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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:39 PM
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Remember that 14 Year Old Smartass Jonathan Krohn - he's Written a Book
Do they all write books? Geez all I saw in B&N over the weekend were conservative books - where the hell are the liberal books? I'm talking newly published books. Even that actor that played Garibaldi on Babylon 5, Jerry Doyle has a damn conservative book out. And this friggin' 14 year old know-it-all giving advice - please!!!!!!!



unshakeable principles
Defining Conservatism is a passionate appeal to a political movement that is re-examining its identity as Republicans set their sights on 2010 and beyond. A dedicated young conservative, Jonathan Krohn presents conservative philosophy’s basic tenets in this remarkably earnest and impeccably reasoned primer. This book, clear and informative, is a history lesson, a manifesto, and a roadmap for the future. More

a letter from jonathan krohn
I AM A REALIST. I AM A CONSERVATIVE realist. I cling to logic, morality, and history, and I apply them consistently. I find no reason not to apply them; after all, if something is true, then is it not wise to give it proper credence? It is not only proper, but it is also in our best interest. To know the truth leads to a more potent and effective solution. Often falsities plague society with the equally false premise that they give us effective solutions, but in all actuality they hurt society. More

http://definingconservatismbook.com/

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:41 PM
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1. He's got that kind of Kristol-face that you'd just like
to push something into. .
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:41 PM
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2. A 14 year old kid in a power suit and red tie
I just find that unbearably sad.

He'll likely have the coke habit to match by the time he's 21.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:30 PM
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36. That would be an FBCEOA uniform--
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 01:31 PM by Skidmore
Future Bank CEOs of America. Or, maybe a FHFMA (Future Hedge Fund Managers of America) or FDTA (Future Derivative Traders of America).
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:32 PM
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38. FBCEOA would assume that he'll have something resembling a real job.
If this kid doesn't get chewed up and spit out by the conservative machine like Joe the Unlicensed Tax-Evading Plumber did, I guarantee that he'll end up with a paid position on some right wing think-tank.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:53 PM
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64. "think-tank"?!?
Even right wing think tanks require thinkers.

The kid's a fucking parrot.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:57 PM
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66. Remember Douglas Feith?
The dumbest man alive? Even he was on a think tank (I think it was PNAC, but I could be wrong).
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:56 PM
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103. Think tanks also require dirty tricksters.
I've met them, they feed off the tips and back room insider deals. They don't think, they act more as operatives.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:14 AM
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83. Ha! Remember when parents used to tell their kids "One day you can
grow up to be President of the United States", because it was seen as the ultimate pinnacle of achievement you could reach in our society? Now they'll tell kids, "One day you too can grow up to be President of a too-big-to-fail banking cartel".
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:42 PM
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3. I see he has already mastered The Conservative Look Of Smugness.
He is a conservative prodigy!
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:18 AM
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85. You're right; when he stands still I'll bet he leaves a puddle of smug. And yet I can't
help but think that, years from now, this one's gonna fall hard, and it's gonna be a big, catastrophic fall. You don't get to be that smug, that young, and not alienate everyone around you; and your hubris eventually catches up to you.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:42 PM
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4. What a gut-wrenching disease
Or is that one spelled Crohn?
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:43 PM
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5. Figures. They're all about 14 emotionally.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:50 PM
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76. That's right - he's peaked
It's all downhill from here.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:44 PM
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6. Poor kid
"Often falsities plague society with the equally false premise that they give us effective solutions, but in all actuality they hurt society."

He's too young to realize he's just nutshelled the Bu$h pResidency.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:44 PM
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7. So much for the adults being charged?
:rofl: that kid
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:44 PM
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8. The little turd will be infiltrating Acorn dressed as a pimp within 5 years......
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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:45 PM
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9. Alex Keaton?
Good Grief, this kid has not experienced life, what does he know about it?
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:46 PM
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10. What a CHUD. His writing style is pretentious and has too much emphasis on 'sounding smart'
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 12:49 PM by That Is Quite Enough
It's riddled with pointless and loquacious rhetoric...kinda like any demagogue, except in this case it's glaringly bad. Kid is about as fake as Palin.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:46 PM
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46. Precisely, reminds me of a Homer line
"You take forever to say nothing!"
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:19 AM
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86. It does kind of have the whiff of fraud about it, dunnit?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:47 PM
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11. Brainwashing from birth will do that to you.
'Krohn, an only child, is a Jewish Christian and his family has been active in a Baptist church and lived in Duluth, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta.<1> An IQ test Krohn took in the first grade indicated he was gifted. He attended Christian schools until 2007, when his parents began to home-school him.<2> Krohn was active in plays and regional shows through the Christian Youth Theater'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Krohn#Early_life

