Boehner: "...if we don't deal with terrorists in Iraq, we will be dealing with them on the streets"

[sabra]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-05-02-bush-veto_N.htm

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Republicans argued that Iraq is an important front in the fight against al-Qaeda militants that began with the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. "Who doesn't believe that if we don't deal with terrorists in Iraq, we will be dealing with them on the streets of America?" asked House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.

:crazy:

[katmondoo]

1. Bush is writing his talking points

[TwilightGardener]

2. They got all the talking points: Terra terra terra! Al qaeda! Al qaeda!

[conspirator]

3. If we don't deal with the russians in Vietnam... n/t

[paparush]

8. Or the Chinese in Korea...

[EstimatedProphet]

4. I, for one, don't believe that, Mr. Boner

[rosesaylavee]

5. We are already dealing with terrorists in the Congress...

they have (R)s after their names. Their anti-constitutional support of spying,anti-Geneva Conventions support of torture, their support of electioneering, etc absolutely terrifies me - that counts, right?

[Nickster]

6. Poor Boehner, he forgets that Al-Qaeda is active in 60+ countries and that by focusing all of our

resources on just one of those countries, we are leaving ourselves vulnerable to all those other groups. They couldn't possibly attack us from one of those other countries now could they? Sheesh.

[Strawman]

7. If you believe that Boehner, where's your bill to reinstate the draft?

Our way of life being at stake would seem to be a sufficient warrant.

"Who doesn't believe that if we don't deal with terrorists in Iraq, we will be dealing with them on the streets of America?"

Isn't the question: who does?

[TwilightGardener]

10. Well, here's a fellow Republican doesn't believe it:

--snip--
What about claims by proponents of the Iraqi intervention that failure to stop the terrorists in Iraq will open the door to them in the American homeland?

"That's nonsense," Hagel replied. "I've never believed that. That's the same kind of rhetoric and thinking that neocons used to get us into this mess and everything that Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith and the vice president all said. Nothing turned out the way they said it would."

--snip--

From WaPo/Bob Novak

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/29/AR2007042901562.html

[Strawman]

18. Of course. Nobody who actually thinks about it really believes it

It's just a conditioning excercise. They think if they just keep repeating it, eventually more sheeple will go back to parroting it. It's not even rhetoric at this point. It's more like hypnosis.

[TwilightGardener]

22. Exactly--resurrect the old lie that worked before, and hope Americans

are so ADD-afflicted and knee-jerk fearful that they won't bother to question the assertions.

[MUAD_DIB]

9. Really, Boner??!! Just how is that going to happen?

Why are all the GOPigs using grade school logic in their arguments?

I guess they are just using the language of their base. Ignorant fuckers.



So a terrorist can't possible want to "take it to the streets here" since US troops are in Iraq?

Dumb. Very dumb, Boner.

[treestar]

30. I have banged my head against the wall with right wingers on this

one - they keep insisting that the Iraq war attracts all the terrorist there, as if the terrorist must go there and there only and would never try anything in the U.S. just because the troops are in Iraq!

:banghead:

[MUAD_DIB]

38. It's like moths to a flame. No not the terrorists...

Uninformed GOPigs and ignorant supposition walk hand in hand.

[FVZA_Colonel]

47. I have never once heard them explain how this would be possible.

The worst logic I've ever seen.

[butterfly77]

11. We sure will ...

since the terrorists are over here already and probably are waiting and planning while bush diddles in Iraqis...

[acmavm]

12. These people need to get a new writer because the one that

they're apparently all using has only one bullshit line, and it's really gotten old.

[Robbien]

13. Yup, terrorists are already here. The FDA has killed off several thousand pets

and is working on getting at humans through fried chicken.

The EPA is killing us off through industrial pollution.

and so on.

Boner is trying to scare us about some Muslims? He has to do a lot better than that.

[NewJeffCT]

14. If we don't deal with the Commies in Vietnam, we will be dealing with them

on the streets of America.

Wasn't something like that said during the 60s & 70s?

[bdamomma]

15. catapulting the propaganda, over and over again

it is getting old alright.

[whosinpower]

16. Did the Iraqi people ask for this?

It is clear that by this reasoning - the nation and people of Iraq are disposable....simply a staging ground for a war they never asked for, never incited, never invited.....it was forced upon them, because......drumroll..... they have oil.

And to use a nation in such a despicable morally bankrupt manner is the height of criminality.

[TwilightGardener]

23. Here's the kicker--Al Qaeda is already here, in sleeper cells--

Tenet said it, and I believe him. They are already here, AND all over the world--why do we need to spend billions of dollars and lose soldiers to be in Iraq to fight them?

Edit--sorry, meant to reply to OP!

[WinkyDink]

28. I don't believe it for a minute.

[TwilightGardener]

36. Why wouldn't you believe it? They were here in 1993, and 2001--we

have fairly unsecured borders and an open society. Why is it hard to believe we don't have terror groups here? I think it's something we have to assume and keep intelligence on.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

17. He makes a good point...

Because the Bush Administration has done so little on Homeland Security, the terrorists probably could just walk right in.

[Bigmack]

19. Are you sure they'll come here, Boner....?

All those POI's (that's Pissed Off Iraqis - the ones who comprise about 90% of the insurgency) are going to get transport, load up all the explosives that the US allowed to go unguarded, and come over here and set up an IED on the freeway? I don't think so.

How about we take a billion bucks a month - 9 billion a month less than we spend on Iraq - add it to the already bloated military budget, and dedicate that staggering sum to a worldwide, multinational effort to stop whatever terrorists there are? We use that money to undercut them, infiltrate them, and isolate them.

Nope.. can't do it. Halliburton wouldn't make diddly that way.

[Old and In the Way]

20. I think we need to implement coastal watches immediately.

There could be an army of Al-Qaeda scuba-divers on the way here now....

[conspirator]

21. Actually you are creating more terrorists, and reinforcing the wish of revenge nt

[depakid]

24. Unfortunately, there are a lot of stupid Americans who believe this tripe

I know a woman from Ohio, as "coincidence" would have it- who parrots almost these exact same words whenever the issue comes up. Suffice it to say, she's not very bright- but on the other hand, she is quite representative of about 40% of the population.

[thecrow]

25. What suddenly made Iraq the Gateway to the US?

As if they're all busting up against the gateway to get at us....?
STFU Republics!

[WinkyDink]

26. So---what's stopping the ones we haven't yet shot from coming here, MORON??

Because they don't want to!

[crim son]

27. Even if I believed that, it is morally repugnant to me

that we take "our" fight to Iraq so that they die while we are comfortably sitting on our couches eating chips and watching "American Idol."

[Frank Cannon]

33. You said it. This is a mentally retarded, insulting lie.

First of all, it's just patently absurd that terrorists are just chomping at the bit to fight against armed troops in Iraq when they could easily come here and hit a nation full of doughy Playstation addicts, mall walkers, and Internet bloggers. You really have to be clinically stupid to believe that.

Secondly, for those people that are dumb enough to buy into that myth, it also implies the belief that it's perfectly OK to allow our "expendable" troops to be fed into a meat grinder as long as we don't have to deal with terrorists here. That's a direct insult to the troops and makes the rest of this great nation look like a country full of cowards.

[treestar]

29. What about the abortion clinic bombing?

We have to learn to deal with them over here anyway, Boner, so may as well do that rather than create more of them over there.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. He should call that idea "The Domino Theory"...oh, wait.

[Skidmore]

32. Someone quick photoshop Boehner dressed in full Condi

regalia including the leather boots.

Who's "we," Boehner?

You know full well that none of these idiots would do anything but turn tail and run if something major happened. I keep thinking of that idiot from I'm not sure where that had the meltdown on Washington Journal one morning. Positively scared out of his shorts on 9/11. Admitted he was frightened to the point of not being able to function. You know, he's that Joe guy who does the "We will never forget September 11th."

[Beelzebud]

34. We already deal with terrorists in America. They're called Republicans.

[Efilroft Sul]

35. Discussion of this matter requires more than the usual left-right knee jerking.

1) The terrorists were already here before 9/11. The Clinton administration knew it, did too little about it in my opinion, but still passed on its urgent findings to the incoming Bush administration in hopes that the new White House would take care of matters. But it didn't. Which leads to the question, are there al Qaeda sleeper cells here waiting to be activated, and if so, why hasn't the White House trumpeted the news of our law enforcement winning a major victory against such enemy in the wake of domestic spying scandal? Either such sleeper cells don't exist (possible, but not likely) or the Department of Justice is acting much more prudently these days than in the time of Jose Padilla's arrest -- and if DOJ is being more circumspect, good; the days of "terra! terra! terra!" were over the top. But I do not approve of going around the FISA court on any matter of surveillance. FISA still works, even when law enforcement agents are under "battlefield conditions" to move against a sleeper cell.

2) Back to Boehner. What he brings up again is the Flytrap Theory. That is, our troops (and mercenaries) are in Iraq to attract the bad guys and keep them off the streets of America. But the Flytrap Theory failed with respect to the London bombings a few years ago. Yes, those were homegrown English terrorists, but why split hairs about terrorists' place of origin if they are anti-Western radicalized Muslims (which is what Boehner means from his snippet)? A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Adherents (heh) to the Flytrap Theory should be prepared to drink a heaping cup of hubris if America endures another domestic attack while our troops are still in Iraq.

3) For all of Boehner's talk about fighting terrorists on our streets if we remove our troops from Iraq, he and the Republicans along with the Bush administration have done very little to help better secure our southern border. I know it, our citizens in the states along the Mexican border know it, and Bob Dole knows it. When someone's determined to do something, he or she is going to do it if he or she can't be stopped, whether it means sneaking over the border for a better job, sneaking over the border to smuggle narcotics, or sneaking over the border to conduct terrorism. Who's to say al Qaeda or some other terrorist organization hasn't snuck a few over the Rio Grande already?

We need to bring balance and sensibility to the matter of making our nation secure AND free, but the left hand and the right hand insist the other side's wrong and completely dysfunctional. Let's eliminate all Flytrap rhetoric and move in the proper direction with regard to FISA and border security. Unfortunately, I think we're going to have to wait until 2009 for such a correction.

[TwilightGardener]

37. See posts 23 and 36--I agree with you, you make excellent points.

Terror is a real threat, it shouldn't be politicized OR minimized. I just don't believe that we are accomplishing anything in regards to terror in Iraq. Al Qaeda there may not even be linked to Bin Laden, they could just be there to stir up the shit without any real intention of coming here. AQ is all over the world. Our focus should be border/immigration/visa security, and intelligence.

[Efilroft Sul]

50. We're of like minds, wienerdoggie.

In order to discuss domestic security the proper way, the matter has to be separated from the War in Iraq and the Flytrap Theory. Whatever liberals, moderates, and conservatives believe about America's occupation of Iraq must be left at the door in order for them to take their seats at the grown-ups' table. We all have to get our heads together to make our nation safer, restore our civil liberties, and enjoy life without living in fear.

I fear, however, the divide between our so-called leaders is too far, and it's time those who willingly won't use common sense on this issue are given surprise retirement parties on Election Day. Go home. You and your supporters are hurting your country.

Boehner's pre-7/7 mentality does nobody any favors. The silence of Congress not condemning Boehner's fronting does nobody any favors. Honest to God, it's simply stunning to see how far stupid people can get in life.

[genie_weenie]

39. Who they hell is this "WE" I always hear referenced?

Does he know "some people say"?

:wtf:

[Frank Cannon]

51. I always want to ask them if they've got a mouse in their pocket

Because I'm never quite sure who "we" means.

[Arkana]

40. Whatever, Rep. Boner.

[spanone]

41. Slicker than goose-shit and dumber than a stump.

[Kerrytravelers]

42. Like Randi always says, apparently the terrorists don't know how to MapQuest.

So, we should just stay there and make target practice easier for them. :eyes:

[porphyrian]

43. Yeah, that's really fucking stupid.

We had terrorists before PNAC operatives usurped our government and illegally invaded Iraq. We'll have terrorists long after all of us are dead. The only thing that has significantly increased the number of terrorists likely to attack us here in America has been our continued presence there. It's not like when we leave they'll all decide to get along and book tickets to La Guardia. Do they do anything but fuck cows in Ohio or what?

[July]

44. Response: "Again. After your team dropped the ball the first time. "nt

Editing to add that I don't really buy the "they'll follow us here" line.

My point is that "they" have already been here, at least in part because the Bush gang ignored warnings and did NOTHING about terrorism even though they were warned by outgoing Clinton administration members.

[Parche]

45. TERRA

Why are they not HERE now???

I find that phrase very ignorant........just like every other stupid phrase from the right wing klan.

[Ganja Ninja]

46. This is just so f'ing stupid.

They don't need to follow us home to find their way to the US. The only reason we're fighting them over there is because WE ARE OVER THERE!

If we leave they will either go to Afghanistan or go home. What ever terror attacks are going to happen here have no bering on whether we're in Iraq or not.

The fact of the matter is that it makes it easier to recruit suicide bombers if we're in Iraq because we're there. There are plenty of local candidates. They speak the lingo. They don't have to train them or go through all the effort it takes to send a terrorist over here. And quite frankly there probably aren't that many people who are willing to risk life imprisonment here vs certain death to protect their homes there.

[Karenina]

48. Would that someone would

OFF BOEHNER'S BONER! Where's Lorena Bobbit when we really need her?

[Javaman]

49. Um aren't we fighting them in the streets in Iraq?

Personally, I think the whole street fighting motif that these repukes keep pushing is just so passe'.

I think we will be fighting them in the men's rooms, the fast food joints, the day spa's and in the western clothing stores!

This is a america by god! if they are going to fight us they are going to attack us were it hurts!

why is bonejob suck a colossal fuckwit?

[sniffa]

52. the streets of cincy wiLL be crawLing with terrorists.

:scared:

[Vinca]

53. Be afraid, Boner, maybe they'll steal all the tanning beds. nt