
71. I wish someone would help me out |
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