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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:00 AM
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Glenn Greenwald: Our human rights vs. The Others
Ten American Baptists were arrested two weeks ago in Haiti on charges that they exploited the chaos in that country by attempting to smuggle 33 young Haitian children across the border without permission -- either to bring them to a life of Christianity or (as some evidence suggests) to filter them into a child trafficking ring. National Review's Kathryn Jean Lopez is deeply upset by the plight of at least one of the detained Americans, Jim Allen, whom she contends (based exclusively on his family's claims) is innocent. Lopez demands that the State Department do more to "insist" upon Allen's release, and -- most amazingly of all -- complains about the conditions of his detention. She has the audacity to cite a Human Rights Watch description of prison conditions in Haiti as "inhumane." Lopez complains that Allen was waterboarded, stripped, frozen and beaten has "hypertension," was shipped thousands of miles away to a secret black site beyond the reach of the ICRC and then rendered to Jordan allowed to speak to his wife only once in the first ten days of his confinement, and was consigned to years in an island-prison cage with no charges denied his choice of counsel for a few days (though he is now duly represented in Haitian courts by a large team of American lawyers).

You know what else Human Rights Watch vehemently condemns as human rights abuses? Guantanamo, military commissions, denial of civilian trials, indefinite detention, America's "enhanced interrogation techniques," renditions, and a whole slew of other practices that are far more severe than the conditions in Haiti about which Lopez complains and yet which have been vocally supported by National Review. In fact, Lopez's plea for Allen is surrounded at National Review by multiple and increasingly strident attacks on the Obama administration by former Bush officials Bill Burck and Dana Perino for (allegedly) abandoning those very policies, as well as countless posts from former Bush speechwriter (and the newest Washington Post columnist) Marc Thiessen promoting his new book defending torture. Lopez herself has repeatedly cheerled for Guantanamo and related policies, hailing Mitt Romney's call in a GOP debate that we "double Guantanamo" as his "best answer" and saying she disagrees with John McCain's anti-torture views, while mocking human rights concerns with the term "Club Gitmo." And National Review itself has led an endless attack on the credibility of Human Rights Watch, accusing it of anti-Israel and anti-American bias for daring to point out the human rights abuses perpetrated by those countries.

What's going on here is quite clear, quite odious, and quite common. It goes without saying that because he hasn't yet had a trial, Allen could be perfectly innocent, or he could be guilty of some rather heinous crimes -- just as is true of Guantanamo detainees held for years without charges or a trial (indeed, even with Haiti virtually destroyed under rubble, Allen -- unlike GITMO detainees -- is receiving full due process). Why would National Review -- which endorses far worse abuses when perpetrated on Muslims convicted of nothing -- take up the cause of an accused child smuggler and possible child trafficker, and suddenly find such grave concern over detainee conditions? Or, to use their warped vernacular, which equates unproven accusations with guilt, why would National Review be advocating for the rights of child kidnappers and child traffickers? Because, as a Christian, Allen is deemed by National Review to deserve basic human rights, unlike the Muslim detainees whose (far worse) abuse they have long supported (in stark and commendable contrast to National Review, Southern Baptist leaders are also demanding that the Obama administration do more to secure the release of Allen and his fellow prisoners, but they at least have standing and credibility to do so, as the National Association of Evangelicals, the Southern Baptist Convention, and the leading Southern Baptist ethicist all condemned Bush policies as "torture" which "violates everything we stand for," although they did that quite belatedly).

All of this is reminiscent of the single greatest act of self-satire I encountered since I began writing about politics: in September, 2006, three Indonesian Christians were convicted in a regular Indonesian court of a brutal terrorist attack that left 70 Muslims dead, and they were sentenced to death. Michelle Malkin and various other right-wing agitators -- who not only cheered on every radical Bush/Cheney denial of due process and punishment without trial for Muslims, but demanded even more extreme measures -- righteously took up the cause of these Christian Terrorists, expressing "grave doubts raised over the fairness of the trial," citing "irregularities" in the trial they received, and even calling upon the "International Criminal Court in Geneva" to intervene -- seriously (this behavior from GOP Sen. Mel Martinez, in a different case, was quite similar). The very same people who have been demanding for years that Muslims be imprisoned for life, tortured and killed with no trials or charges of any kind suddenly become extremely sensitive to the nuances of due process and humane detention conditions -- they start sounding like Amnesty International civil liberties extremists -- the minute it's a Christian, rather than a Muslim, who is subjected to such treatment. Lest anyone think these glaring double standards are driven more by nationality than religion, National Review -- along with most of their comrades -- supported the full denial of due process in the case of Jose Padilla, a U.S.-born American citizen and Muslim who was tortured to the point of insanity, and it now does the same with U.S.-born American citizen and Muslim Anwar al-Awlaki, whom the U.S. is currently trying to assassinate.

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http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/14/haiti
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:24 AM
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1. The truth is a bitch for those paying attention!
Kudos to Greenwald who once again nails it perfectly.

This is the type of commentary that you will never see in mainstream media because the role of our national media is to KEEP these discussions off the table.

Anyone that doubts the truth of Greenwald's offering should simply ponder the eruption of 24/7 news coverage if the young men involved with the stunt in the office of Sen. Landrieu were American Muslim men of the same age as O'Keefe and his idiot comrades. In addition to the massive news coverage of "evil" Muslims attempting to gain unlawful entry into the office of a Senator who happens to be a member of the US Senate Homeland Security Committee, one can be sure that the detention and interrogation of the young Muslim men would be starkly different than that of the O'Keefe gang. O'Keefe and his henchmen were walking the street within hours of being caught. The fact is that Greenwald is absolutely correct about the Mt. Everest sized hypocrisy of the right wing. The critical and most harmful aspect of Greenwlad's analysis is the fact that these types of discussions will be buried by the mainstream media. That has become their role in our society today!

I hope all progressives and Democrats everywhere repeat these facts in any and all public forums.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:26 AM
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2. meeg! thanks for posting this with all the links and text mods
that was a lot of work!
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:30 AM
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3. Yep! Thanks MEEG!
I always appreciate your postings!

Cheers!

:)
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:35 AM
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5. Thanks - had to actually for a minute to take a rest ...
Thank you Glenn for posting all them! I respect someone who backs up their points with facts. Needless to say, he's one of my media idols.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:07 PM
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10. mine too. he's tenacious...like a terrier of truth.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:34 AM
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4. Both greenwald and Digby are quite correct,
But they miss something. A large number of Americans are innocents; they stumble through the world like teenagers, expecting that nothing will ever happen to them. Why wouldn't people scooping up other people's children expect to be jailed?? It doesn't matter if those children are being taken for a new life, for child trafficking, or for human sacrifice; they belong to someone else.

This forever leaves me gobsmacked and frustrated.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:44 AM
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6. Greenwald is a Libertarian whose views have little to do with reality
He was against our President before he even took office. Take what he says with a grain of salt and realize that he is not on our team.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:51 AM
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7. "our team" LOL!
Gee, I must have missed the memo about what it takes to be on "our" team.

Your post is a monument to laziness. I always find it amusing when posters on DU launch attacks on others and support their contention with - wait for it - NOTHING!!!

Since I am part of the team, I would like to ask what about this Greenwald piece do you find unrealistic? Are his facts wrong?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 11:16 AM
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8. LOL.
:rofl:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:13 PM
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11. this has a creepy "our supreme and fearless leader" ring to it.
Obama is cool and all...i'm glad he won...but this just sounds WEIRD.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 11:34 AM
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9. Kick.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 04:09 PM
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12. Another kick!
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