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srf Rantz Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:02 AM
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Who's afraid of Naomi Wolf?
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 08:08 AM by srf Rantz
link: http://www.alternet.org/news/146184/naomi_wolf_thinks_the_tea_parties_help_fight_fascism_--_is_she_on_to_something_or_in_fantasy_land__?page=2

I know this article has been posted already, but I can't find the thread.

Having looked to Naomi Wolf as the canary in the coal mine who warned us during the Bush years when so much was put in place to assure a coming "fascist shift", I am shocked and amazed, that in her recent interview Ms. Wolf did not call out the major point that while the Tea Party movement may be recognizing some "loss of freedom" and other signs of "government" encroachment they are not seeing the same things that she did and pointed to in her books and lectures or misinterpreting them.

Wolf overlooks the evidence that their sense of "loss of freedom" is a reaction to empowerment of peoples unlike themselves (i.e. the increased access to health care insurance for the poor, obviously meaning blacks), and that the blame for the "coming government takeover" is being redirected and firmly placed on the demonized Liberals (enemy within) who are now targeted for violence and intimidation, effectively making the Tea Partiers the SA type street thugs used by the new Fascist movement to take control, not the alert citizenry she makes them out to be in her recent interview.

This is so clear from her own work, that I seriously wonder if they have gotten to her. I recall her saying in her lecture that she would clam up when it reached the point that journalists were arrested (Amy Goodman at the RNC) and now has been intimidated herself, but that would be crazy talk wouldn't it?

Just days ago I wondered in another post where she was and why she wasn't speaking out on what the recent call to violence and rebellion of the Tea party crowd heralded. Now here she is basically claiming that they are true defenders of the consititution, and other RW talking points such as blaming Obama.

While it is certainly true that all the dangerous laws put in place by Cheney/Bush are still in force and Obama has not repealed them, that does not lead one to believe that he is part of the conspiracy to use them to install a fascist regime. All it shows is how entrenched they are and how really powerless Obama and the Democrats may be. Not whether or not they are powerless or corrupted willingly.

This is classic Fascist propagandizing, following the blueprint which Wolf so clearly laid out. We are in the phase now where confusion reigns, everyone accuses everyone else of being the enemy, everyone suspects everyone else. the media and the punditry on all sides are used to feed the confusion, thus nurturing the "yearning for order (Fascism)" that Chris Hedges also recently wrote about.

Sadly both Wolf and Hedges have now joined the chorus of "its the Liberal Elite" who are to blame. Yet in doing so, they, and the Tea Parties as well, while correctly in some ways pointing out that it is the corporate oligarchy who are the real enemies, still fall prey to the misdirection of the propaganda to blame the Liberals.

To see who is the "real" enemy of a corporate fascist takeover you simply have to look at who they are demonizing and you will see who they view as the main threat to their agenda.

Wolf said in her lecture that at a certain point Democracy can longer be counted on to save Democracy. We are past that point now. The rage on the left that Obama and the Democrats have been largely ineffectual, despite many legislative successes, in stopping the powers of the corporatocracy is a symptom of how entrenched that power is.

There are some key points that do come thru in the linked interview, points that I have tried to make before. The Tea Partiers are rightfully angry, they do sense that they and their concerns have been overlooked and that they are being screwed mightily, by something, someone. We needed to join with them and redirect their anger and energy back at the real source of their frustration. But I fear it is much too late for that because of the hold of Beck and Palin over their minds and the targets of their hate-driven passion and energy. (Frank Rich's recent piece brilliantly describes the darker side of some of the real roots of this feeling of disenfranchisement as well which is why its been so easy to redirect them against us as the culprits.)

But what we on the Left must not do is fall into the trap along with the Tea Partiers that the attempts to crack down on the RW militias are somehow signs of the "government" following thru on stifling dissent and that they are the victims and the true "freedom fighters". These people are dangerous. They do need to be prevented from acting out.

Its really a no win situation once this begins. Either they carry out their plans or are arrested. It doesn't matter, either outcome is meant to stir up even more fury and instigate more violence against the "government", leading to the inevitable martial law, from which it is but a baby step to make the transition to the final loss of freedom and the installation of a truly Fascist authoritarian regime.

I don't know what can be done to stop it. I had hoped Wolf would have some clues from her exhaustive research, but perhaps it has never been turned back at this point.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:18 PM
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1. heady considerations you convey compellingly.
There is a piece at Mother Jones about a serial revolutionary named Popovic. I have stated repeatedly that what must be staged is something of a bloodless coup. Someone here once wrote, 'somewhere between the freeple and the sheeple, we've got to find we the people'.

The opposition climbs the same mountain, but do so from the angle of a much different slope. The division we experience is by design, like the bickering brothers from the Ocean's movies, folks are so focused on the conflict, they don't see it as a diversion.

Happy to rec.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:23 PM
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2. Here's the thread I started:
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srf Rantz Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:22 PM
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3. thanks. I meant to reply to it the other day
this development on the part of naomi is very perplexing.

is it ok to cross post here? not my whole piece but a snippet and a link?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:28 PM
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5. Perhaps there's a misinterpretation of what she's driving at?
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srf Rantz Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:46 PM
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9. I've read the interview several times
trying to see if she was trying to walk a fine line and get a message through.

but this seems to be a clear cut rec of the Tea party as fighters of Fascism


NW: Even though I’m appalled when racism surfaces, and I personally don’t agree with certain policy solutions and a lot of what they believe in, as someone who is very concerned about reinvigorating democracy the Tea Parties are an answer to what I asked for.

I was basically saying don’t sit around waiting for the two corrupted established parties to restore the Constitution or the Republic. The founding generation was birthed by the rabble of all walks of life that got fed up and did risky things because they were captivated by the breath of liberty. There is a looming oligarchy and it is up to the people to organize a grassroots movement and push back. You guys have to do it yourself. Their response is the most visible and the initiative they show is the most recognizable. People of all kinds are waking up. Even people passionate for Obama realize even that knight on a white horse isn’t enough to roll back the oligarchy. I’m seeing a lot of action on the left as well that is never reported. But the Tea Party response is the most visible and the initiative they show is the most recognizable.


and I don't thinks she's stupid or forgetful, or just overlooking something as some posit in the other thread.
she does seem to be walking a line here, mentions the looming oligarchy, but says we have to organize to stop it and then lauds the teapers for doing just that.
she also rags on liberals, specifically elitist liberals like herself, like they do, but doesn't go so far as to say they are the ones to be dragged out and beaten.

It just seems so freaking paranoid to say she's been gotten too and has to cover her ass.

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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:51 PM
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10. It sounds like her analysis is just off
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 02:51 PM by noise
I mean it's a pretty big tell when they get so much media coverage. If they were truly a grassroots freedom movement then they would likely get no coverage. And they might actually have consistent views on freedom from government.
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:35 PM
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7. Her take doesn't make sense
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 02:39 PM by noise
The teabaggers are cheering for fascism.

ETA: The labels thrown around are BS. For example, saying HCR is a communist takeover. It's absurd. Or when the teabaggers pretend they are all about freedom. Total BS. They support the police state policies. They only get upset when there is talk of holding civilian trials for terrorists or when government power is used to actually help people.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:39 PM
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8. I suspect it's along the lines of Chomsky's recent view that the left should try....
... to win some of the TBers over since some are simply misguided
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:56 PM
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11. One can point out why citizens
should be upset with government corruption without justifying the teabagger movement.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:10 PM
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13. You're overstating their position: the chief thrust isn't to 'justify' their 'movement.'
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:24 PM
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4. I just checked your thread....
The term "Stefpford Wives" comes to mind.

Seriously, this is a strange turn for Naomi.

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srf Rantz Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:33 PM
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6. check Echos original thread too
not sure what to do right now as far as discussing this. MODS!!! help the newbie!

but go to Naomi's facebook page and see all the teahadists posting there, with freeper-like reactions to the recent round-up of the dirtbags in Michigan. frameup, media collusion, it's on boys...etc...

these are the people she warned us about!!!

how can she now be praising them for stepping up to fight fascism????

strange indeed...
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:09 PM
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12. I did check Echos original thread...
I was just confused as to who originated it.

I will check her Facebook page...This sounds very strange.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:12 PM
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14. Wolf not only hugged that baby - she drank its bath water
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srf Rantz Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 06:16 AM
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15. this is not the same woman who wrote this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/the-battle-plan-ii-sarah_b_128393.html

Please understand what you are looking at when you look at Sarah "Evita" Palin. You are looking at the designated muse of the coming American police state.

this is the lead. and there is much much more...

in this blog post, she clearly recognizes that Sarah Palin and her rabid followers are shills for the movement to a Police State. and calls them on their bullshit.

and now she simply does not mention that at all.

but does mention and lauds their (clearly bogus) claim to be for supporting the constitution and Liberty.

I'll give you that the thrust of the new interview is not to "justify the movement" but she does give it praise and is careful not to mention its clear and obvious dangers which she railed against loudly in the past.

note the tinge of paranoia and the sense of being watched at the end.

was the whole article evidence of her paranoia carrying her away and she's since got a grip on herself?
or was she on to something real?

very very strange indeed.
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