Should smoking be banned in bars?

[LoZoccolo]

Poll question: Should smoking be banned in bars?

[hedgehog]

1. Is there exposure to second hand smoke from a flamewar?

;-)

[spoony]

3. And if so, how does one eat popcorn through a gas mask?

This is very troubling!

[Bucky]

108. It's possible; you just have to suck harder.

But perhaps you already knew that.

[XemaSab]

2. I love bars

and I love them more when I am not choking to death on some asshole's smoke.

[Mojambo]

4. Same here. n/t

[Kalyke]

21. I love them more when your self-righteous ass isn't there.

Go to a restaurant.

Let the smokers have the bars.

[harkadog]

+1

[MercutioATC]

43. +2

[we can do it]

82. +1

I don't want to smell like a turd or have my contacts ruined to go out with friends.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. Yes, it should be.

California recently did this, and the people who work there or drink there are happy.

Second-hand smoke is a Class A carcinogen.

[Webster Green]

18. I thought CA did it some time ago

Seems like its been 10 or 15 years now.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

32. It has been awhile, but I'm not sure how long.

You could be right.

[Codeine]

64. 1995 for restaurants, 1998 for bars.

[Kalyke]

22. Yet, another reason never to go to California.

Thanks!

[Webster Green]

39. Are you actually in Tennesee?

Dissing California.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in the Southeast. :rofl:

[Luminous Animal]

52. Tennessee is quite beautiful.

I remember when cities in California were going through the controversy of banning smokers from restaurants and bars, we heard the same arguments and yet, the bars and restaurants are still open and thriving, a lot of owners came to realize that it was cheaper to run bars without expensive ventilation equipment and labor to clean off cigarette smoke goo.

[Webster Green]

94. The whole southeast is very beautiful!

No doubt about that!

I hate it because it's so fucking uncivilized.

I choose to live in the most civilized place on the planet, and it is indeed beautiful here as well. (Northern California). :hippie:

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

76. Apparently so.

FYI, this poster was once banned under the handle "clark2008".

[Name removed]

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[Bill McBlueState]

95. you're missing a lot

If you ever get over your problem, you should take a drive up the coastal highway. Unforgettable.

[aquart]

6. In NYC, first they insisted a little teeny bit be set aside for non-smokers.

So many people asked for non-smoking tables that eventually the non-smoking section was most of the restaurant/bar, and the smoking section was the little teeny bit.

So many people weren't going out because of the smoke, it gave them a chance to breathe in public again.

Selfish smokers, of course, never gave them a thought for decades and still don't.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. "Selfish smokers, of course, never gave them a thought for decades and still don't."

That's what cracks me up the most about smokers - Now that smoking is being banned, all the sudden, all smokers claimed to be considerate.

I recently had the dis-pleasure of eating in the "non-smoking" section of a Michigan bar/restaurant. The pigs sitting across the isle smoked like fucking chimneys every second EXCEPT when their food arrived. They set their butts down a few minutes while they shoveled food down their throats only to light up as soon as it was convenient to themselves. Pigs like that don't want to ruin THEIR meal with their own smoke so why should they be able to ruin MY meal with their foul stench?

[Luminous Animal]

57. Those smokers were being considerate.

They were sitting in the smoking section of the restaurant that was provided for them by the owners of the establishment. Your beef is not with the smokers but with the owners. They are allowed to ruin your meal because the law and the owners sanction it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

84. Thanks, Captain Obvious. Yes, they WERE allowed. That's kinda the point.

And now, thanks to legislation, the piggish smokers won't be allowed to ruin any more meals.

[aquart]

124. Addicts only consider their addiction.

[Cleita]

7. Bars should be banned. They only provide places for

fat Republican politicians to make deals. Everyone else should be home smoking and watching TV so they can get a whole new load of commercial brainwashing to keep them docile. I mean, the idea that working class people go out, have a few beers, play a few games of pool or darts and maybe watch a football game with their peers is disgusting. They should be spending that money keeping Wall Street solvent.

