Group Wants “Confederate Southern American” As Census Category

[cynatnite]

Confederate rights activists want southerners with Confederate ancestors to declare themselves “Confederate Southern Americans” to qualify for national origin protection under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Federal law makes it illegal to discriminate because of a person’s birthplace, ancestry, culture or language. The South Carolina-based Southern Legal Resource Center believes that people with ancestors who were citizens of the Confederate States of America should be entitled to ethnic identity and protection since the country no longer exists.

Question 9 of the census form asks respondents to identify their race and lists White, Black/African American/Negro, American Indian, Native Alaskan, Japanese and Korean as options, among others. But it also leaves a box with 19 blank spaces for anyone who wants to write in another race not listed.

“Fill in ‘Confed Southern Am.’ … This will put your Confederate nationality on the record. It’s just that simple,” SLRC Chief Trial Counsel Kirk D. Lyons says…”We can start the process to give the southern community here in America a voice again, so that our concerns will be heard, and so that we will stop being harassed and persecuted because we are proud of our southern and Confederate ancestry.”

http://www.alan.com/2010/03/26/group-wants-confederate-southern-american-as-census-category/

As one who has lived in the South for several years, I have yet to witness one incident of someone being harrassed or persecuted because they are Southern.

[bullwinkle428]

1. Well, this should make the FEMA camp roundups run much more efficiently!

:hide:

[cynatnite]

2. Oh, no you didn't just go there!

:rofl:

[Tx4obama]

3. Alan Colmes' website is pretty interesting

http://www.alan.com/

Nice round-up of articles over there ;)

http://www.alan.com/

[Historic NY]

4. Confederates are the losers.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

5. Feeling sorry for Lincoln and my great-grandfather

Both dead.

AND IT'S STILL NOT OVER!!!!

[MUAD_DIB]

17. Do you know where your GG fought?

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

22. He died May 23, 1864 at Jericho Ford, VA.

[MUAD_DIB]

36. My GGGF fought with Phil Sheridan. I'm not sure where exactly yet.

My parents have a copy of his discharge papers or something to that effect.

[NoPasaran]

37. So that would be part of the battles on the North Anna

I've been there a couple of times. Do you know anything more about him? I ask because I am a battlefield tramper without any known Civil War ancestors of my own. (My people were part of the Ellis Island flood.) But over the years I've acquired various individuals and regiments whose presence I follow on the fields.

[eShirl]

6. I'll agree, if it's shortened to "Traitor."

[shraby]

7. There never was an actual confederate southern states...

they wanted to be but never pulled it off..the United States stopped them.

[Hekate]

8. Why not just write in White Racist Wingnut and be done with it? That'll fit, too.

[MajorChode]

9. The Southern Legal Resource Center is a racist organization

It's founder, Kirk David Lyons, has a long history of associations with white supremacists and neo-Nazi organizations. His wife is the daughter of a prominent neo-Nazi and his marriage was conducted by the leader of the Aryan Nations on the Aryan Nations compound.

What Kirk David Lyons wants is just as irrelevant as any other racist. Nobody other than neo-Nazis take him seriously.

[flvegan]

10. Confederate rights?

Are there rights these white men are being kept from?

[salguine]

11. it's not that the Confederate States of America no longer exists—it's that it

never existed in the first place.

[That Is Quite Enough]

12. OMG, people with Confederacy fetishes crack me up

[Canuckistanian]

13. How about "Crazy, Batshit"?

There are a whole lot of categories going unexplored.

[Skidmore]

14. Someone tell these fools that they LOST the Civil War.

[havocmom]

25. And there in lies another problem...

How do we get the GOP and wingnuts to face the reality that they lost the election of 2008 when they STILL can't come to grips with that whole Civil War loss issue?

[Ozymanithrax]

15. If they call it Descendents of traitors I'd go for it...

But someone needs to tell these people that the war is over and they fucking lost.

[pdx_prog]

16. I lived in the south for years myself

Jobs are gone, hope is gone, and ignorance and fear are making a lot of them crazy. I was looking on this site earlier and frankly, some of the thinking and posts scared the shit out of me. Some of thes people are on the brink of flipping out.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/dyersburg-tn

[Lars39]

18. Dyersburg is a *very* conservative city.

[pdx_prog]

21. And racist.....oh boy is it racist....eom

[MUAD_DIB]

19. We can't bring the jobs back until the corporations fall in line.

Maybe they'll never come back.


