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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:07 PM
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I wanted national health care and all I got was this t-shirt...(epic rant)
:rant:

I've written my various rants on this same topic before and frankly, this is my last, because regardless of what 77% of this nation wants, we will still only get this bill.

So here we are, after a year long battle of stupidity.

Tea party morons, not even realizing how stupid their name is, chose to protest against their own best interests and allowed themselves to be the stooges of the corporate talking point machine.

We seemed to be treated daily to an ever changing message of what "the people" want for health care, but what never escaped those who were paying attention, that the real message was "what was best for the corporations".

We have devolved so far from what we originally wanted: National Health Care.

It went from single payer to public option to medicare for all to mandates back to public option, then nothing. In the end? A bill that is just a compilation of ideas. There are some good things in it, some, but really is this what we wanted in the first place? Is this the best our elected representatives can do? Obviously and sadly yes. This is it.

Even though, we, as a nation (77% of us) demand a public option, the politicians wring their hands saying, "there just aren't the votes", even though Dodd (believe him or not) stated that if there is a public option in the reconciliation he would whip the votes, even though, nancy Peloci stated that "there will be a public option" and, even though, Obama went on record as also saying, "I won't sign a bill that doesn't have a public option included", alas, there still isn't one.

So who or what am I to believe anymore?

Everyone cheers on Grayson with his medicare buy in, that's nice, but what of the people who still can't afford it? Aren't we back to were we started? Reform for those who have health care and ignoring the uninsured?

I thought the whole point of this now bizarre exercise was to 1) get those who don't have insurance, insured 2) allow those who have insurance to be able to buy from a competitive field of choices 3) fix part d of medicare 4) allow competition in buying prescription drugs.

Are we going to get any of these?

Granted, wee are getting people who are denied coverage the ability to get insurance, but if those same people still can't afford that same insurance, what gain is made?

I refuse to call this health care bill reform, because it isn't. It's nothing more that what could have already been passed via normal bills, but the only difference is that they are bundling it together and creating drama for the sake of drama.

Frankly, I'm probably like millions of Americans who have had it. I'll take what ever the fuck they give us, because what I want, what millions of Americans want, is no longer considered or, it seems has ever mattered.

On the surface, reform is good, but honestly, the American public as been so beaten down by this political charade, that we are willing to take even this "reform" with the "promise" of more "reform" later.

Like a hungry dog, I'll take this meatless bone. It's something, is what I will mutter.

The congress people know exactly how their bread is buttered. I'm not talking about the republicans, we know perfectly well why they obstruct 1) because they can and like it 2) because their corporate masters will cut off the money spigot if they go along with the bill 3) they don't care for the middle or poor classes but enjoy using them to achieve their goals.

I'm talking about the Dems. They also take money from big pharma and the health care corps. They dance to that tune as much as the repubs do. Granted there are some good Dems. Ones that fight the good fight but they are quickly or quietly shouted down and told to stop rocking the boat. (when was the last time you heard from Russ Feingold?) In the end, they are basically drowned out.

Going into this mess, I wanted national health care. Not "reform", but National Health Care. Having a single payer would have been the ultimate "reform", a public option slightly less better would have also been really really nice but instead we are getting the old "ease" in. Folks, that's not reform.

But since the current political landscape is completely polarized, having a minor "reform" with promises of more later amounts to a shallow promise costumed as something "major".

As I wrote in the past, if this bill passes, do you honestly believe that what ever repub pres gets in (and don't delude yourself that there won't be another repub pres at some point in the near future), they won't do everything in their power to get rid of this flimsy bill?

It's like this, if we got a robust public option, by the time a repuke got in, people, even tea bagging morons, would have realized, "this isn't so bad, in fact it's pretty damn good", but with this "reform", it can easily be dismantled lock stock and barrel right before our eyes. In the grand scheme of things, the amount of people this will effect will be a very small amount.

If however, joe blow from Kokomo, who didn't have health care, suddenly got some and not only that, but his brother who was paying out the ass for insurance, was suddenly was able to afford a plan and not go into bankruptcy, repub or dem, those two guys and their families would suddenly be singing it's praises. It would never ever go away, no matter what the repukes in congress did, majority or not.

