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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:42 PM Original message |
What if North Korea didn't fire the torpedo? |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. If this is a fabricated incident, who benefits? nt |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Or an accident. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I don't thine our country would have done that because how would we benefit? |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Other possibilites mentioned were friendly fire or collision with a US nuclear sub. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Ahhh. The plot thickens. But dragging North Korea into it doesn't seem wise |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Why exactly would a US nuclear sub be surfaced? |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Someway, somehow, Dick Cheney would benefit! |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. D'oh! It's always so obvious, yet I tend to complicate it! And where is Rumsfeld these days? nt |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. The entire worldwide military-industrial complex. |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. The first immediate consequence of this incident was |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. That sounds like a keeper. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. It was probably a 95-year old Japanese sailor in a 1-man sub who doesn't know WW-II is over. |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. lmao... nt |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Hey, it happened on Gilligan's Island, so it *MUST* be true! |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
68. hahaha WIN! |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. South Korea continues to refuse to let N Korea see the evidence. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. One reason I can think of is that SK doesn't want to allow NK |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. then who did? nt |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Initial speculation was a mine, from either NK or SK. Or internal malfunction. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Wouldn't North Korea be respnsible for North Korean mines? n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. It could be an accident. It sure would suck to have millions die a war started by an accident. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. The South Koreans have the most to lose in a war. I say we take our queues from them. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
15. Read This! An important analysis of the "evidence". WE ARE BEING LIED TO. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Don't listen to anything from Willyloman.wordpress.com, he buys any conspiracy out there |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
54. Are you freaking kidding me? You're asking DUers to belive some conspiracy nutbag? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
16. ... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Yep. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. i don't believe they did |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. lol. based on what facts? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. You said it. It's crazy talk. No one in South Korea has anything to gain from a war |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. Oh yeah. Someone posted a nutjob article that linked to freaking Rense |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. The Chaebol say no war there will be no war. And the Chaebol won't allow any war |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
21. What if accidentally the whole thing? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. No. Really. I accidentally the whole thing. The WHOLE thing. Accidentally. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
22. My thought: The BP oil gusher is more important than this. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
28. Is the U.S. prepared to go to war against North Korea over this? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. You vastly overrate the NK military. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Is that pretty much how it went down in 1950 with the vastly superior U.S. forces? |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Not quite |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No. US forces were few and inferior, except for the Air Force. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Self-Delete |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So are you all excited and anxious about kicking some "communist ass" in Korea again? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Until China's entry, North Korea got its butt kicked. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. China won't back them up this time. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The don't need China. They'll sweep the U.S. out of south Korea in a few weeks at most unless |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You sound like a cheerleader for "Dear Leader". |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Bull shit! Do you also think opponents of the Iraq invasion were Sadam supporters or "commies"? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Yep, you are cheerleading for "Dear Leader". |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Do your redbaiting and trash talk somewhere else. Not here on DU! |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Read your own posts. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. And all that to explain why you favor whipping "communist ass" in Korea once again? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Read exactly what I said. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. So you read lots of pro-war military literature. No "peacenik" stuff for you! |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. You are omitting the ROK military. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Imperial armies and their apologists always exaggerate their military capabilities |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. You are calling us "imperialist". That's what NK calls us. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I didn't call you an imperialist , capitalist or Wall Street bankster! Don't be so sensitive. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. There is no reason to provoke a war. Given time, NK will collapse on its on. |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Please provide the sources you are using |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. No problem. Here's just two for starters. |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. First, I don't remember anybody |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. why are you playing games? |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Very succinct and factual GSC. Don't forget that the food problem has hit |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Thanks. I appreciate the input of someone who has been there. N/T |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. I would say total gung ho military bull shit rather than objective facts. |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Odd |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You found nothing objectionable about GreenStormCloud's suggestion that I support the Stalinist |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. You do? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Your conclusions are not supported by military reality |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
33. Memo to self: Buy stock in tinfoil. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
42. Neither South Korea nor the U.S. have anything to gain from this. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. But but but but there's always Them! |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. The U.S. has already gained from this. |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Here is the link with more info: |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. That's basically nothing. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
45. Well lets look at North Korea's admitted record |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
66. Have they completely ruled out SMERSH? And KAOS? (nt) |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
73. Wuhl....they were thinking about it! |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
76. Washington Post: Analysts question Korea torpedo incident |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
77. Kim Jong-il's unofficial spokesman: Report a lie, just like Colin Powell's "proof" to the UN. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
80. Russia wants '100% proof' N.Korea sunk ship |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
81. North Korea Officially Denies Involvement In Warship Sinking |
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Pakman (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
82. I wouldn't be surprised |
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Pakman (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
83. I wouldn't be surprised |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
85. N.Korea rejects evidence of sunken S. Korean ship |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
86. North Korean general says experts who disagreed with conclusions were expelled from team. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
87. South Korean religious leaders question conclusions of the Cheonan sinking investigation |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
88. 25% of SOUTH Koreans say they don’t trust the findings of the multinational panel |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
89. Kick for truth. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
90. Stephen Gowans: The sinking of the Cheonan: Another Gulf of Tonkin incident |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
91. The sinking of the Cheonan: Accident, false flag or enemy attack? |
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