[Lex]

8. In NC, it is already. nt

[Luminous Animal]

9. Yes. And I smoke.

[gateley]

11. Yes and no. I think there should be smoking bars and non-smoking bars.

They're restricting outdoor areas where people can smoke. Let them have a place to drink, visit with friends and relax -- among fellow smokers. And let the non-smokers have the same type of place where they won't be bothered by the smoke. Why does it have to be either/or?

[apocalypsehow]

14. I agree, and no one loathes obnoxious cig smoke more than me. But no one is forcing me to go into

a bar where smoking is allowed. Just as no one is forcing a smoker to go into a bar where smoking is banned.

But that reasonable shoe never seems to get on the other foot: smoking is so de classe to a certain brand of phony "progressive" that the issue boils down to one of simple contempt for people who like to pollute their bodies with cigarette smoke, all the while the very same phonies are reaching for an Eclair....

[Kalyke]

23. I'd rather smoke than eat pork or HFCS.

I don't have an unhealthy bone in my body and I just hit 40.

[ElboRuum]

30. I smoke WHILE eating pork and slugging down soft drinks...

...Sleeper was a documentary you know.

[spoony]

31. Bones, ok. How about...organs?

Lol. Seriously, though, calm down. You may think you're in perfect health but smoking AND the elevated blood pressure from raging all over this thread can't be good for you.

[Sebastian Doyle]

137. If you smoke, your bones are probably not as healthy as you think.

Those poisons you fill your lungs with are also leeching calcium from your bones. You might not notice it at 40, but you will eventually.

[Dulcinea]

116. Agreed.

In GA, where I live, the individual establishment can decide whether or not to allow smoking. If they do choose to allow it, no one under 18 can work there or go inside. There's a place for everyone, smokers & non-smokers alike. That seems fair to me.

Freedom of choice, people! This is America!

[rd_kent]

125. Separate but equal, huh? Didn't that get tried a few years a go? How did that work out?

[verges]

130. That's right!!!

Let the market decide! We all know that's the only way and the American way to decide!!:eyes:

[Alias Dictus Tyrant]

12. I can't stand smoke...

...but I strongly object to banning smoking in bars. I would never, ever go to such a place, but I find it extremely objectionable on the grounds of individual liberty and freedom of association to not let people kill themselves in whatever way they see fit. If we are going to ban smoking, you better damn well ban McDonald's -- which is at least as objectionable -- or we are nothing but self-serving hypocrites.

I can't stand cigarette smoke, but I can't stand whiny hypocrites at least as much. No one is forcing me to go to such places, and I don't. The "second-hand smoke" is pretty low on the list of environmental hazards in most locales.

[Luminous Animal]

16. It only takes one smoker to fuck up an entire bar.

And smokers are still free to go kill themselves out on the sidewalk.

[Kalyke]

26. And it only takes one "nanny" to fuck up a good time

Think about it.

[Luminous Animal]

37. I've not once had less of a good time since I've had to go smoke outside.

There are a few smoking bars left in San Francisco (maybe 10%). I prefer to hang out in the nonsmoking bars. People seem happier there.

[MercutioATC]

44. Try it in Cleveland in February.

Definitely less fun at 5 degrees with a 20-mph wind.

[Luminous Animal]

49. Or Michigan. Where I stayed at my brother's house for the holidays.

Oh the horror the horror of not being able to smoke in his nonsmoking house.

Sure it was damn cold, but I got my quick fix and went back inside to enjoy the company of friends and family.

If bars in Cleveland are worried about losing business, maybe they can make some outdoor accommodations like San Francisco did. Some bars put up awnings to protect smokers from rain, some others opened up back patios with heat lamps that previously had accumulated junk. One place I read about, converted an old bus into a smoking lounge and parked it out front of the bar.

Y'all will get used to it and perhaps you'll even make new friends with members of the vast majority of nonsmokers who might now venture into their neighborhood bar.

