Do you consider it abortion when a doctor causes a dead fetus to be expelled

[JDPriestly]

from the mother's body? Could the abortion restriction prevent insurance coverage for that procedure which can be so vital to a mother's health?

Sorry if this strikes you as a stupid question.

[valerief]

1. Maybe we can imprison women who have miscarriages, too. nt

[sandnsea]

2. Hyde allows for abortions for women's life

and a dead fetus in a woman's body would definitely threaten to cause an infection and kill her.

I do not know why we have to use such ridiculous scare tactics to try to resolve this issue.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. and for rape and incest, that's what Stupak would cover

[xultar]

3. nope. But I guess why ask us. It's the dumbass repukes you gotta ask.

They don't care about the mother.

[Raven]

4. Nope, not a stupid question. Used to be called a D&C.

[DemBones DemBones]

5. If the embryo or fetus is dead, it's not abortion

to remove the body.

[orpupilofnature57]

6. Splitting hairs on a womens life is stupid.I believe your talking about a

stillbirth.

[TwilightGardener]

8. No. Inducing labor for a stillborn is not abortion. That's a medical necessity, anyway--

so even if it's miscategorized as abortion for some reason, it should be covered.

[Kelvin Mace]

9. Not a stupid question at all

And this is at the heart of the Stupid, I mean Stupak Amendment.

If a dead fetus is expelled by the mothers body without medical intervention, it is a "miscarriage". If drugs or a surgical procedure is employed, it is an "abortion". These are the technical medical designations.

[sandnsea]

15. It is a stupid question

As if for 32 years they've been letting women walk around with dead fetuses in their wombs.

It really doesn't get any stupider than to pretend this is a reasonable question.

[PeaceNikki]

19. Oh yes they do

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6960206#6964207

[sandnsea]

20. And?

That post said nothing about women who had miscarriages.

And for the record - I'm one of the very few on DU who is willing to say I'm pro-abortion. It isn't a tragedy, it isn't a sin, it's the removal of cells just like happens in a miscarriage all the time. We don't weep over menstrual periods, there's no reason to weep over an abortion.

[JDPriestly]

24. I'm not talking about a miscarriage. I am talking about the removal

of a dead fetus that does not miscarry. And I'm pro-choice. As I explained, I asked due to something that happened in my family many years ago.

[JDPriestly]

23. I asked because before abortion was legal, one of my relatives

suffered permanent damage due to the fact that she carried a dead fetus almost to term. It may be that the doctor just did not know what to do, but, although she lived, it was very bad for her and seriously injured her. That is why I wanted to know. This would have been maybe 60 years ago.

[Johonny]

29. that is my understanding too

So it isn't a stupid question at all. It's unclear if abortion bans would ban these procedures. Clearly abortion bans will make doctors less likely to want to find out. If you induce labor on a viable fetus at say 9 1/2 months is that going to be ok? What if the fetus dies in birth after an induced labor? What about other artificial birth methods? It's not clear how well thought out these subjects are on the people that want to "ban" abortion or at least ban paying. Medicine is way different than it was 30-40 years ago. It's going to get even more advanced and options doctors and patients can choose are going to get more and more complicated not easier. Many people do not have clear coherent positions. Many have the W answer. "It's easy you're either for it or against it". I find such stances a non-starter to any discussion on the topic. The topic is very hard and extremely complicated. It's going to get a lot harder in the future.

[AndyA]

10. I consider it abortion when a human life is aborted before its time by war.

Especially so if the war was started based on lies.

If people are going to be against abortion, they ought to consider it for the LIFE OF THE SPIRIT, not just the first few months.

[JVS]

11. It's preventing the miracle of the baby coming back to life in the womb!!!!

And that makes baby Jesus cry.

:sarcasm:

[Ruby the Liberal]

12. No, I do not. Even if it was, this goes directly to health of the mother.

[slackmaster]

13. No, that's just an extraction

Could the abortion restriction prevent insurance coverage for that procedure which can be so vital to a mother's health?

I certainly hope not.

[bluestateguy]

14. Yes, it's abortion, but I believe the Hyde and Stupak amendments do not prohibit funding that

If they do then that needs to change.

[JDPriestly]

25. Good. My question was perhaps stupid, but this is a serious health issue.

I hope those amendments do not prohibit funding for that.

[Marlana]

16. I had a friend who had this exact situation.

Had a miscarriage and needed a D&C, her insurance considered it an elective abortion and she had to pay for it out of pocket or wait until Sepsis set in, then it would be a threat to her health. She was in the military at the time & they told her paying for the procedure was banned under the Hyde amendment.

[sandnsea]

18. I'll call bullshit

I've known plenty of women in the military, on Medicaid, every other federal program, who had miscarriages and they did not have to pay to have the fetus removed.

[DemBones DemBones]

21. Me, too. Abortion requires killing a live embryo or fetus,

not removing one that died of natural causes.

[JDPriestly]

26. That is what I fear. Thanks for the information, Mariana.

This is criminal. As I stated above, I had a relative who was permanently injured because she carried a dead fetus. The crime here is not permitting the woman to make a decision or charging her if she decides to make the right decision for her health.

[PDJane]

17. Abortion should not be prevented by law, regardless.

There's no justification for it, period. This is insanity, and it is subverting Roe vs. Wade without a concensus.

I was hoping that we (meaning humans in general) would get much smarter about this stuff.

[Gman]

22. Nope... that's a spontaneous abortion

which can happen naturally. It's covered as I believe the usual procedure is what used to be called a D and C. In fact, many physicians will do an abortion and bill it out as a D and C.

[johnnie]

27. The way I think of that is..

Nature aborted the baby and the doctor extracted it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

28. Nope.