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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:10 PM
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Pelosi speaking, she is saying:
Affordability, accountability, accessibility is the goal.
Hoyer says hopeful bill will pass, blah blah blah...moved further than any time in history,
blah blah blah.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:11 PM
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1. In other words, we are going to fold to the Senate bill.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:12 PM
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2. You must be watching re-runs of "Health Care Reform: The Miniseries."
I saw that already. It doesn't end well.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:13 PM
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3. delete dupe. And how did that dupe happen?
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 03:13 PM by tblue
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:11 PM
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20. Diebold software?
That is how Bush won in 2004, the machines made double votes for Bush, just like the software on DU is doing.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:13 PM
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4. Ok, all the key players are taking turns liningout their hopes and plans
and that they have to combine the bills.
Pelosi praising Obama for his leadership, vision and courage.

Wants final product to have...repeat the 3 A's as posted above.

Pelosi.....dodged question about public option, says she prefers to call it
affordability and accountability.
Key point: someday insurance company will be crying out for public option.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:15 PM
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6. 'affordability and accountability' code for: Working Class fucked again
:puke:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:38 PM
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13. Of course. At least they're consistent
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 03:38 PM by laughingliberal
And by 'they' I mean our corporate owned 'elected' leaders.

edited for spelling
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:19 PM
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8. In other words, the Public Option is off the table. n/t
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:29 PM
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10. And that's exactly where the Senate, not Pelosi put it.
How the hell can Pelosi be blamed for what the Senate does when her House bill did have a public option?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:40 PM
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14. True, wonder if she'll push for any changes to the Senate bill
Like tanking the middle class tax increase or ratcheting down the community ratings model?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:41 PM
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16. It sucks for the House, but I don't think there is a lot of push room available. n/t
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:03 PM
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19. That's why I didn't give any quarter to those saying we had to pass the bill in the Senate so it
could go to conference with the House and be 'improved.' Everyone who was pushing that line was either incredibly naive or have decided that destroying the working and middle class is an acceptable way to reform health care. Or they have no idea what the far reaching ramifications of this bill are really going to be.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:14 PM
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5. Yep.. public option has been renamed and re-driected.
Pelosi just waffled away from PO.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:15 PM
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7. Agreed n/t
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:20 PM
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9. Does "affordability" mean lowering per capita costs, or passing them around in a shell game?
Will this go away, or will middle class union workers just be taxed to pay for someone else's healhcare?

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:37 PM
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12. I'm gonna go with passing them around in a shell.
Round and round and round she goes, where she stops nobody knows. Oh, wait we do know. They land on us.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:31 PM
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11. OUTSTANDING!
Because the most affordable, accountable and accessible system is single payer. Every analysis from the CBO on down agrees with that. Go Nancy!

What?

Oh.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:41 PM
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15. people who unrec when OPs of their dem leaders look like sellouts
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 03:41 PM by Mari333
make me think of little sailors on the Titanic using buckets to try and bail out the ship as it sinks.
Its kind of funny.
knr
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:47 PM
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17. Affordability for the corporations offering plans to high wage earners.
Accountability for those who would try to get out from under paying a monthly fee for a service that they will never be able to afford to actually use.

Accessibility for the insurance companies to a whole new set of customers who will be forced to buy.

I wonder how long it will take for the Congress to raise the tobacco taxes, so that the half-ass subsidies for portions of the Health Insurance bills of the poor can be financed by "sinners", like SCHIP is... ? I suppose once the unions find it impossible to continue to negotiate quality insurance benefits because the companies they are negotiating with will demand too many other concessions... and the taxes on those plans start to drop off...

I think I need a drink. Before they start taxing alcohol to pay for health care too.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:47 PM
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18. They should try putting their excuses to music and sing them. They've got the lyrics down pat. K&R
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