[MercutioATC]

70. ...or, maybe, it should be the bar owners' decision...

There are restaurants in my neighborhood that have always been non-smoking...and they did well. If there's a market for a non-smoking facility, owners will accommodate.

Non-smokers have no more right to demand that bars and restaurants be smoke-free than smokers have to demand that owners accommodate them by allowing them to smoke.

[Luminous Animal]

72. Nonsmoking bans in San Francisco originated out of concern for workers

not patrons. It was a matter of regulating a toxic work environment. Bar owners who actually own the building in which the bar resides are exempt. In a sense, it is considered their own house. And I know several bartenders and wait staff who smoke and who are happy with the ban. Especially the older ones. The constant smoky atmosphere started to take a toll on their health.

[MercutioATC]

78. It's an occupational hazard.

There's no law that guarantees a worker the right to both choose their workplace AND alter the normal business practices to accommodate them (at least, there shouldn't be).


Concerned about loud noise damaging your hearing? Don't be a roadie for a rock band.

Don't like smoke? Don't work in a bar or restaurant that allows smoking.

[proudohioan]

86. Lots of occupations take a toll on one's health.

And I don't see many people giving a shit about regulating THOSE "toxic" work environments.

[verges]

133. That's true!

Construction worker's are NEVER required to wear hardhats. Restaurant workers are never required to wash hands. Any damn fool is allowed to operate heavy machinery without qualifications. Chemical workers always exose bare skin. And hospitals? My god it's a toxic free for all with no regulation to protect the employees! Hell, OSHA really doesn't do anything since there are no safety requirements for any jobs.

[proudohioan]

85. A lot of bars in Cleveland are doing just that.

A little bar near my house has a pretty sweet little set up in back. It's definitely becoming more popular!

[Dr.Phool]

74. Florida banned smoking in bars that serve food, about 2 years before Cleveland.

But, most places have a dining area outside.

I met a friend for lunch at a place that sits on Tampa Bay. We both smoked, so we were seated on the deck over the bay.

It wasn't 5 minutes til some asshole was bitching, "How come they give all the best seats to the smokers"!?!? Hey, asshole! Hello.... You're the one who forced us outside.

[proudohioan]

83. I'm there with ya, buddy!

:fistbump:

[Bucky]

115. And it only takes one fuck for a nanny to have a good time!

Assuming, of course, that said nanny likes fucking.

[harkadog]

33. Non-smokers are free to stay on the sidewalk.

Never met a non-smoker in a bar who wasn't anti or non social. I guess they didn't learn social skills when they were young and now want to take out their bad times on the rest of us.

[Luminous Animal]

35. Well, I smoke and I hang out in bars in San Francisco,

which are non-smoking venues. I'm bar friends with many nonsmokers who are a lot of fun. Most of my close friends are nonsmokers, as well.

[Retired AF Dem]

148. There is no guarantees that you will live longer by not smoking

I personally know many smokers that have outlived nonsmokers in the same age group. Hell you could be driving down the road acting all smug and all on how you don't smoke only to be killed by some drunk driver leaving a smoke free bar.

[verges]

131. We're talking bars.

Not at home. Public smoking endangers other peoples health. Eating McDonald's doesn't.

[Maru Kitteh]

13. We hadn't been out to a bar in years because of the smoke. Since the ban we've

actually enjoyed going out a few times. We went dancing a couple of times and went out to enjoy some football games. It was great.

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[Luminous Animal]

38. Yep. Because once you are in a bar, they seal all the doors and windows...

and won't let you step out for a smoke.

[Codeine]

60. Can't go a few hours without your fix?

Pathetic and weak.

[Terra Alta]

15. in my state of NC a law recently went into effect

banning smoking in bars and restaurants. I think it is a great law. I love bars and I don't want to walk into one reeking of smoke.. not to mention this is a great law for people suffering from asthma. If you want to smoke do it outside or in your own home.