If he's as gifted as they say, he'll soon figure it out.
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:50 PM
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14. What's a Jewish Christian??
:shrug:

I mean my Mom's Catholic and my Dad's Jewish, but I consider myself Jewish. And I was raised that way. I don't get it.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:08 PM
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24. LOL I have no idea.
Only thing that came to mind was that 'Jews for Jesus' movement we heard of awhile back, but I have no clue if that's what it means.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:17 PM
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28. It's like Carl Sagan being a Jewish atheist, but then add the belief in Christianity
Evidently the kid and his family identify themselves as ethnically Jewish, but religiously Christian.


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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:31 PM
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37. I'll go with that. LOL
Seems like they all have to have an 'identity' to tout.

I think of myself as just 'human' so I dunno.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 02:42 PM
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54. Just FYI
You aren't technically Jewish. The Jewish laws sees a child born from a Jewish mother as a true Jew.

If your mother converted to Judaism and is certified Jewish then you are a true Jew. Its pretty easy to convert if your father is Jewish.

As for the kid, he's not Jewish or Christian. He's fucking nuts!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:08 PM
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70. FYI...it depends on your flavor of Judaism
Reform will accept any child that has a Jewish Parent (mother or father) and was raised with a Jewish identity.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:30 PM
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73. That's true. I was thinking on my sect - the Orthodox
Not the Hasidim.

My in-laws are from the Hasidic sect - and I can see a lot of them are effin' nuts, voting against their best interests in Brooklyn.

My wife and I chose to stay with modern Orthodoxy which is in line with the Reform concept but keeps the Orthodox concept alive. I drive on Shabbos and G-d hasn't struck me down. I use the computer on Shabbos, G-d hasn't struck me down yet.

Only if G-d can do something for my aching back....

Hawkeye-X
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:33 PM
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40. A Jewish Christian?
A WHAT?
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:47 PM
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47. "Too offset being gifted, his family sent him to Christian schools..."
"...then home schooled him to finish the job of turning him into a complete fundamentalist dumbass."
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:47 PM
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12. even the spectator hates it. this review is hysterical
<snip>

Limbaugh meant this as a criticism of the broader culture, but it applied just as forcefully to CPAC itself. Early on the first day, I picked up the book Define Conservatism: For Past, Present, and Future Generations, by Jonathan Krohn, one of the speakers at the "two minute activist" panel. The cover is normal enough -- a silhouette with a picture of Congress in session in the background. It looks like something that could be published by a university press, perhaps.

Then, the trick. You turn it over and see the picture of a "13 year-old home schooled young man" who was named "Atlanta's Most Talented Child" by Inside Edition. He even "had 3 call-backs for the Broadway part of Michael Banks in Mary Poppins." The young Mr. Krohn "loves talk radio" and has "taken up golf in hopes to play with his favorite politicians."

This reviewer wishes him good luck with that and hopes that he never, ever gets the itch to write another book. Define Conservatism is terrible. It's not simply that the book is riddled with typos (though it is) or that it's shallow and awkwardly phrased that annoys so. There's also anger at the parents for allowing this book to be published at all. One of the things that good parents ought to do is keep their charges from embarrassing themselves this badly.

It would be cruel to quote this book at great length but here is the first paragraph of Krohn's second chapter: "Now that we have finished our discussion of old school conservatism and the constitution, let's move on to the next major aspect of the conservative belief system: the life issue. The life issue is near and dear to all conservatives. Does not life keep all of us alive? If it wasn't for life would we not surely be dead? Conservatives believe that life is something that everyone should have."

<snip>

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/04/kid-conservative
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:22 PM
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30. He ultimately didn't get chosen to play Michael Banks in Mary Poppins
because the casting director told him Michael Banks wants to use his tuppence to feed the birds rather than invest it in the bank, which will use it to create worthless speculative financial instruments on which it will lose oodles of money, including Michael's tuppence, which means the birds and the woman who sells their feed out in the square to passersby to make a living will both starve to death.

No doubt he said "How stupid! Michael should invest his tuppence in the bank--because it's too big to fail!"