But alas, we ain't gettin' that.

What we are getting is the "better than nothing bill". The bill that the congress people over time can massage, cut and paste, add and subtract as they please to suit the prevailing political winds.

Are you really expecting things to be added in the future?

Again, as I stated in a past posting, when Social Security was passed, even then, there were republicans who understood it's need and voted for it. This time, no way. I see this as being the pinnacle of our attempt at national health care, after this it's all down hill. They repubs will feed on this thing the next time they are in power like a vulture on road kill.

I honestly hope I am very wrong. Book mark this and tell me later on "I told you so, you were wrong". And if things get better with health care reform, I will gladly, with a giant grin, say I was wrong and I am happy I am wrong, but sadly,I don't believe so.

By the end of this week, as it has been claimed, we will get Health Care "reform". What has always been in the back of my mind has been something more disturbing. Okay, so we get "reform", then what? After this years grudge match of teh stupids, do you honestly believe the Dems will now wade into that pool yet again, to improve upon it? Do you really believe that they of whom, "kept their powder dry" will now go toe to toe to create a public option? I laugh. I laugh loud and long.

Unless it's included now, any hope of a public option will vanish from the landscape faster than WMD's in Iraq.

As the song goes, It's now or never.

:rant:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:09 PM
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1. k/r
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:10 PM
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2. Why do you hate on The Insurance and Pharma Profit Protection Act?
:cry:

Nice rant!

Both parties have spent the past year deliberately polarizing the political landscape.

K&R
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:43 PM
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10. it would be very funny, if it wasn't true.
The WH udner the (corporate interest) of rahm & Jim Messina sold out the American people to a higher bidder. :mad:
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:11 PM
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3. K+R
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leftygolfer Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:25 PM
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4. It might be more politics than true reform but ...
Right now, we need a "win" of any kind. I hope it improves in time. But for the sake of keeping Republicans out of office, and actual healthcare aside, I'll just take the win.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:41 AM
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20. Same fear mongering, similar black mail approach as only electoral value proposition...
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 10:46 AM by liberation
It is astounding how similar the GOP and the Dem parties have become.

No that I can blame them, it is far easier to run a political platform based on generalized fear... than to actually offer a positive vision for the average American citizen, and then define, stand, and fight for policies which articulate said vision. All that requires actual work, and who wants to do that? When one can simply invoke a boogie man as the "enemy" and expect people to vote based on fear rather than in actual hope.

Most of the advocates of the current status quo seem to be under the impression that people's dislike of shit sandwiches is due mainly to an ill-advised choice of bread.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:54 PM
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27. This is not a 'win'.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:30 PM
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5. You're getting a shirt?
Fuck that, I want a shirt, too.


K&R
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:31 PM
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6. This right here is why I anticipate a Democratic spanking in 2012:
I'm talking about the Dems. They also take money from big pharma and the health care corps. They dance to that tune as much as the repubs do. Granted there are some good Dems. Ones that fight the good fight but they are quickly or quietly shouted down and told to stop rocking the boat. (when was the last time you heard from Russ Feingold?) In the end, they are basically drowned out.

Emphasis mine.

This right here is why I anticipate a Democratic spanking in 2012.

Democrats are pissed off and disillusioned. Republicans are pissed off and motivated. And like Truman said, "Given a Republican and a Democrat that acts like a Republican, the people will choose the Republican every time."

People like me who voted for change are understanding that little has changed in the way that power, through money, is wielded in Washington.

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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:13 PM
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23. Vote Green
I knew Obama was a corporatist from the beginning.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:47 PM
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25. I'm considering it. n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:32 PM
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7. Considering the amount of deregulation and corporate ass-kissing in the last few decades
I can't imagine this bill won't get shredded in the coming years.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:35 PM
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8. pony? n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:38 PM
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9. It was Senator Dick Durbin who said that he would...
...whip for the public option if it's in the House reconciliation bill, and whip against it if it isn't.