[Kalyke]

25. Restaurants in Tennessee are suffering.

We still allow smoking in over 21 clubs.

People go eat and leave, instead of lingering to drink in the restaurants. They go to over 21 clubs or home.

It's been that way since before the recession.

NC will suffer, now, too.

[Thothmes]

77. Virginia also recently pass a no smoking ban in bars and

restraunts. Smoking areas can exist in these establishments if the owner can provide a seperate are with access to bathrooms, seperate ventalation and a seperate access to the outside. Some bar owners have created seperate smoking areas, though it cost them a lot of money.

[donheld]

17. Already is in Colorado

[sam sarrha]

19. IT SHOULD BE BANNED IN FRONT OF MINORS..

[GoneOffShore]

80. So no one under 18 could watch "Casablanca"?

Teh Stupid is strong.

[sam sarrha]

144. 1080 0f the 1200 that die every day from tobacco addiction were addicted as children, 540 of them

were addicted 12 years old or younger.. tobacco stays in business thru addicting small children.. my father started smoking at 7. he died in my arms puking all his blood out all over me.. as the rest of the family shrieked and wailed and cried....

smart ass...

[GoneOffShore]

145. I'm more than happy to see smoking eliminated as a public health risk - BUT

To behave as if it never happened or happens is beyond stupid.

Sorry about your dad. But don't think you can stop stupid behavior by prohibitions.

[sam sarrha]

147. you can reduce the suffering thru school informatipn K-12, and regulating ingredients.. they put

things in it to make it more addictive

cynicism can be harmful to other peoples health

[Quantess]

20. West Coaster here.

Smoking banned in CA, then WA, then OR.
Ah, the sweet smell of success!

[Kalyke]

28. And, yet... you have far more pollution than my state does.

Wow... you did Sooooooooooo much!

:eyes:

[Quantess]

40. I'm a non-smoker, apparently you are not?

It doesn't matter.

All you really have to do is go outdoors to smoke your cigarette, and other smokers will join you. If you're popular, or if they need air, non-smoking friends will follow you outdoors while you smoke.

I am a non-smoker, and I am so grateful that my clothes don't stink anymore after coming home from a bar or a nightclub.

[Mojorabbit]

103. I am a nonsmoker now

but I smoked for years. I don't find it progressive that whether your clothes smell good or not to you is the criteria you are stating for denying others their ability to sit with friends and smoke. I am all for separate establishments and even though I am now a nonsmoker, I would hang out at the smoking bar because I found over the years that I prefer the company of smokers to nonsmokers and the reasons why are more apparent after I quit.

[ElboRuum]

27. Would much prefer banning smoking threads since they're just flamebait...

but whatever. More popcorn please? Yes. Trans-fat pseudobutter all over it.

[Iggo]

29. It already is.

:toast:

[frog92969]

34. No, that's ridicules.

If they're consuming one poison why should they care about another.

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. Again? Don't you ever get tired, or um... do you not remember the last time you posted this? n/t

[Taitertots]

41. It should not be banned, and I'm a non-smoker

If people actually wanted smoke free bars there would be smoke free bars without forcing it when they clearly don't want it.


To all the non-smokers: The bars you won't go to because they are smokey, don't want you there. That is why they smoke even thou you don't like it.

[Luminous Animal]

45. All bars are smokey when only one person is smoking.

That is, it is impossible to have a nonsmoking bar when even one person smoking in it. The majority may want to have a nonsmoking bar but once one person lights up, there is no other option.

[Taitertots]

47. Someone locked the doors?

No one is making you go to those bars.

If it is a problem you are more than welcome to leave. If it bothered them they can leave.

You know when a business does things I don't like, then I don't go there. I don't cry about it until the majority are forced to change.

[Luminous Animal]

53. You are assuming that the majority of people in bars are smokers.

[Sgent]

48. Just go to a nonsmoking bar

here in New Orleans where smoking is still legal in bars, many bars a non-smoking anyway. There is no law that says bars can't restrict the smoking of their customers.

[Luminous Animal]

56. Many? Not when I was there.

[Sgent]

65. I guess it depends on what kind of bar you go to

but of the dozen or so bars in my area of town, 4 are non-smoking, and 7 are smoking. I know many people who go almost exclusively to the non-smoking bars.

[Luminous Animal]

69. 4 + 7 = 11

You've omitted 1 or more bars in your dozen or so assessment.

But I jest!

If you don't mind, could you PM me the name of those bars? My husband and I love New Orleans and we are going back next Christmas. He's a nonsmoker and it would be a real treat for him.

[Luminous Animal]

120. Thanks for the PM with the nonsmoking bars!

I really appreciate it!

[verges]

135. That's right!! Let the free market decide.

:sarcasm:

[Taitertots]

143. Let free people decide

Give them the choice.

You are just against it because everyone's choice disagrees with your's.

[ddeclue]

42. It already IS here in FL and also in AZ, CA, and NY

[MercutioATC]

46. ...and Ohio

[blueamy66]

90. Yep, and I love it here in AZ

Don't smokers ever smell themselves?

My boss smokes the cheapest ass cigs that he can find. And he smells awful, just awful....all of the time.

I remember the days of having to either air out or wash my jacket after a night in a smoke filled bar. YUCK.

[geardaddy]

98. And MN

[wuushew]

50. Yes absolutely

everybody who says no is either an addict or an extreme liberatarian.

[proudohioan]

87. I'm both.

[Xicano]

51. I think smokers have an equal right to smoke as non smokers have the right not to inhale smoke.

With that being the case I think private businesses should have the right to decide if their business is going to be smoking or non smoking.

I myself am a non smoker btw.

[Flaneur]

54. I'm pro-choice.

[Touchdown]

55. Some of you people should never go to Europe.

You think it was bad here?:rofl:

[Luminous Animal]

58. No shit. I smoke and I had trouble getting used to it!

[Codeine]

63. Even that's changing slowly.

Bosnia/Herzegovina, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Estonia, Finland, France, several German states, Greece, Guernsey, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Lithuania, Macedonia, Montenegro, The Netherlands (where you can smoke weed but not tobacco in designated cafes), Norway, Sweden, Turkey (!), England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales have all instituted some form of smoking ban that affects bars and restaurants, though some establishments have the option of providing completely enclosed, ventilated, lower-pressure rooms for smokers, where normally no service can be provided.

The world is a-changing.

[taught_me_patience]

100. Even Bangkok has an indoor smoking ban

It was awesome.

[dysfunctional press]

61. it should be the decision of the bar owner.

[0xDEADBEEF]

62. No better than a Republican

I've got enough Christo-Republicans trying to cram their morality down my throat...and I have nothing but contempt for the Democrats that do the exact same thing with their anti-smoking crusade.

Don't try to tell me that it's a "health issue." The whole idea of going to a bar is to enjoy something that is bad for your health.

I can appreciate that there ought to be SOME non-smoking bars, maybe even a majority of them. There ought to be enough demand for it that some barkeeps might decide to make their club a non-smoking establishment, to bring in the majority of the population. But if smokers want to get together, and have a place by and for smokers, and maybe serve some beer there, or have a band play, quit whining that you want to go there, but the smoke bothers you.

[OI812]

106. Smoking is "banned" in bars here but several of them just ignore the "ban." They are the ones

where all the off-duty cops and sheriffs go to drink...and smoke.

[skypilot]

132. Thank you.

I really don't know why this is still such an issue. Here in Philadelphia, bars that make a certain percentage of their money in food sales were required to go smoke-free. I'm fine with that because I don't smoke around people when they are eating. The bars that were eligible to allow smoking (bars the serve little or no food) could decide whether or not they wanted to. Most of the bars in the area where I live decided to ban smoking even if they were eligible to allow it. A few chose to allow smoking. I'm a smoker and I enjoy my smoking bars. The non-smokers have lots and lots of places where they can go and not be exposed to cigarette smoke. As far as I can tell, the folks here in Philly are fine with this arrangement.