He didn't get a fourth callback.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:29 PM
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35. "If it wasn't for life, would we not surely all be dead?" - Poor pathetic republicons
Have not got half a thought.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:33 PM
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39. "Does not life keep all of us alive?" Holy motherfucking shit. nt
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:18 AM
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78. What was Palin doing 15 years ago?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:30 PM
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57. Does not life keep all of us alive? If it wasn't for life would we not surely be dead?
:rofl:


Oh God.........

:rofl:

It hurts.... It HURTS.... :rofl:
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:01 PM
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92. He still has time to eat many more paint chips....
Then his twisted and warped view of the world will decay further into paranoia, bigotry and hypocrisy, greed and selfishness. Then the loathing for all things non-white male take over.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:41 PM
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101. You owe me a keyboard
"He has time to eat more paint chips..." :rofl:

And, before you know, he'll have the IQ necessary to be a front runner for the RNC presidential endorsement. I won't be surprised to see the Republicans start agitatiting to change the Constitutional age to be president.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:40 PM
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95. but that was for his first book -- I'm sure this, his second, is much better.
:rofl:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:47 PM
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13. conservatism is very 14 year oldish philosophy. it is highly appropriate that children
write this sort of book, as children lack nuance, empathy and the ability to appreciate the complexity of the universe that is uniquely suited to conservative philosophy. I am not saying all 14 years old lack these abilities, just that the majority do.

it is extremely appropriate that a 14 year old kid is defining conservatism.
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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:10 PM
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25. "it is extremely appropriate that a 14 year old kid is defining conservatism"
agreed
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:26 PM
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33. Not necessarily. My 10-year-old liberal Semetic Christian son
could write a book with more nuiance than this one.

He has incredible empathy and understands the complexity of the universe better than many grown Americans. (Do YOU know what the Ort Cloud is off the top of your head, for example?)

Could a 10-year-old not define liberalism?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:38 AM
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87. Spot on. Moreover, he's being used as a human shield.
So when the book is rightfully lambasted, they will say the critics are being "mean to a child".

I haven't read all the responses to this thread yet, but I'm willing to bet I'll find one post along those lines already here. Excuse me while I click "Post message" and browse through the thread.
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RedG1 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:50 PM
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15. Neo-Nazi Youth?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:51 PM
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16. Looks like another Nazi Youth member to me.
It's only a matter of time before he gets a rude awakening like Sammyboy the Phony Plumber did!
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:51 PM
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17. Not written by him, written for him.
Does not matter. Same CEI bullshit that all of the Republickers spout. By any metric, Reaganism has been a failure on every level in every way except in enriching the power and wealth of the corporate conservative elite. The corporate conservative media propaganda machine has done well to hide the truth from the middle class, which has been plundered of wealth and rights since 1980 by the conservatives, but they are waking up.

The kid is the latest spokesman, reading from a script. Pay him no mind.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:55 PM
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19. You beat me to it.
It's just the photo on the cover that changes.

Probably the same team that wrote Palin's book, with some kind assistance from Frank Luntz thrown in.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:04 PM
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23. Judging from this, he wrote it himself.
"Now that we have finished our discussion of old school conservatism and the constitution, let's move on to the next major aspect of the conservative belief system: the life issue. The life issue is near and dear to all conservatives. Does not life keep all of us alive? If it wasn't for life would we not surely be dead? Conservatives believe that life is something that everyone should have."
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:25 PM
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32. "If it wasn't for life would we not surely be dead?"
I can see why he tested as gifted. His sense of logic is impeccable.

"Conservatives believe that life is something that everyone should have."

Well, yeah, 'cuz, you know, if not they'll be dead an' junk.

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:42 PM
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44. Woah man, that's like totally deep.
:silly:
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:59 PM
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50. You make a strong arguement, but consider this:


"Tribal sovereignty means that. It's sovereign. You're a … you're a … you've been given sovereignty and you're viewed as a sovereign entity." -George W. Bush

I suggest that George W. Bush wrote the book.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:27 PM
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56. .......
:rofl:
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:33 PM
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59. +1000
:rofl:
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:32 PM
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58. That just hurts my head
His parents should have spared him this.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:36 PM
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60. Yup. It has the tone of a child led to believe his is "special," smarter, and knows more than
the adults around him.

They fucked this kid up real good.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:51 PM
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18. I'm sure he'll show his love for the country by joining the military in 4 years.