Tax cuts won't help the unemployed, but the poor guys just keep on believing the GOP LInE.

[gmoney]

20. nt

[Liberal In Texas]

23. First of all. Alan Colmes ought to grow a pair.

Someday he should stand up for what he proports to believe in.

I went to the site on your link. I still cannot believe if this is the Onion or a legit site.

It reminds me of Spike Lee's movie "The Confederate States of America" which was a biting parody.

Did I miss a joke here?

Do tell.

[Aristus]

35. "C.S.A." was directed by Kevin Wilmott. Spike Lee produced.

It's credited as a Hodcarrier Film. Hodcarrier is Wilmott's film company.

[TwilightGardener]

24. "Confederate Southern American"--is that what they're calling "inbred racist rednecks" now?

[ashling]

26. My legal analysis - yes I am an attorney and have an M.A. in govt.

While working on my masters, I did quite a bit of research into International law, including secession and Statehood (nationhood). I have also taught Constitutional Law.

It might shock many southerners and TeaKluxKlanners, including many here in Texas, that there never existed a country called the Confederate States of America.

Texas v. White (1869) holds that the South never seperatedfrom the Union - no legal separation - and therefore the Confederate States of America never existed as a country.

This case dealt with $50 million in United States Bonds transfered to the State of Texas in 1851 which were made payable to the state and were to be redeemed in 1864. In 1862, during the unsuccessful rebellion, the state used the bonds to purchase war supplies. after the failed rebellion, Texas tried to reclaim the bonds.

The Court had to decide if 1. Texas was a state in the union and eligible to seek redress from the Supreme Court, and 2. whether or not it could constitutionally reclaim the bonds.

The Court held that Texas could sue for redress as a state in the Union. It also held that White did not have any claim to the bonds. In court held that states had no right to unilaterally secede from the Union and that that the actions of the insurgent state of Texas - even if ratified by a majority of Texasns - was "absolutely null. The court also found that Texas had always been a staqte, even during the period of rebellion.

In addition to that, the Confederate States of America, actually a paramilitary organization that was formed in the Southern part of the United States of America, did not meet all of the traditional international requirements for Statehood, which are:

territory
sovereignty
established legal organization (& control)
population
independence
unity

The CSA were neither soveriegn, nor did the at any time have full control over the territoty they claimed. (Unionists in East Tennessee, Free State of Jones in Jones County, Mississippi, et al.) Unity was, therefore, also in question.

South Carolina, where this absurd claim arises, was the first state in the United States to ATTEMPT to secede from the Union, but, by virtue of Texas v. White, that act - and any act of the state during the period of rebellion were "absolutely null."

[Odin2005]

27. Lets call them Fascist Traitors for short.

[guitar man]

28. Sure, why not?

Just one thing, a slight name change for the category. Instead of Confederate Southern American we put 'em down as " Piss Ignorant Crakkker". See, the difference is so slight you can hardly tell the difference . :evilgrin:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

29. I will admit to having monkey wrenched this census a bit

the form was pretty simple with not nearly as much opportunity for it as others have been.

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[Iggo]

30. Group of idiots is idiots.

[Golden Raisin]

31. Well, blay-ess their hearts!

I suspect this particular bit of apoplexy is more about those who just cannot stand that there's a black family living in the White House.

[struggle4progress]

33. Yeah! And why isn't "Klingon" a choice? What's up with that?

[Historic NY]

38. Next thing you know the lizard people will want redress.

[EFerrari]

34. Good. Then they can be registered like sex and other human rights offenders.

[salin]

39. fair play - if you want a category that says that you affiliate with the group

that fought bloodily to secede, than there should be a counter category: "American who does not regret the success of the civil war."

[gkhouston]

40. couldn't they just call it "cracker"?

:shrug:

[kevinbgoode]

41. They have no "southern confederate history". . .

and the United States didn't recognize the "confederacy"...so in our government's eyes, it never really existed. Moreover, those who were "citizens" of the "Confederacy" were first citizens of the United States of America, and I would suspect there might not have been dual-citizenship protections or laws on the books with a rebellious region of the country.

What someone needs to start pointing out to these clowns is that their insistence on being recognized as "confederate southern american" also means they are abrogating their AMERICAN or UNITED STATES citizenship. As such, I think someone should indicate that, unless each of these families can produce documentation of having the American citizenship their families apparently renounced restored, they be considered illegal aliens without any citizenship at all.

[depakid]

42. “Fill in ‘Confed Southern Am.’

:rofl: