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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:36 PM Original message |
7 Good Reasons to KILL THE PUNISHING MANDATE TO BUY PRIVATE INSURANCE |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. Recommended. nt |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R. Imagine the reaction if BushCo had MADE citizens buy overpriced, shitty health insurance! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Exactly. Most of us would be outraged, would we not? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Do Exxon and Dow now have to buy insurance |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. The reality is |
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unlegendary (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. Organizing would be nice |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
6. K&R |
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Bert (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. unrec. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Eliminating the mandate does NOT remove the other provisions, so you will still |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Sure, you will be able to get coverage. At the same price as it would take to pay for all your care. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
99. There is no evidence to suggest that big insurance will pass their mandated trillions on to the sick |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. If you are unemployed, you are probably eligible for |
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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. Did someone say that we reformed HC? We're still sitting at square 1. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I agree. They're were a lot of people who promised "fixes" to the bill - where are they now? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. +1 nt |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. You can't fix shit. This bill is intentionally complicated crap and........... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I like the image of the Senate Finance Committee |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
66. Exactly. We have accomplished approximately nothing. Now, |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
86. The only thing we were missing was a LEADER, where the |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. IMHO, there is nothing more despicable than making people |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
13. Kick. Worth reading. nt |
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jotsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
15. A shot gun wedding where our government has promised us to murderous profiteers. |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
16. k&r. |
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TheWebHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
17. the alternative to insurance co's |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. All the other industrialized countries do precisely that, and pay half as much as we do n/t |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. You forget that we are supposed to ignore this fact. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That is really a ridiculous argument. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
94. I would like to add that we support much of the research through public universities. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Greece's Problem is Tax Evasion by the Wealthy |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Not true, the |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. What fucking planet did you drop off of? If we become like Greece......... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. I imagine you're against Social Security also. |
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TheWebHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Not against SS |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
95. You fail to taken in to account improved productivity. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
19. I have to say, hats off to you for fitting so much baloney into a single post. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. I've Never Heard Corporate Welfare Described as Social Policy Before |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. You are entirely |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. So what you're actually telling me is that that big insurance in NY has no mandate, and is still in |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. Sure, you can walk into a hospital and get insurance for THOUSANDS per month. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. So, the 13th amendment is "silly"? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. No, the 13th amendment has nothing to do with this, and anyone who thinks otherwise |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. You seem to get your talking points |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. The funny think is that I provide evidence, while it is you that just provides talking points. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Your evidence is just corporate talking points. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:59 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. If you feel that the data I posted about New York state is cherrypicking, then show me your data. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Glad you agree that the administration |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
53. so what's Obama's excuse? |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:53 AM Response to Original message |
22. I keep saying I would love to see what would happen if everyone in the country |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Then how exactly would people get healthcare? |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. They don't get it NOW! Even people who have insurance don't get healthcare when they |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. +1 nt |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. I pointed this out a lot |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. Many more will get it now under this law. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. This law permits high out of pocket expenses |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. The bill actually provides subsidies for both premiums AND deductibles/cost sharing. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
83. I've asked several of its defenders to show me where in the bill |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. health care = insurance? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. What fantasy land do you live in? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. very, very good |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
96. Let's address your claim that Single Payer is impossible at this time. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. If one could rec a reply.... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. Shhh! Don't Confuse Us With Facts! |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
41. K&R From your keyboard to God's ears. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
44. I was going to make this same argument, but BzaDem said it perfectly... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. 1) How would one "get it on the way to the emergency room" if they were unconscious? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. More silly arguments... Who said you have to be unconscious to got to the |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
71. So you agree that people will need to buy insurance if they want to be covered in the event that |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Please don't put words in my mouth. I most emphatically DO NOT |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Surely, we can agree that |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Regarding your points 3) and 4) |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
45. I agree with muchof what you say. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
54. K & R |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. Requiring everyone to buy insurance will save the government money. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. There is no evidence to suggest that big insurance will pass their mandated trillions on to the sick |
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desertrat777 (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
63. mandatory health insurance and milking machines |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
67. Horse manure |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. I have insurance. I don't want people to pay for insurance that will wind up providing nothing. |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
69. killing the mandate would unravel the WHOLE bill and possibly make a public option a go ++ nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Umm... How exacty could a public option survive if only sick people join it? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. this is why in other nations that mandate purchase |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Excellent point and sucinctly made. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. You simply add a medicare expansion that is mandatory, while eliminating the mandate to purchase |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Why do you keep making the false claim that there is no evidence to support this? NEW YORK STATE. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Link? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:51 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Here. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. A reduction in 'individual policies' does not mean fewer people are covered. There are many other |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Are you kidding me? You are looking at the wrong metric, and at a very small interval of time. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. The number of uninsured in NY is below the national average. |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
77. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours |
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kiers (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
81. Obama the "triangulator" |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
85. Is this a coordinated campaign to support Republican efforts to sabotage HCR? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. HCR has already passed. The mandate will not guarantee any cost savings. |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. Whaaaa...I wanted a free ride, now I have to pay something... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. How is the mandate of benefit to anyone other than big insurance, pray tell...? |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. What is the difference between a mandate and a tax? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Simple - the mandate guarantees that big insurance will use the trillions to destroy HCR reform |
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