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:12 PM
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27. Jut what I was thinking.
But, he will "help out better here at home" don't you know.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:56 PM
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20. I was into politics by 16....but I was more left leaning.
I would say teens should have their voices heard, but he is very naive. And he got a good payday out of this so...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:28 PM
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34. Jennicut, Cali posted an excerpt from this upthread. It is beyond childish writing.
It's crap. One wonders how or why the publisher invested money in this.

I sincerely believe if either you or I were to write a book in our teen years, we've have produced work that would eclipse this pabulum.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:20 PM
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55. LOL! I have some stuff written from that time, circa 1992. Maybe I can sell it.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:57 PM
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21. wonder if Rush Limbaugh keeps that picture by his bed, next to his hand lotion and kleenex?
Junior syncophant in training.... :puke:
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:03 PM
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22. Just goes to show...
...One is never to young to channel their inner weasel.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:10 PM
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26. Not only that, but if Sarah Palin wants to read it, he promised to help her with the big words!
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:20 PM
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29. Narrative, talking point, posturing
Rinse, repeat. Yawn.



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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:37 PM
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43. All of this political stuff starts getting pretty transparent after awhile.
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 01:50 PM by coti
"...after all, if something is true, then is it not wise to give it proper credence?" Well! Chalk one up for the 14-year-old! :eyes:


I've been getting tired of opinions in general. They're just ads marketing a person's spiritual salvation to God. It's existential angst.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:23 PM
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31. Who is this little smartass?
I don't believe in corporal punishment, but I just want to slap that smirk right off his face.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:34 PM
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41. Yea, OK.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:36 PM
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42. So, with Beck not working out as the next William F. Buckley, this is the new heir apparent?
:eyes:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:45 PM
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45. I'm afraid his writing style will be too advanced for most conservatives to follow.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:55 PM
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48. The paste eating little twerp is just begging for a swirlie. nt
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:58 PM
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49. Q: "Where the hell are the liberal books?"
Answer: We don't need them. Liberals aren't so damn insecure in their political beliefs that they need to be reassured with another book re-vomiting the same garbage every other month. We reaffirm our liberal beliefs by living in the world. Conservatives reaffirm their beliefs by jumping back into the echo chamber.
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Mixopterus Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 02:19 PM
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51. Well
Nearly every damn thing involving ethical systems is (more or less) liberal, save for utilitarian and moral egoist systems, so that's a start.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 02:29 PM
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52. jmowreader's review: OMG this is bad
I read the chapter, "The Basis of Conservative Philosophy," that is posted on the "Defining Conservatism Book" website. The kid doesn't have the literary chops necessary to write a grocery list.

Here I put the first two paragraphs:

Why do we as conservatives believe what we believe?

Is it because we are hopelessly nostalgic in our ideological perspectives? Is it because we hold on to the past with a hand that will not let go? Do we try to force our moral views on all other individuals? How do we conclude that conservative values lead us to any better conclusion than government expansionism? As Plato once wrote in his masterpiece
Laws, “because you have gone back to first principles you have thrown a light upon the argument.” Plato here reflected on a fact of life: Principles reflect one’s personal perception.

Master Krohn explains the three "basic sectors" that lead one to conservatism, those being logic, morality and history. He further claims these principles are "unique" to conservatism. Which of course is fucking bullshit, guys; according to Master Krohn, non-conservatives ("non-conservative" and "liberal" are not the only two political persuasions; there are centrists, who borrow the best of both conservatism and liberalism; progressives, and bomb-throwers on both ends of the spectrum--I have a very hard time putting Sea Shepherd founder Paul Watson and Harvard economist Paul Krugman into the same "liberal" container) are illogical, immoral and ignorant of history.

Let's see here...supposedly the free market is downplayed by the "government expansionist." No, my son, the free market is downplayed by communists. There's a difference. In fact, most of the damage to the free market has been done by the free market itself--because an unregulated free market doesn't work.

