Is there any reason why John and Cindy McCain can't get arrested for not carrying a passport?

[stray cat]

It seems like technically everyone now has to have a passport (kids through adults) and carry it with them if they live in or are passing through AZ. As soon as someone reasonable thinks you look suspicious you have to be able to present papers ie a passport. Isn't this almost more like a national ID move?

[sfwriter]

1. John would have problems... He was born in panama,

so birth certificate won't work.

[cutlassmama]

25. I think that's the point.

:-)

[tanyev]

2. No need--

Cindy McCain: "In Arizona The Only Way To Get Around The State Is By Small Private Plane"

[stray cat]

3. LOL - I forgot about that! Only illegals are on the streets or driving cars

[mmonk]

4. They are so white, they glow in the dark.

That is why.

[stray cat]

5. Illegal immigrants come from all over - including eastern europe ie white

Any person of any ethnic background can be here illegally so its seems anyone could be picked up and better have a passport with them.

[mmonk]

6. This isn't about illegal immigrants from those countries.

It isn't even really about illegal immigrants, it is about assessing blame.

[stray cat]

13. What point in the law exempts immigrants from countries other than hispanic?

[proudohioan]

9. Valid point.

Here in Cleveland, we have a HUGE population of Russian immigrants. Are most here legally? You're guess is as good as mine... Can you look into a crowded grocery store and pick out the Russians? Doubtful; they look just like any other white person around here.

And as far as that goes, I can't tell you how many times I have been asked if I'm a "Hunky".

[demodonkey]

27. My grandparents came from Slovenia prior to 1912... we are still accused of having a "foreign" name.

Less than 20 years ago, people actually quit our church when a new minister was hired who was of Polish descent and had a name ending in "ski". This was in Pennsylvania.

And many Eastern Europeans don't have what is (for lack of a better word) the marketable mainstream look that other Europeans have.

I used to work in the theatre and I know this first-hand. I, and most of the other slavic-descent actors I knew, only got character roles offered if/when hired at all, not leads. Many Jewish actors have a similar problem.

There are lots of people who may be technically white but somehow there is still something "ethnic" about them. I am sure some of these folks will be targeted under a law like AZ.

[HipChick]

10. Their adopted daughter is not white..

I wonder what happens first time she gets stopped..

[mmonk]

11. Good point.

[GreenStormCloud]

7. Voter registration card will suffice.

So will a social security card. A concealed carry permit card should do it too. An AZ driver's license will work, but possibly not a CA one.

[mmonk]

8. If a drivers license will work, how can this be explained?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=458296

[GreenStormCloud]

26. Was it an AZ license?

One assumes that under the new law, AZ will not issue DLs to illegals, so one would think that an AZ license would work. Since some states do issue DLs to illegals, an out-of-state DL may not work.

I agree that on the information presented the situation described appears to be rather stupid.

[stray cat]

14. My understanding was it needed to be a passport, birth certificate

or papers - a drivers licence or id doesn't suffice. A social security card plus a drivers license with a picture ID together probably would.

[a la izquierda]

19. you're joking, right?

i'm in trouble. i never carry any of that stuff with me when i'm in a car...why would i?

[tanyev]

20. Huh. I took my social security card out of my wallet after watching a piece about identity theft

and hearing some expert advise that you should never carry your social security card with all your other stuff.

[GoCubsGo]

12. Or, Jan Brewer?

Or, anyone else in the state legislature? I hope some cop asks them for their papers.

Good point on the national ID move. I hope the Dems have enough sense to bring that up. IIRC, the wingnuts are opposed to such a thing.

[stray cat]

16. I think politicians would change their minds if they were targeted.

[Overseas]

15. They wear gorgeous shoes. Didn't you get the memo? //nt

[stray cat]

17. Like I said - Cindy McCain - she has nice shoes....

[bridgit]

18. Yes: they are white, extremely well known for their, ahem, activities in Arizona + Cindy is all...

Those *and* uber-rich so the McCains would be what many refer to as 'well connected'

[Lurks Often]

21. Just read the bill

I just read the bill (http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf) and the law appears silent on the acceptable means of identification. My guess is they will either use the same requirements as those necessary to get an AZ driver's license under the primary form of ID (http://mvd.azdot.gov/mvd/formsandpub/viewPDF.asp?lngProductKey=1410&lngFormInfoKey=1410) or will use Federal requirements if there are any.

There are also penalties for employers who knowingly employ illegal aliens or fail to make a good faith effort to identify if an employee is an illegal alien. Specifically a first offense results in a revocation of any license necessary to operate a business at THAT SPECIFIC business address (emphasis mine) for no less then 10 days, more under specified conditions. A second offense results in a permanent revocation of the license.

[havocmom]

24. If the law isn't specific as to acceptable ID, whatever a brown person has on them won't be good

Sorta like birth certificates and black presidents, no documentation will be accepted by somebody who just doesn't think you have a right to be where you are.

As to employers, that is a federal requirement and has been for quite some time. We ALWAYS had to have two photo IDs and a social security card or SS card, one photo IDs & two other IDs when we hired back in early 90s. And some white people would holler and scream that we were violating their privacy; they were fine with brown people having to provide documentation, but some sure as hell did not understand that all had to be treated equally!

[Lurks Often]

22. I just read the bill

I just read the bill (http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf) and the law appears silent on the acceptable means of identification. My guess is they will either use the same requirements as those necessary to get an AZ driver's license under the primary form of ID (http://mvd.azdot.gov/mvd/formsandpub/viewPDF.asp?lngProductKey=1410&lngFormInfoKey=1410) or will use Federal requirements if there are any.

There are also penalties for employers who knowingly employ illegal aliens or fail to make a good faith effort to identify if an employee is an illegal alien. Specifically a first offense results in a revocation of any license necessary to operate a business at THAT SPECIFIC business address (emphasis mine) for no less then 10 days, more under specified conditions. A second offense results in a permanent revocation of the license.

[Cleita]

23. Especially John, who was born in Panama. n/t