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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:37 PM
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Notice what was thrown in the FND? (Friday News Dump)
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 06:39 PM by Political Heretic

'Torture Memo' Lawyers Cleared of Misconduct

The Justice Department ruled Friday that lawyers who authorized CIA interrogators to use waterboarding are not guilty of professional misconduct, but did show poor judgment, after an internal investigation into the Bush administrations counterterrorism policies. Though Obama campaigned to abolish the method, which simulates drowning, the Justice Department was responsible for deciding if those previously authorizing such tactics would be punished. Though an initial review concluded that the two former government lawyers, John Yoo and Jay Bybee, had committed professional misconduct, the Justice Departments most senior lawyer disagreed after re-examining the case. But he wrote in a memo, This decision should not be viewed as an endorsement of the legal work that underlies those memoranda.
Read it at Associated Press

Source: AP, via The Daily Beast

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_INTERROGATION...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:41 PM
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1. Yeah, I did.
And note to senior lawyer: An endorsement is EXACTLY what this is. More. It's blanket permission.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:45 PM
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2. It's past due for Obama to address this question
"Is torture now legal?"

Because there's every indication that it is and Obama just CHOOSES not to use it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:36 AM
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6. He's addressed it. Clearly.
Any pretense that he disagrees with Bush and Cheney is now gone.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 04:34 PM
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25. Exactly
His silence speaks volumes.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 05:00 PM
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28. Except he made it clear he did not agree with policy?
It might be a wuss move not to prosecute them. But that hardly implies that he agrees with the position.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:48 PM
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30. Torture is not "policy", it's a war crime.
If you refuse to prosecute war crimes, that makes you an accessory after the fact.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:50 PM
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3. "..should not be viewed as an endorsement.."
pardon me but, what a weasel!

the Justice Departments most senior lawyer
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:58 AM
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8. No kidding.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:58 AM
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12. totally disheartening
I'm not sure what can be done now.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:15 AM
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14. Ditto.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:20 AM
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15. It is....very much so.
Not unexpected though.

Couldn't just stop at the lawyers, so had to shut that avenue down...what with trying to pass Bush off as a humanitarian and all that

America is taking the cowards way out.

Anyone expecting to bring the country together by allowing war criminals to go free is an idiot.

'Good' people don't pretend torture isn't torture. 'Good' people don't protect war criminals.



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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 07:20 PM
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4. kick
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:11 PM
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5. Yeah this should have lead the news tonight...
Not Tiger Woods for C. sake...

We just dismantled Nuremberg...
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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:30 PM
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23. but we learned so much from the hours of coverage especially
the whole hour of speculation before hand. He made a mistake, he is sorry, he will try to do better was unexpected and breaking news.


NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Foo Fighter Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:57 AM
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7. Well gee, the next time I get stopped for speeding, can I use the same
argument to avoid a ticket and a fine. After all, it was nothing more than 'poor judgment' on my part.

"This decision should not be viewed as an endorsement of the legal work that underlies those memoranda."

IOW, just because we let them get off scott-free doesn't mean we approve of what they did. Except that we do. No misconduct here. Move along now.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:00 AM
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9. Finally !
bi-partisanship!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:11 AM
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10. I clicked it twice, couldn't belive it
I almost posted it here, but decided to not. What's the point anymore?
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fan of the arts Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:04 AM
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11. What a wonderful "justice" dept huh -- Approves torture and its conspirators
It's so outrageous it could only happen in our Orwellian version of "democracy" we have now wherein troop increases = Nobel Peace Price (War is Peace) and propaganda equals truth (Ignorance is Strength).
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:00 AM
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13. knr. setting the precedent for obama and future officials.
that was the point I guess. Imperialism takes over for good.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:21 AM
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16. I've been pissed since I heard yesterday
Makes me realize that nothing is gonna change. I'm so fed up with government it makes me sick.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:23 AM
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17. This video succinctly says what I feel like now
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:24 AM
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18. Very appropriate
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:55 AM
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19. The OPR found differently
They were just overruled by those that think the department matters more than the nation.