We shall start with the financial sector--arguably the backbone of the free market as there need to be conduits for all the money. The financial sector cannot be left unregulated for even a second because of its criticality to the rest of the economy, but conservatives insist on deregulating the damn thing. Conservatives will tell you the financial market can be safely deregulated because they won't take risks that will endanger their companies. Try a little experiment: Put a classroom full of children in a Home Depot. Go into an aisle with 16-foot racking and put the pan off a turkey fryer on the top shelf after showing the kids it's full of money, Snickers bars, Furbys or something else they want. Tell them not to try getting it down because it's really dangerous to climb the racking. Then walk just far enough away they won't notice you, and watch. Within 30 seconds every child will be climbing the racking, which is over a floor made of granite-hard concrete, to get at that pot full of money, and when they get up there they are not going to share it with their classmates. No, there's going to be a huge fight with multiple deaths. Fast-forward twenty years. Put all the kids in suits with lipstick for the girls, call them bankers and the exact same thing will happen. Except now it's not some abstract construction, it's real money. More to the point, it's real money someone else was going to use to make her car payment with. The Glass-Steagall Act prohibited banks from selling insurance and securities. Thanks to the Republican Party, who added a Glass-Steagall repeal to a must-pass bill, banks are now full-service financial houses again. Glass-Steagall was enacted because allowing banks, which should have very little risk in their operations, to deal in securities that are inherently risky was a major cause of the Great Depression. They say history repeats itself and in this case it did.

Master Krohn seems to have a rather elastic grasp on history. He claims the free market "promotes individualism, diminishes the governmental institutionalization of society and does not aid, whatsoever, in "the struggle of classes." Apparently he has never heard of a robber baron. More to the point, he doesn't know jack shit about Walmart, whose Cashier class is a bunch of struggling individuals.

We could sit here for hours ridiculing this document, but one fact remains: it is so poorly written you can't figure out what the fuck the lad is attempting to say. This is a book for the modern era--not because conservatism is an idea whose time has returned (it has not), but because this unreadable book is going to sell so poorly it's not worth wasting 36 printing plates and a roll of paper on. But with the modern miracle that is the Xerox Docutech, they can sell them via a website then print them up one at a time if anyone ever buys one.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:39 AM
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88. I don't think he's old enough to even know what a communist is.
"No, my son, the free market is downplayed by communists."
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 02:35 PM
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53. I can't wait for Cenk to mock him again!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:40 PM
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61. In a couple of years, he will discover pot (if he already hasn't)...
an then become a libertarian. Then a few years later, when he has a full time job and realizes just how screwed he is with sky high premiums, he will become a liberal.

LOL

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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:49 PM
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63. Doubtful. He's the kind of kid no one that gets high wants to get high with.
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 03:54 PM by A HERETIC I AM
I remember one time Bill O'Reilly said something to the effect that he didn't know anyone who got high in his high school and college.

Of course you didn't, Bill. None of the kids that got high wanted anything to do with you and knew getting stoned with you would be the mother of all buzz kills.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:08 PM
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68. Right now he's like that, but as soon as he goes away to college...
he will have a roommate that smoke pot. And that will start the path I outlined above. LOL

there is one thing about pot smokers, they like to share and if they room with someone who doesn't smoke it, they look at it as a challenge. LOL
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:56 PM
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69. On the other hand...
there is one thing about pot smokers, they like to share and if they room with someone who doesn't smoke it, they look at it as a challenge.


If he is just simply a dick, challenge or no, it might be that he'll be seen as a complete buzz kill.

Surely you've known people in your life that you just wouldn't want to be around when you get stoned. I know I have. Some people are just too much of a dickhead to want to even bother sharing with.

This little fucker just rubs me the wrong way (as I'm sure he rubs a lot of DU'rs the wrong way as well) and strikes me as the total narc type - the kind that would narc out even his own roommate for toking instead of loosening up and imbibing.

Here's hoping any college experience he has winds up with him being ostracized for being...well...himself.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:43 AM
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77. Yeah, begrudgingly, I have to agree. He does have the "buzz kill" aura around him. nt
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:56 PM
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106. His parents will probably homeschool him through college too.
It's a growing movement due to the number of colleges now offering distance education.

http://www.crosswalk.com/homeschool/11559011/

They won't want to risk having their perfectly brainwashed only child exposed to other ideas, 3 dimensional human beings, reason, or independent thought.