[Xicano]

138. +1000 and I am a non smoker.

Well said. n/t

[OutNow]

66. Oregon - Already Bans Smoking in bars

But it is still legal in casinos in Oregon because they are owned by native american tribes.

I've asked one casino to ban it also. They currently ban all smoking in their hotel, the restaurants inside the casino and last week I saw No Smoking signs up in the Players Club area. I'll bet the entire casino goes no smoking sometime in the next year.

Second hand smoke gives me one hell of a headache, and I expect my Texas Hold'm playing will improve in a smoke free environment. There is a No Smoking casino at Lake Tahoe and it's nice to play cards there.

[winyanstaz]

67. Why cant there be smoking bars and non smoking bars?

and people can chose.
If you dont like the smoke..dont go there.
I dont smoke myself and since I quit I think it stinks..but...
I know how hard it was to quit and I know that some people never want to quit (its their life) so why cant we agree to disagree and each go to the places that they like?

[Blue-Jay]

68. Hey Loco! Do you masturbate when you post flamebait?

If so, you probably beat off constantly.

[name not needed]

71. best post in the thread imo

:rofl:

[Blue-Jay]

75. There's a reason why he never replies to his own threads.

It has something to do with chafing and furious "activity".

[Corey_Baker08]

73. As An Employee At A Bar Devastated By The Ohio Smoking Ban...

I believe that the ban is a complete violation of constitutional rights and it should be up to the owners of that establishment to decide and up to the patrons to decide to visit.

[Bill McBlueState]

97. which rights?

The Constitution is pretty short; it should be easy for you to specify which rights are being violated.

[Xicano]

140. Can you illustrate which right allows you to, lets say, barbeque outside?

After all the Constitution is pretty short; allowing you to easily show us where the Constitution gives you that right. Sound absurd? Sure it does. But no more absurd than your question. What if someone doesn't want to inhale the smoke from your barbeque? Which right gives you that right?

:shrug:




Fighting strawmen with strawmen.
Xicano

[Bill McBlueState]

141. Thanks for the thoughtful response. n/t

[Obamanaut]

79. It should dpend on whether/not the smokers are using food stamps to

pay for smokes, alcohol, and soft drinks.

:sarcasm:

on edit, thought I'd better add the tag

[invictus]

81. YES!

[pipi_k]

88. Let's see...we've got people sitting around chugging down

moderate to major amounts of alcohol...ruining their livers and every other organ in their bodies, and probably their personal lives and families as well...

And we want to "save" them from the hazards of cigarette smoke.

ooooookay!



PS...I'm a former smoker, BTW. I guess I should be on the side of the "you shouldn't be able to smoke here" crowd, but in this case, I'm struck by the irony of it all

[verges]

134. Actually smoking bans are

more concerned with the health of the people exposed to second hand smoke. Like bar employees. Or the non-smoker at the next table. Go ahead and smoke at home all you want. But in public places don't endanger other peoples health.

[rucky]

89. I don't see what this has to do with Dennis Kucinich. n/t

[a la izquierda]

91. After living in L.A. for years...

I cannot stand going into bars where smoking is allowed...and I'm a smoker. I will go outside in 15 degree Oklahoma winters to smoke as opposed to going to the few smoking bars that still exist here.


But I started Chantix today, so hopefully this will really not be a problem in about a week from now.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

101. Good luck! That stuff is amazing.

I have a 20 plus year chain smoking bartender friend who quit using chantix. He says he never craved a cig.

[marshall]

92. It's not like bars are havens for healthy activity

Among other things, people go there to drink, become intoxicated, and swap STD's. Smoking is just one more health hazard on a long list.

