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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:26 PM
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Thomas gets dropped by agency

Thomas gets dropped by agency

Nine Speakers, the agency that represents Helen Thomas, has dropped her as a client. This comes in the wake of controversial remarks on the Middle East.

The notice, obtained by POLITICO:

It is with a heavy heart that Nine Speakers, Inc. announces its resignation as the agent for Helen Thomas, Dean of the White House Press Corps.

Ms. Thomas has had an esteemed career as a journalist, and she has been a trailblazer for women, helping others in her profession, and beyond.

However, in light of recent events, Nine Speakers is no longer able to represent Ms. Thomas, nor can we condone her comments on the Middle East.

Nine Speakers will continue to enthusiastically represent all of our other current and future clients.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0610/Thomas_gets_dropped_by_agency.html?showall


My reaction to this is wtf? No, of course I don't condone her remarks, but the over reaction to them, is dismaying.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:27 PM
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1. I'm sure you would also be calling it an over reaction
if she had said she thinks "black people should go back to Africa"
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:28 PM
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3. And i'm sure you are quoting her exactly...
ridiculous.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:29 PM
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4. Reading comprehension problems?
Or just willful ignorance?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:37 PM
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6. I don't know...what is YOUR problem?
The stupidity here and character assasination is disguting beyond the pale.

No way did Thomas advocate anything like death camps the way you and your ilk would like to spin it...she believes the land does not belong to Israel, a common belief in the Middle East.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:39 PM
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8. There's a difference between saying "the land does not belong to Israel" and
"the jews should go back to Germany." I see now that the answer was willful ignorance. Thanks for clearing that up.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:50 PM
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10. Germany and Poland and America and elsewhere...
the full quote. Now do you get it? And she does say it doesn't belong to them later in the interview...does THAT clear it up for you? She's a cranky old lady with very definite ideas...not an anti-semite pining for the Holocaust.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:42 PM
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9. not the same thing at all
and I think you know that.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:28 PM
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2. And the reaction on DU is appalling...she said "and to America.."
jackasses are trying to make out that she wanted them back in death camps. Shameful.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:32 PM
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5. Telling blacks to go back to Africa and the Caribbean would be analogous then.
Equally as bad.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 03:38 PM
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7. No, not even close.
She believes Israel never should have gotten the land...and that has been the bone of contention since Israel was founded...they're seen as occupiers.

And, again, she said back toGermany adn poland and America and everywhere else. In no way was she advocating a return to death camps and the like.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 04:05 PM
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11. What she said was wrong.
It's really not a comment worthy of defending. she shouldn't have said it. She apologized. That said, I do think people are overreacting and that Helen deserves better than that.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 05:41 PM
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15. It's a comment worth defending if people are mis-quoting as trashing her...
...Germany and Poland...sounds like a raging anti-semite longing for the Holocaust

...Germany and Poland and America and everywhere else (the full quote)...sounds like a cranky old lady who has very set ideas...she probably is saying what most the world believes...the land doesn't belong to Israel. I'm not saying I believe that, but what she said was not that controversial...but the misquote is part of an agenda...let's not talk seriously about what happended to that flotilla...let's just trash everyone who dares question what happend.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 05:41 PM
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14. You do understand, of course, that the Jews are not
"native" to Poland or Germany any more than us white folks are native to the U.S. Hell, the U.S. isn't even "native" to the U.S.

The ethnic "Jews" are native to the Middle East, just as the "Arabs" are. Judaism being an older religion and well established as a culture in the region long before Muhammad was born, and most of the Jews being systematically expelled from the region over a period of several hundred years (beginning about 600 BCE), 20th century Jews who endured persecution, discrimination, and routine attempts at extermination utilized world sympathy (such as it was) after the Holocaust to lobby the fledgling UN for a "Jewish Homeland." Because Zionism had established some settlements in what was then "Palestine" prior to the 1947 UN vote, because most of the European and American powers saw the Middle East as largely "vacant" land, and because most of Europe and the U.S. didn't want all the displaced Jews of Europe in their own midst, they were given a "homeland" in Palestine.

