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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:24 PM
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John Fund: "U.S. can resemble a banana republic overnight with the wrong President in charge"
VIDEO @ the URL below:

John Fund: BP 'Shakedown' Sends Message The U.S. Can Resemble Banana Republic Overnight with Wrong President in Charge
By Heather Sunday Jun 20, 2010 12:00pm

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-fund-bp-shakedown-sends-message-us-ca



On Fox’s The Journal Editorial Report, while discussing whether the panel believes that BP really had a choice as to whether to put up the $20 billion for the escrow fund to pay for the claims from the Deepwater Horizon disaster rather than the victims being tied up in the courts for years or waiting for BP to decide who to pay claims to, John Fund opines that BP being prodded by the Obama administration to put up that fund is going to turn the United States into a “banana republic” and repeats the Republican meme of the week that it was a “shakedown”.

It’s too bad Mr. Fund isn’t quite so concerned that years of conservative governance have turned us into a plutocracy or an oligarchy already, either of which would better describe what has happened to our government as our middle class in the United States continues to disappear and the gap between the rich and the poor grows even wider.

Expecting companies to clean up their mess does seem to suddenly get the right wingers worried about the expansion of government power; those same companies socializing the losses onto the taxpayers… not so much.

Fund: It’s almost as if we have different models of how you nationalize a company. There’s the original model with General Motors and Chrysler and now there’s a new model which is if you get into any kind of trouble, you know, the next Toyota for example, you’re going to basically face such liability that the Federal government is effectively going to own your future.

Gigot: Well does this mean that in any… is this setting a precedent that in any future large scale industrial accident that this kind of pubic trust fund where a company is obliged to put money into the fund and then the government will decide who gets paid and when; is that what we’re going to see from now on?

Fund: That’s a danger. Remember one of the reasons so many investors overseas have contributed to the American economy for so long is we have a rule of law here. It’s due process. Well this effectively says to foreign investors, forget the rule of law. Joe Barton basically, you know, came out against this $20 billion….

Gigot: He called it a shakedown.

Fund: …a shakedown, and…

Gigot: Is that what it is? Is this a shakedown?

Fund: You’d better believe it’s a shakedown. This completely goes around the legal process. The message this sends to foreign investors, be careful here because the United States can resemble a banana republic overnight with the wrong President in charge.


Of course all of them are very concerned about the rule of law being followed, as long as that rule of law makes sure that claims are slow walked through the courts and as long as we have the kind of justice where huge companies end up paying next to nothing once their friends on the Supreme Court finally take care of them decades later.

Fund's assertion that making BP fork out $20 billion is "nationalizing" them is completely ridiculous as well. As Think Progress noted, "in the first quarter of the year, the London-based oil giant’s profits averaged $93 million a day".

And for a little reminder of what these hacks are advocating for from the same post:

At $93 million a day in profits, BP makes $350 million in about 3.8 days. The Washington Post noted that Exxon, through a decision by the Supreme Court, was able to pay only $507.5 million of the original $5 billion in punitive damages that it had been assessed for the 1989 Valdez disaster.


There's the kind of "rule of law" that they would prefer.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:27 PM
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1. The US already is a banana republic.
Largely because of the party Mr. Fund schills for, and the Vichey Democrats.

Did I miss anything? :shrug:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:31 PM
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3. Well, we arlready have the tinware bedecked generals who pimp for the MIC.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:32 PM
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4. ya pretty much sum`d it up....
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 05:55 PM
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17. It is already
It is a banana republic already. Has been since Ronald Wilson Reagan wrecked the New Deal, killed free labor unions, structures and deregulated everything. It is a plutocrat-oligarchy junta run by the Neocons and the coterie of "Too Big To Fail" businesses (reads like a Poli Sci 101 text book definition of Fascism in the Mussolini - Battista - Peron sense). Make no mistake - 8 years of Reagan and 8 years of Cheney-Bush "governance" have done irreparable damage.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 06:08 PM
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18. But I don't let the Clinton Admin off the hook, either.
NAFTA and WTO, for grand instance.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 07:07 PM
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23. A banana republic, without the bananas.
Unless you count all of the Republicans/teabaggers/DLCers/corporatist Dems as bananas.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:28 PM
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2. Isn't he just precious!
I hope he and the other rabid rightwing nutcase pundits keep defending BP louder and louder, it can only benefit the Democrats in the upcoming election.

Keep talkin' John!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:32 PM
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5. That man personifies "insipid."
Ugh. :puke:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:41 PM
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6. