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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:13 AM
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If you like justices like Sotomayor......
...then make sure the Senate stays in Democratic control this November.


Because if the GOP takes control of the Senate, there won't be any more judges like her getting confirmed.



After the SCOTUS rules in coming weeks that the 2nd Amendment is absolute and invalidates any local or state gun control laws, remember that the court is stacked 5-4 in conservatives' favor because too many people in this country were conned into thinking there's no difference between Bush and Gore.

Last month, the SCOTUS ruled that corporations have 1st amendment rights of individuals. The ruling was 5-4. Remember that the next time someone tries to convince you there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans.


The (D) next to a candidate's name matters. It means more Sotomayors and less Scalias.


And that's more important that any progressive purity test.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:15 AM
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1. perhaps you should be adressing Obama
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:16 AM
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2. Amen.
:kick: & REC'D.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:24 AM
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3. K&R.
:hi:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:25 AM
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4. ...
:hi:
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Jared P Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:30 AM
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5. Wanting increased gun control vs defending real people against psuedo-people.
These two issues are not the same at all. Why does this always seem to come down on democrat v. republican? Can't I be a well-armed liberal?

The second amendment was intended to allow a well-armed militia for national defense. This madness of continuous aggressive warfare is contrary to the very wording of the constitution and surrounding debate. It could be argued that the militia should be better trained and regulated rather than every Bubba gets a gun, but by all means let us restore the militia as the core of our defense rather than a massive army overseas with even more mercenaries.

The idea of a "corporate" person is a travesty and a direct attack upon the free speech and well being of us all. On that I think there is no disagreement. However I fear no government so much as the government that is afraid of having its own citizens being armed. This constant crime and jail state is a symptom of the disease at the heart of our culture. Guns are tools and I trust my neighbors with a gun far more than I do the average police officer I meet in the street. The answer is not to take away our tools. The answer is building the trust and cooperation in our society. Without that, guns or no guns, this mad murder and crime rate will continue.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:44 AM
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6. I'm a "well-armed liberal" but gun laws are my least priority
when it comes to the question of which way the Supreme court falls. Anyone thinking about giving the 2012 election to the repubs by throwing away their vote on a 3rd party candidate, or not voting at all, should ask themselves if they want more decisions empowering corporations, Roe v Wade tossed out the window, and so on. Because a single conservative appointment to the highest bench will throw the balance of power that way.
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Jared P Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:26 AM
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17. Fair enough.
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 02:29 AM by Jared P
I just don't see how these issues habitually end up on opposite sides of the political fence.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:02 PM
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23. I'm not so sure they do. DU opinion is about 50-50 for (or against) gun laws.
(Of course I've never heard a republican crusading for stringent gun control.)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:45 AM
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7. A big big Rec....
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:50 AM
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8. They'll be so far to the right that we'll all be wearing white birkas with crosses on our chins,
unemployed, uninsured, uncovered, spied on, no property real or personal, nothing to eat, nothing to drink, radiactive rain, anthrax attacks, World War III, bio-attacks, war with cuba and mexico and canada (closer/cut costs wars), dead seas, plagues and yellow alerts with duct tape. Mmmmm sounds so teabag doesn't it.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:06 PM
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26. You paint a very accurate picture
of life in this country if we do not stand together as dems behind our president.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:52 AM
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9. reasonable point. kr
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:54 AM
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10. why did our "Democrats" just roll over for BushCo nominees?
:mad:
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:56 AM
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11. I like Sotomayor, Some of these Dem Senators I don't, So..
I'd rather eat shit sandwiches served by Re-Pukes than vote for
any of these goddamned back stabbing blue dog fucks and that goes for
that piece of shit Lieberman as well. Fuck 'em.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:57 AM
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12. Nope. No more blackmail.
If anyone wants to retire, do it now. I don't think any of SCOTUS are retiring in the next 2 years. No one is terribly old. No more blackmail. If my candidate is an pro-insurance lobby, pro-banking lobby, wimpy bipartisan who's going along with Arne Duncan's Charters, Obama's Af-Pak, and, well, Obama's Medicare bullshit, I'm done.

The evil just ain't much lesser any more. Another wimpy supreme court moderate isn't going to save this country.

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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:06 AM
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13. Stevens almost certainly is, but probably before this summer. n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:38 AM
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21. I'm with you. This is tired old bullshit.
If you want my vote, earn it. Period.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:06 AM
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14. If you like anything resembling basic decency and sanity in public policy
keep the Republicans out.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:16 AM
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15. We need to act like progressives not regressives
I am not happy with some stuff Obama Admin. has done, but I am happy with some they have. I don't think we would be where we are with McCain/Palin and seriously watching the republicans and some of our so called progressives, I think it is hard to imagine we have gotten done what we have. I read in True Compass about Ted Kennedy and his problems with Carter and yet he tried to work with Carter until it came the right time to think about running against him in the primaries. Kennedy wisely saw that there is a time to try and work with the president and then a time to try and defeat him in the primaries. I also live in McCain's home state and I see how little he has done for this state, and I also realize that Obama won the Democratic Primaries over some well respected liberals. I knew Obama was not a liberal and I never expected him to do liberal things, but hoped and hope he will do enough to move us farther away from the fascism that has crept into our government. I don't expect miracles and anyone who does is not being realistic. I saw Katrina mismanagement, suffered from it first hand, and still have my twin in that region, I certainly don't want to see a REPUKE in control because we pulled the trigger too early on Obama. I call the White House and Senate, I have been to the offices of the congress people, and even met Kyl in person, which was very eye opening. Happy or not with all that Obama has or hasn't done, I can assure you it is better than it would have been with McCain. If Obama doesn't improve things enough to justify re-election and a good person runs, then it is time to throw in the towel, but right now isn't that time and we must not feed the right with our giving up right now.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:23 AM
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16. I find it absolutely astounding that it's taken Obama & Co. a year and half to utter the phrase
"Up Or Down Vote" vis a vis Health Care.

Back when Bush was President, the meme that Ideologically-based filibusters were fundamentally undemocratic was pumped out through the media almost daily.

Now, somehow, they're a time-honored tradition, like Apple Fucking Pie.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:42 AM
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18. year and a half?
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 02:45 AM by SargeUNN
how does 13 months equal a year and half? I must be misunderstanding but Obama has only been in office about 13 months.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:50 AM
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22. It feels like a year and half, that's for sure. There was basically a full year of fucking around on
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 03:51 AM by Warren DeMontague
health care. The "town hall meetings"? Grrrrrreat fuckin' idea. Let the media give a whole bag full o' airtime to the worst, loudest, shoutingist right-wing assholes in every congressional district.

Oh, that's funny, too- how the media managed to ignore a whole series of absolutely HUGE anti-Iraq war protests- yet now, apparently, all you need to do to get airtime on a major cable network is hold a misspelled sign and hang teabags on an ugly fuckin' hat. You can't escape the coverage that this idiotic "teabag" shit has gotten-- Do you remember any Iraq protesters being interviewed about their "movement"? I don't.

But in answer to your post, yeah, okay, a year, not a year and a half. Seems to me they fucked around way too long on health care. And the bottom line is, they're only now saying "up or down vote". Every time Bush wanted to put some knuckle-dragging Torquemada on the Federal Bench, we were told they 'deserve an up or down vote'.


...:eyes:
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:08 PM
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29. It feels like a brief shining moment in time to me. The Bushco era felt like eternity in hell. nt
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:09 AM
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19. But Bush could only make those appointments because the Republicans held 60 seats in the Senate.
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 03:11 AM by Umbral
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:25 AM
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20. 1,526 verse of the same refrain.
I would have thought we should have heard enough of this one during the election. Regardless, the threat has lost its power.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:05 PM
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24. If Dems like their job then they should try acting like Dems. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:05 PM
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25. I guess in November, we'll find out how many voters think...
that giving the GOP the reins again is a good idea.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:07 PM
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27. If they want the votes of the left, they have to earn them.
It's called democracy.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:08 PM
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28. Who's arguing that the second amendment is absolute?
You might actually want to read about the case, rather than listening to talking heads in 8 second quips.

At issue is 1) Does the second amendment apply to state and local governments, and 2) If so, does Chicago's total ban on handgun ownership fall afoul of #1.

Sure there may be more challenges to various regulations, but that's no guarantee that any regulation short of a ban will be overturned.

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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:51 PM
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30. BIG K & R
:kick:



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