They didn't always do an honorable job of defending their new "homeland" in the ensuring war of 47-48, or again in '67 or again and again and again and again.

But the Palestinian and other Middle Eastern groups -- some political, some ethnic, some a bit of both -- didn't make matters any better. They vowed repeatedly to shove the Jews into the sea, a reference to the fact that most of the Jews in Israel had come via the ports from other places around the world. Prior to the late 20th century, there weren't a whole lot of "native" Jews in Israel. Some, but not many.

That is no longer the case. 1947 is over 60 years ago. A couple generations of native-born Israelis have come to maturity, and the animosity continues. The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, which was supposedly the "Palestinian" half of the partition, was "westernised" enough that its king, Hussein, married an American woman, Lisa Halaby who became Queen Noor.

But the conflict between the Israeli state and the Palestinian people is hardly black and white. It's complicated by intransigence on both sides, a refusal to cooperate and compromise. It's a politically internalized irrational fear on the part of Israel and it's a politically internalized sense of oppression on the part of the Palestinians. BOTH FEARS are grounded in historical reality. I'm not minimizing that. Nor am I letting either side off the hook.

Helen Thomas is of Lebanese extraction. Lebanon has had its own religous wars, usually pitting Christians against Muslims. This kind of sectarian violence breeds distrust and internalized antagonism. I'm not saying Helen Thomas has always been a bigot, but if at 90 years of age she is revealing both an ignorance and a hatred that appear to be of long standing, then maybe it's indeed time she remove herself from the public stage.

I am, under Hebraic law, a Jew. No, "Tansy Gold" is not my real name; my real name is archetypically Anglo-Saxon. But my mother's mother was a Jew, and I grew up knowing about the Holocaust, about the pogroms, about the ghettos and the discrimination when very few of my almost exclusively Christian schoolmates had any clue. I was 12 years old when the film "Exodus" was released, and I often had to explain it to friends, even friends who were older than I, because they had no context for it. Years later, in the 1970s, I was still explaining. For that matter, it's 2010 and I sometimes STILL have to explain it. (Come to think of it, that's what I'm doing right now, isn't it.)

So yes, I have a connection to this subject. A slender connection, but a connection nonetheless.

I also live in Arizona, where people who were brought to this country as children, even as infants, now live in fear of being forced back to a country and culture they have no connection to. They are "illegals," and they are at risk of deportation. And there are "anchor" children who have been born here of "illegal" parents. Do we send them back to Mexico or Honduras or Nicaragua, strip them of their property, because they lack papers? Is that what Helen Thomas would have "us" do to the second- and third- and fourth-generation Israelis, simply because their government is acting like a terrorist organization? What would she have us do about the hordes of Iraqi refugees -- including "Riverbend" -- who managed to escape Iraq to settle, welcome or not, in Syria and Jordan and Lebanon and Egypt?

Hatred and exclusion accomplish nothing constructive. Violence accomplishes nothing productive. Helen Thomas ought to, if she has a shred of decency, abjectly apologize for her awful words and then spend the rest of her days working to get the Israeli occupiers PEACEFULLY out of Gaza, AND get the Muslims and the Christians and the Jews to sit down and reconcile the stupid stupid stupid "differences" in their respective religions that have kept them at each other's throats all these centuries.

Jimmy Carter, who truly tried to end this insanity, said "War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children." The continuing series of wars in the Middle East are undoubtedly evil. But they are also undoubtedly unnecessary. What the Israeli government is doing, in the name of something akin to "national security" is beyond disgusting. Beyond revolting. It is evil, pure and simple. But responding to that evil with more evil accomplishes nothing.

I would have expected better of Helen Thomas.


Tansy Gold

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 04:39 PM
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12. That analogy would only be appropriate if
blacks from Africa and the Caribbean were 'American for religious reasons' rather than being born in America or fulfilling their visa requirements.

Of course most Africans in this hemisphere are the descendants of slaves who were brought here by force.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 05:38 PM
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13. Of course many Jews left Europe by force and many more didn't make it out.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 05:42 PM
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16. That is really a shame as she has asked hard questions for many years.
Saying something stupid and then apologizing works for me. That is really too bad of an over reaction.
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