Nancy Pelosi said it isn't.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:19 PM
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14. Thanks for the correction...
and as far as Peloci, she made that statement, I believe, in either December or January
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:44 PM
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11. but but but they will 'fix it' later.....
and I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you for the right price.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:52 AM
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21. LOL. Given the success in fixing the Patriot Act, FISA, Nafta, Gramm-Leach-Bliley...
... and the grand daddy of them all: the war resolutions against Afghanistan and Iraq.

Why would them pesky progressives have any reservations about this piece of sh*t bill being fixed later? right?

Although on the positive side, give the naivete of some of the proponents of the health care bill... there is a clear business opportunity for those selling primo real estate in Brooklyn and ocean front properties in Arizona.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:56 PM
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12. well, even Republicans added some things to Medicare just recently


didn't even pay for them, just added on.



And in any case, these bills are all MUCH MUCH better than what we have now. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of the facts.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:15 PM
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13. I've seen better explanations to the converse
Your detailed assertion to the opposite not withstanding, I've seen very good breakdowns of the senate bill that explain exactly why it isn't all that much reform. And even Obama said is was a warmed over version of an GOP bill from 15 years ago. So on the surface, I'm not sure why suggesting that it isn't all that good is "ignorant".
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hoosier_lefty Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:20 PM
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15. 10 years from now it will be seen as a missed opportunity.

With the economic crisis in full swing it should have been
sold as a way to help fix the ailing economy. I don't think we
will see an opportunity like this again for a generation.

I get pissed off when the wingnuts talk about the cost. Bush gave
away 350 billion a year in tax cuts to the rich and the pentagon spends
about 1.5 trillion a year.

As costs continue to rise over the next decade, this
will be seen as a missed opportunity and Obama and the Dem's
will be saddled with the blame.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:04 AM
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16. Yep.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:18 AM
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17. 10 Years from now it will be seen as a "Contributing Factor"
I'm not sure to what, but I know it wont be good.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:03 AM
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18. And when it's determined that it isn't "working", then what?
The Dems will suffer for it, the citizens will be scrood & the Rethugs will dismantle it leaving us in a worse position, I'm sure. How long will that take? Until the loopholes come home to roost & if Anthem is the pattern, it won't take long at all.

Beautiful rant by the way. Thanks.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:56 AM
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22. Then the proponents of this bill will have moved to greener pastures of concern...
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 11:00 AM by liberation
... and they will most likely request silence from those pointing out the obvious hubris that ensued from this so called health care "reform." After all, we liberals should "let bygones be bygones, and focus on the future... you know, no need to dwell in the past." I am sure, they will find a creative way of blaming the outcome of the bill they supported on those who were opposing it. That is always a nice touch.

After all, by then... they will have some new shitty bill to shovel down our throats, so their "concern" would be firmly focused on the "new and improved" crap that we need to stand behind, else "the republicans will win, boohoooohoohooo." No time for facts or historical track records, fear... fear.... support a party through thick and thin or else the puppy gets it!

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:04 AM
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19. K&R
:kick:
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Paper Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:05 PM
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24. I have yet to hear or read about specific points re: robust option.
I may have missed the breakdown of whatever that means. As I interpret "robust option", it means nothing. Just words. We've been had, I really don't expect anything from this -by the end of the week- stuff.
For years, My family paid through the nose, with after tax dollars, for health insurance. Now that I am old enough for Medicare, I feel a little better personally but I KNOW what everyone is going through without inadequate insurance.

Even if something worthwhile passes, how many will suffer and die, how many will go bankrupt before any meaningful help is available. It is a disgrace.

End our endless wars. Help the American people, Congress. I'm sick and tired of spending trillions overseas to bomb the hell out of some country so we could have our shores protected (BS!!). If we spent that money at home, we would be economically strong, we would have health care for our citizens, our infrastructure would not be falling apart, our kids would be learning. Drug lords could be put put of business because we could afford it.

We now have a great country that is on the brink of disaster.

This is my opinion, you may have yours. Please don't tell me we are the greatest nation in the world, I'm sick of hearing it.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:51 PM
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26. "What we are getting is the "better than nothing bill"." Unfortunately, even THAT is debatable.
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 04:53 PM by Edweird
I am convinced this bill is worse than what we already have, while leaving the administration breaking their own arms patting themselves on the back. The political fallout from this will be nasty.
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