The Office of Professional Responsibility, led by another veteran career prosecutor, Mary Patrice Brown, disagreed.

"Situations of great stress, danger and fear do not relieve department attorneys of their duty to provide thorough, objective and candid legal advice, even if that advice is not what the client wants to hear," her team wrote in a report that criticized the memos for a "lack of thoroughness, objectivity and candor."

The internal report also faulted then-Attorney General John Ashcroft and then-Criminal Division chief Michael Chertoff for not scrutinizing the memos and recognizing their flaws, but the report did not cite them for misconduct.



Finding fault but not recommending prosecution or punishment, that's like saying you understand why the Alabama Professor did what she did and not recommending she be tried for her crimes. I mean stress and all that.

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Lothrop Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:59 AM
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20. Disappointing
but not surprising.

It's a protection racket.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:05 PM
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21. "poor judgment"
:argh:
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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:25 PM
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22. Did they take into account what Cheney said last Sunday that
Edited on Sat Feb-20-10 01:36 PM by ThomThom
they were told to give that advise? They knowing gave bad advise because they were told to, so the administration could make it look like there was a reasonable difference of opinion on the legality of torture. They should still be disbarred for giving such clearly wrong legal advise but I don't think it was criminal what they did. The criminal part comes in when Bush invaded and tortured no matter what advise was given to him. If someone told me it was not against the law to rob a bank and acting on that advise I knock off the Bank of America branch down the street, when I was caught I would be convicted. The person telling me it was ok would walk away, laughing probably. Bush should have known invasion was wrong, torture was wrong, holding people with out legal representation or trial is wrong and because he did these things he should suffer the consequences. Cheney too.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:08 PM
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24. It reminds me of a ruling by that old rogue that the British Establishment and media used
to lionize, Lord Denham, one-time Master of the Rolls, namely, that a professional man could not 'blunder', but could only 'make an error of judgement'.

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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 04:48 PM
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26. It's that "Change" Thingy, Remember Watergate, Iran Contra ..
Bush V Gore, Plamegate, October surprises .. On and on it goes.

They ALWAYS come back
Your children can thank Obama and this Dem congress for the next batch of fascist that come crashing through the door. Who knows, Perhaps next time they simply won't leave.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 06:52 PM
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29. That is so very well and concisely said, it deserves it's own OP
Sadly, I said this MANY times in the years 2001-2008, that my worst nightmare was that our next Leader (long before Obama was a blip on the radar) would merely be a placeholder for the Bushie Imperium, who would replicate the mistakes of gutless Democratic predecessors. Specifically Clinton on Iran-Contra & Iraqgate, though I mentioned every one of your examples at one time or another - as it was so obvious.

Kind of creepy watching it, especially after having such foolish high-hopes for Obama & his administration against the Corporate Media/RW Lie Machine Fusion and the rest of the Corporate Infrastructure of Power that now dominates damned near every aspect of our political system.

There can be no doubt that we are 100% correct in our assessment.

The only question left is, in 2013 (and 2017 is possible but unlikely in that the Bushies, who remain essentially the true Rulers of America, seem to be moving VERY fast indeed as they get closer to whatever their Final Solution will be) and on, will the American Corporatists be the same as their antecedents, the 1920s and 30s German Industrialists, and lose control of what they create.

Will we see in our lifetimes actual CLASSICAL Totalitarianism from our future Bushie Overlords, or will they be able to maintain the hothouse flower of current "plausibly deniable" Inverted Totalitarianism in the face of future building of societal stressors, many of which they personally cultivated through the Corporate Media/RW Lie Machine Fusion?

We get to watch it unfold, whether we want to or not.

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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 12:02 AM
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31. Great Post. And yea, It's like watching a very slow trainwreck
right in from of your eyes while folks walk by like nothing is happening

Till Next Time !

History, It just messes with your mind.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 04:49 PM
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27. It's time to move forward beyond this so we can heal.
:crazy:
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