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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 09:48 AM
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How a New Jobless Era Will Transform America
'The Great Recession may be over, but this era of high joblessness is probably just beginning. Before it ends, it will likely change the life course and character of a generation of young adults. It will leave an indelible imprint on many blue-collar men. It could cripple marriage as an institution in many communities. It may already be plunging many inner cities into a despair not seen for decades. Ultimately, it is likely to warp our politics, our culture, and the character of our society for years to come.'

long article but well worth reading.









http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/201003/jobless-america-future
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 09:51 AM
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1. But I thought Teh Gay was going to "cripple marriage as an institution" . .
Now I'm all con-fuuuzed.

:silly:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 10:03 AM
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2. A man with a plan -- The Rural Advantage
Teetering at the Tipping Point -- A Rural Advantage

"I am convinced that sustainability is the defining question of the 21st Century,” John Ikerd said last Saturday afternoon.

"Ikerd, a senior statesman among American agrarians, was addressing a conference hosted by the Nebraska Sustainable Agriculture Society in Lincoln, and he earned a standing ovation for his definitive, imperative, and impassioned remarks.

"He painted a convincing word picture of how sustainable food production systems can and should be employed to restore health to our bodies and minds, to restore vitality to the land, and to restore long-term stability to our economy. This healing potential, he said as he sounded the conference keynote, is a rural advantage. America would do well to take note..."

(snip)

http://thecalloftheland.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/teetering-toward-the-tipping-point-a-rural-advantage/
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 10:09 AM
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3. K&R nt
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 10:41 AM
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4. It will leave us "humbled", "content", "in our station", "accepting", "compliant"
In other words: "to do exactly as we are told and accept whatever shit wage they choose to give us . . . FA LIFE".

Conversely, the wealthy are allowed and continue to get ever wealthier without hem or haw or any talk of "redistribution", "taxation" or "sacrifice". Nor is their "work" based on "achievement", since they can do a good or horrible job and still get lottery perk packages/bonus/severance/whatever. Nice work if you can get it.

"Suck it Up": A phrase FOR the little people, APPLIED to the little people ONLY.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:16 AM
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8. +10000 thank you I agree
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:12 PM
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14. exactly
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 10:55 AM
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5. This is a great article, Mari.
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 10:57 AM by CrispyQ
Thanks for sharing.

A few months ago there was a thread on DU about the Great Depression & how it impacted an entire generation. I was stunned at the number of stories DUers shared about how their parents or grandparents were so deeply affected by that period that it remained with them for the rest of their lives. This article states the same thing.

Another snip from the article:

There is unemployment, a brief and relatively routine transitional state that results from the rise and fall of companies in any economy, and there is unemployment- chronic, all-consuming. The former is a necessary lubricant in any engine of economic growth. The latter is a pestilence that slowly eats away at people, families, and, if it spreads widely enough, the fabric of society. Indeed, history suggests that it is perhaps society’s most noxious ill.

The worst effects of pervasive joblessness - on family, politics, society - take time to incubate, and they show themselves only slowly. But ultimately, they leave deep marks that endure long after boom times have returned. Some of these marks are just now becoming visible, and even if the economy magically and fully recovers tomorrow, new ones will continue to appear. The longer our economic slump lasts, the deeper they’ll be.

If it persists much longer, this era of high joblessness will likely change the life course and character of a generation of young adults - and quite possibly those of the children behind them as well. It will leave an indelible imprint on many blue-collar white men - and on white culture. It could change the nature of modern marriage, and also cripple marriage as an institution in many communities. It may already be plunging many inner cities into a kind of despair and dysfunction not seen for decades. Ultimately, it is likely to warp our politics, our culture, and the character of our society for years.
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This is a long article, but worth the time to read.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 10:57 AM
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6. Excellent post, great follow-up by Spiralhawk...
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 11:00 AM by SteveM
"Where are we going to find the jobs of the future? They are on the land. There’s a whole new concept of society emerging based on local, clean healthy food. That’s the rural advantage.”

We will know when the single-digit employment portion of agriculture rises to double-digit.

These writers have seen the results of "recessions" and "bubbles:" each "recovery" is marked by lower-paying jobs, great declines in manufacturing, a landscape of part-time temporary work, no job security, and the mantra of "re-train." In short, the "American Dream" is passing into history with no clear idea of what will replace it. If economists have no idea (and there is usually no shortage of what will, should or could be from economists, even when they are wrong), then romantic calls for a return to such a "dream" are fatuous.