This kid is never going to get laid.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:43 PM
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62. Sadly, he's the most matoor Republican I've seen in a while.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 03:57 PM
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65. I hope this is a joke, like Colbert satire. The expert of his letter is pathetic.
Palin, this kid and Cheney...:shrug:...that's all they have?
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:03 PM
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67. Well Newt says he is sure to be looked on as a future leader of his generation.....so he's got that
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 05:04 PM by Monk06
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:13 PM
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71. Now there's a kid who needs a good wedgie before he's stuffed into his locker.
Smug little bastard. I want to slap him silly.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:19 PM
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72. Remember, Hillary was a Goldwater girl in '64.
:shrug:
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:57 PM
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104. Remember, Goldwater was pro-choice and favored gay rights.
And Hillary Clinton was a normal, socialized, functioning human being. This little dweeb has none of those advantages.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:21 AM
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107.  I don't think Goldwater
held to those positions in 1964 ... I worked for LBJ in that campaign (at all of 12 years old).
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:37 PM
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74. Daddy's little walking parrot, I suspect.
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farmout rightarm Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:39 PM
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75. I suspect you have struck the proverbial nail on its cranium.
:toast:
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:37 AM
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79. it is kind of impressive though, having a book published at 14 years old.
a political book no less.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:01 AM
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81. are you serious? It's a gimmick.
Publishing is just as market-oriented as any other business. Whoever published this saw an opportunity to separate a bunch of dumb asses from their money and took it.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:15 AM
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84. These books are typically funded by conservative foundations.
They don't take the normal way to publication. After publication, they are purchased in bulk to drive them onto the best seller list. Then places like Newsmax give them away when you sign up (Palin's book).

Limpballs has done this with his books. I remember seeing his ill-conceived TV show why back when. He had the set stacked and piled all over the place with all the extra books he had to buy up to get him on the best seller list. I heard later he had a warehouse full of books bought up by him languishing in cold storage.

I suspect the Heritage Foundation or some such conservo "think" tank is behind getting this kid published.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:56 AM
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91. You should be as skeptical of this kid as you are of global warming.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:51 PM
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98. he self published
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's something that any kid with the money could do.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:59 AM
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80. What kind of person would read this book?
I mean, I think 14 year olds are nice and all and they are certainly entitled to their opinions, but there's not a whole lot I can learn from a 14 year old and I wouldn't spend money or time on a book like this, whether the kid is conservative or liberal. What a gimmicky waste of time.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:04 AM
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82. "Experience is knowledge."
Wasn't that a quote by John Locke, the political philosopher?

What experiences does this kid have if he is only 14 years old? He was born in 1995? In the middle of Bill Clinton's first term? Surely he doesn't remember anything about Bill Clinton? It's possible that he does remember the great Presidency of the compassionate conservative, George W Bush? And he is writing a book from regurgitated conservative pablum from years gone by that he has read in his spare time and acts as if he was born a "conservative". What a fake little dude.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:47 AM
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89. And people wonder why conservative thought is not taken seriously. nt
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:47 AM
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90. I predict he'll be in gay porn before he's 20.
Bank on it.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:04 PM
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93. Conservative Jones LIVES!!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Saw it this weekend. Borders had this book as part of a giant display that included Beck, Forbes, Medved and other assorted Regnery vomit.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:19 PM
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94. Bwahaha! "The left's factions include, but are not limited to ...
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 12:19 PM by muriel_volestrangler
... socialism, communism, liberalism, Marxism, Stalinism, Leninism, Trotskyism, fascism, authoritarianism, martial rule, tyranny, monarchy, and, most stylish today, progressivism."

Kid's been hypnotised by Jonah Goldberg and his piece-of-shit book. And he's been skipping his history classes - monarchy is a faction of the left? Jeez, I thought most 10 year olds knew better than that.
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igfoth Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:43 PM
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96. This Little Reaganite reminds me of my Nephew
Who was/is Pro Bush and Pro War yet refused to join the military even after he graduated.

Never smoked weed or really drank and highly doubtful he even got laid.

The he hooked up wild a wild girl who f_cked him silly, and spent all his money cuz he was in love. She ended up leaving him high and dry and now he is a burn out.

Same thing will happen to this kid.



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igfoth Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:44 PM
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97. Dupe Message
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 12:45 PM by igfoth
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:12 PM
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99. in a few months i'll see this book sold in the bargain bin for $1
I've got much more important stuff to do in my life than to read what this brainwashed kid has to say. At age 14 I wasn't as radical as he was.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:15 PM
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100. Poor kid. Of course conservatives rarely wake up so he'll never know how
screwed up he is.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:44 PM
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102. Anybody Really Believe He Wrote That Letter?
I don't. That's not the writing style or the declarative sense of a 14 year old, no matter how precocious.

Besides, if he actually believes this tripe, he is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. My guess is that his dad is the ghost writer and he's just exploiting his own kid. No proof; just gut instinct.
GAC
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:48 AM
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108. This excerpt from Krohn's book reminded me of a quote from Dan Quayle
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 01:48 AM by Urban Prairie
"Does not life keep all of us alive? If it wasn't for life would we not surely be dead? Conservatives believe that life is something that everyone should have."

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

:silly:
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