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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:51 PM
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Can you imagine what it's like?
To be so sure that all poor people are poor because they're lazy, or because they're on drugs or alcohol, or because they're stupid? Can you imagine what it's like to believe all these things and to believe that because these things are all true that there should be no help or safety net for poor people?

Do you think that the people who think this way do so because it's a way of defining themselves as "hard-working," or "smart" or in some/all other ways superior? Is it possible that the only way they can feel good about themselves is to put other people down?

I remember my mom telling me about how as a little girl she had only one dress to go to school. Every day she'd come home and take it off, and it would get washed and ironed for the next day.

I can't imagine ever thinking of my grandparents as "stupid" or "lazy". They worked hard, and they were smart enough how to figure out how to make ends meet when often they didn't have any "ends."

What small, insignificant kind of life does a person have to have in order to say (either to themselves or publicly), "I've got mine and I get to keep it all. It's not up to me to make sure that anyone else gets their basic needs."?

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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:59 PM
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1. Everyone in my family thinks this way.
It is a form of mental illness. Nobody works harder than they do or are more deserving. These are hollow folks who have not room in their heart for compassion, nor care for those who suffer. I don't really know how we would reach them. Even if they lost everything and were to receive gifts from others with which to rebuild their own lives, they would still think that they were more deserving than those who do without today.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:32 PM
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9. I was about to respond directly to the OP, but you touched on something important.
It's not 'precisely' a form of 'mental illness'. That's just how you see it because you possess something they very much lack.

It boils down to something that many people simply haven't evolved. It's more than empathy, it is a direct sense of human integration. The vast majority of our achievements came from the ability of humans to think and act collectively. Not everyone has an intrinsic understanding of that sort of synergy. These are people that literally feel no connection to the balance of humanity. They understand collective effort academically, but not inherently.

Now, when presented with an issue or problem, the brain does a few quick things;

The Thalamo-Cortical-Thalamic response, the amygdala, hypothalamus and hippocampus have a quick 'conference'. All at once they summon up an assessment of the problem and the resources at hand to deal with it. If it's an emergency that can be dealt with, the hypothalamus kicks up and we get into action. If it's something we can't deal with at all, the amygdala will tend to stifle the problem-solving process and push the issue away.

Now, when someone is wired to see human integration and synergy as a 'resource', they are much more likely to understand and examine a given problem because they don't feel as though they're alone. These are the sorts of people who join the Peace Corps, organize food drives, try to raise awareness of real issues, etc.

When someone is missing that sense of integration, the brain concludes the issue cannot be dealt with before it's even picked up in the pre-frontal cortex where we make 'conscious' decisions.

Ever wonder why some people seem to be totally unable to learn the basics of Climate Change?

It's not because they necessarily being deliberately ignorant (although that IS the net result), it's because their amygdala is actively pushing the information away because it represents a problem too big to handle.

The information almost literally goes in one ear and out the other... bypassing the cognitive process entirely.

Now, here's where it comes into play;


When someone does not have that intrinsic understanding to begin with, they are not capable of 'putting themselves in another's shoes' because a) They literally feel separate from the rest of humanity, and b) they do not possess the resources to deal with intractable poverty.

Because they feel they would face it alone.

Academically, they know that they have friends who might help, but at the unconscious level they are inherently alone.


Think of them in relation to this, and you'll see a very interesting pattern.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:50 PM
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10. Are these people born that way? Head injury? Nurture? Nature? This is interesting -
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 05:51 PM by Hestia
I've never read about this before and am eager to learn more.

Academically, they know that they have friends who might help, but at the unconscious level they are inherently alone.

Isn't that a form of sociopathy - seeing people as "others"? Or at least they make great assassins.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:48 PM
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11. Honestly, I'm not absolutely certain.
My understanding is that it's something established very early on, probably cementing in late adolescence. I'll ask a behaviorist one of these days.


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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:48 AM
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13. Thank you for taking the time to put this into words.
The brain is a wonderful thing! I will look at my family with new eyes. Peace, Kim
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:03 PM
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2. It's a way for them to look the other way and self-righteously keep doing what they're doing...
I know very wealthy people whose own parents were poor and they still look at it this way - denial is an amazing thing.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:03 PM
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3. with my mother, it was underwear
...and my grandparents were the cooliest people ever. and smart and funny and talented. ...and poor. I grew up poor - really poor and I don't remember anyone around me not working. Judging can be a way of elavating oneself or it can be lack of ability to empathize. I have learned, whatever the reason, the attitudes and judgements are out there and real and we need to defeat them..
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:33 PM
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4. It's a lack of empathy. We've lost are ability to 'walk in another man's shoes' and the American
churches don't teach nor condemn the lack of empathy.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 03:15 PM
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5. I don't think "we've" lost empathy - not sure Republicans ever had it...
Empathy is a characteristic of evolved human beings, as I recall.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 03:44 PM
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6. in their little world, America and Israel are surrounded by insensate evil
and things like El Mozote or Sabra and Shatila were made up
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:08 PM
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7. I can imagine ....
they're living the American Dream.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:23 PM
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8. And even if you do work hard and are making ends meet, some of the people that hold the
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 04:24 PM by truedelphi
beliefs you describe discount said folks - if they don't attend THEIR Church, and vote their way, and support all wars, all tax cuts and all spending cuts for all social programs.

Scary times we live in.

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 03:51 AM
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12. Why, that's the American way! It's who we are. Sefish to the bone, through and through.
And if you think differently, if you think that I should sacrifice a little bit to help someone else, you just don't love your country and should just leave and live in Libowaina or somewhere.
Leave America to the REAL Americans who one day will take their country back!



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