[pipi_k]

93. No kidding!

Liver disease, alcohol-fueled domestic violence, alcohol-fueled patron-on-patron violence, bathroom pukefests, drunken 2 AM pickups, acting like an asshole, falling on the face, drunk driving that can kill oneself or others.....all that is fine

cigarettes....BAD!!!



where is the logic?

[wuushew]

96. Are you completely unfamiliar with multi-use building arrangements?

bars are commonly attached to eating establishments as a synergistic arrangement to generate more revenue. Other activities include karaoke nights, local bands and competitive leagues for darts or pool.

I enjoy all these things but now my jacket still stinks like shit.


Bars are very often places beyond simple temples to alcoholism you know.

[Bucky]

109. "...but now my jacket still stinks like shit."

Were you in a poop-flinging venue?

[wuushew]

114. Are you a smoker?

n/t

[pipi_k]

118. The OP didn't SAY "multi use building arrangements"

It said bars.

Period.

Bars...on their own...as represented in the OP..very often ARE simple temples to alcoholism. Oh, and cheap one night stands.


If someone else wants to put up a poll specifically asking whether bars attached to restaurants should ban smoking, then my answer will be quite different.

[wuushew]

123. What about bowling alleys?

the town drunks don't consider the service or product to be appreciably different from say a dive bar.

[pipi_k]

129. That's still a multi functional establishment

What I'm referring to specifically is a stand-alone bar. Where the only purpose in being there is to drink and/or pick someone up.

Not have dinner. Not bowl.

[WeDidIt]

99. Other

Each bar should be forced to choose either all smoking or no smoking. All smoking bars will require all patrons to have a cigarette lit up at all times.

[geardaddy]

107. Bingo.

:thumbsup:

[Khaotic]

102. Those who voted for smoking in bars ...

You set one hell of an example.

[0xDEADBEEF]

105. Actually...

They should be drinking, too.

Maybe even watching one of the girls from their class dancing on the flagpole.

[Bucky]

112. Whenever I read comments like this, I cry

You're just part of a huge cultural peer pressure telling these boys they can't grow up to become pole dancers just because they're boys. I can just hear those doors of opportunity slamming closed in their faces! :cry:

[Bucky]

111. Thank you. Those dang smokers always ruin my class's field trips to the local bars

Thank god I was able to find a no-smoking brothel!

[Flaneur]

117. Yeah, because there's so many little kids in bars.

[pipi_k]

119. Well if little kids are gonna spend all day drinking themselves silly in bars

then fuck 'em... they can suck up the cigarette smoke too.

[slackmaster]

104. California's ban on smoking in bars and restaurants is working just fine

It hasn't cut into anyone's business, and everyone gets to breathe cleaner air.

[Xenotime]

110. No reason why I should have to partake in somebody else's filthy habit.

[Bucky]

113. Nice post, Hitler

I suppose you favor California's goose-stepping nanny state "no booger flinging" ordinances, too.

[Orsino]

121. We should make a special exception for bar patrons...

...who happen to be on fire.

[Toasterlad]

122. Thank God I Don't Have Some Asshole Poisoning My Lungs While I Sit Here Poisoning My Liver!

[TrogL]

126. It already is up here

Bar owners noted a dropoff in business for a whole two days, then it was back to business as usual.

There's an outdoor smoking area just outside the back door. Some bars provide heaters.

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[rd_kent]

128. SPAMMER!!! ENJOY YOUR PIZZA, ASSWIPE!

[Sebastian Doyle]

136. Smoking should be banned in ANY building open to the public.

End of story.

[Fire1]

139. NO! n/t

[Recursion]

142. DC banned it when I lived there. I was anti-ban until it happened

But, honestly, the ability to go to the bar and not come home smelling like smoke is awesome. Plus, I found out that the bar has a ceiling.

[MarcoMcHairyPants]

146. Yes.

I'm sorry but, if I'm at a bar, I'm in there to enjoy sexy music and sexy people. Not your rancid tobacco breath. Take that shit outside.