"Clean healthy food" will not solve the problem of our democracy's withering. Even if millions more people are involved in rural food production, the collapse of democracy in favor of all-corporate power will result in corporate power demanding of government closer regulation of ag production with "cleanliness" standards, "storage" standards, "trade mark" infringement powers, etc. Whatever "rural advantage" comes about, it will have to necessarily confront this power. Neither political "party" will be an ally.

I live in a city and have of necessity cut back everything (I was always "cheap," but being 61 and with no chance of finding meaningful employment and health insurance, this condition becomes a living art), and will make additional moves to cut myself off from the mainstream economy. This is not an ascetic or political choice, and I will not be moved by the calls for "more private sector spending" in order to get "more people consuming" and "more jobs." That is the old model the writers allude to, and the past 30+ years have shown that model to be bankrupt.

I will make a further transition into buying only at farmers' markets, intensify my hunting (I took 2 deer this year), buy even less used good (and no new stuff), and look for chances to produce something which may benefit myself, other people and a "new economy." I have no choice.

Incidentally, another "rural advantage" is nature itself. The new field "eco-psychology" holds that people's mental health is improved by being out in nature much more.

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:13 AM
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7. Great article. Some quotes from this article I thought especially good:
Andrew Oswald, an economist at the University of Warwick, in the U.K., and a pioneer in the field of happiness studies, says no other circumstance produces a larger decline in mental health and well-being than being involuntarily out of work for six months or more. It is the worst thing that can happen, he says, equivalent to the death of a spouse, and “a kind of bereavement” in its own right. Only a small fraction of the decline can be tied directly to losing a paycheck, Oswald says; most of it appears to be the result of a tarnished identity and a loss of self-worth. Unemployment leaves psychological scars that remain even after work is found again, and, because the happiness of husbands and the happiness of wives are usually closely related, the misery spreads throughout the home.

The national divorce rate fell slightly in 2008, and that’s not unusual in a recession: divorce is expensive, and many couples delay it in hard times. But joblessness corrodes marriages, and makes divorce much more likely down the road. According to W. Bradford Wilcox, the director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, the gender imbalance of the job losses in this recession is particularly noteworthy, and—when combined with the depth and duration of the jobs crisis—poses “a profound challenge to marriage,” especially in lower-income communities. It may sound harsh, but in general, he says, “if men can’t make a contribution financially, they don’t have much to offer.” Two-thirds of all divorces are legally initiated by women. Wilcox believes that over the next few years, we may see a long wave of divorces, washing no small number of discarded and dispirited men back into single adulthood.


IN HIS 1996 BOOK, When Work Disappears, the Harvard sociologist William Julius Wilson connected the loss of jobs from inner cities in the 1970s to the many social ills that cropped up after that. “The consequences of high neighborhood joblessness,” he wrote, are more devastating than those of high neighborhood poverty. A neighborhood in which people are poor but employed is different from a neighborhood in which many people are poor and jobless. Many of today’s problems in the inner-city ghetto neighborhoods—crime, family dissolution, welfare, low levels of social organization, and so on—are fundamentally a consequence of the disappearance of work


In limited respects, perhaps the recession will leave society better off. At the very least, it’s awoken us from our national fever dream of easy riches and bigger houses, and put a necessary end to an era of reckless personal spending. Perhaps it will leave us humbler, and gentler toward one another, too—at least in the long run. A recent paper by the economists Paola Giuliano and Antonio Spilimbergo shows that generations that endured a recession in early adulthood became more concerned about inequality and more cognizant of the role luck plays in life.

In The Moral Consequences of Economic Growth, the economic historian Benjamin Friedman argues that both inside and outside the U.S., lengthy periods of economic stagnation or decline have almost always left society more mean-spirited and less inclusive, and have usually stopped or reversed the advance of rights and freedoms. A high level of national wealth, Friedman writes, “is no bar to a society’s retreat into rigidity and intolerance once enough of its citizens lose the sense that they are getting ahead.” When material progress falters, Friedman concludes, people become more jealous of their status relative to others. Anti-immigrant sentiment typically increases, as does conflict between races and classes; concern for the poor tends to decline.


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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:27 AM
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9. Unfortunately I believe this article is true. The only thing that might change this...
would be if we have another economic bubble like perhaps green tech.. however it is hard to imagine even that having enough impact to reverse the negative economic pressure we are dealing with now. It looks we are headed for a sharp standard of living correction in this country and in many countries across the globe.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:08 PM
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10. This is easy to fix
The article, from what I could tell, is the same old stuff that jobs are gone, they are never coming back, and there's nothing we can do about it, etc., etc., etc. Young people will have to retrain, retrain, and retrain again for jobs that aren't specified to be created and probably won't exist by the time they graduate.

Well it CAN be fixed, and it is easily fixed, but one has to be honest and state where the problem truly lies, and that is with our Congress.

Thirty years of economic policies MUST be reversed, but it is a matter of our elected officials not having the will to do it, and that includes President Obama.

Why is there no political will? It is two-fold: 1) they're neoliberals and their ideology supports high unemployment in order to force wages down and create a two-class system and 2) because they are on the take from these same forces who believe in number 1.

It's really that simple. Reporters Barlett and Steele back in the 1990s, when the war against the many by the few was continuing in earnest, outlined it in a series of articles for the Philadelphia Inquirer and in three books. The problem in a nutshell IS with our elected officials who have declared a class war against the many on behalf of the few.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:10 PM
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11. "easy" ??
hardly.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:11 PM
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13. Yeah, it is, Bob.
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 12:11 PM by tonysam
The problem lies with the fucking politicians. Quit being an apologist for neoliberals.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:45 AM
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21. We can start with trade policies that have done most of us no good
for far too long.

The only way to do that is to get more people in congress riled up and stop giving them and the president a pass.

Also, public economists like Krugman might be jolted a bit by the academic studies referenced in the article.

I'm snowed in and am trying to come up with a short summary of the piece's thesis come to life in my own town to attach to an e-mail to Krugman urging him to read this piece. As though a lot of people haven't already sent him e-mails similarly beseaching him.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:31 PM
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18. The book, America : What Went Wrong was a collection of those articles.

(Great book, by the way)

America: What Went Wrong?

This book is an expanded version of an award-winning series of articles the structure of American government that ran in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Donald L. Bartlett and James B. Steele spent two years making detailed analysis of the IRS, Security Exchange Commission and other government agencies while paralleling the lives of men and women who jobs and lives were affected by trends in government and society. Problems in America, they argue, stem from the restructuring of the American economy to favor the very rich. The only way to repair this situation, the reporters contend, is "comprehensive changes in government laws and regulations on a scale of the sweeping legislative revisions of the 1930s." Does anyone care? The newspaper series was the most popular in the history of the Inquirer, generating 20,000 requests for reprints.

• Publisher: Amereon Ltd (April 1991)
• ISBN-10: 0848815300

http://www.amazon.com/America-What-Went-Wrong-Bartlett/dp/0848815300
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:41 AM
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20. I agree that that this situation can be fixed.
However, I don't think that the article sets out to address that problem.

You owe it to yourself to read the whole thing--it is written from a sociologist's perspective.

It might be used as ammo to get people's attention as to how bad the problem is, in order to get them to do what you recommend.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:10 PM
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12. K'ed & R'ed with a heavy heart.....
:cry:

But it also means that this version of economy - based mostly on money - no longer works, and it's time for a comprehensive re-thinking.


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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:13 PM
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15. It means reversing the policies of the past thirty years
and not this bullshit that the jobs are gone and never coming back and we must create "green" jobs that don't exist, and all of that other bullshit.

Take big money out of politics, elect officials who represent the people and not the financial elite, just for starters.

The problem is easy to fix if people would just recognize what the real problem is.
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:15 PM
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17. +1
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:13 PM
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16. That was a good read.
:kick: and a rec.
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Johnny Harpo Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:33 AM
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19. K&R n/t
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 01:07 AM
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22. I just ended a term with recruiting at the census
I'd say that a third of the people who applied were unemployable.

Crushingly low test scores, criminal records, and depressing mistakes in the application. As I joked with a colleague, "I think we should disqualify people based on not being able to spell the name of the city they were born in."

Clearly something has fallen apart somewhere along the line for these people. No education... no future...

Even if the economy "recovers" these people are going to be a generational drain on society, yet we as a society continue to crank out more of them every day. :(
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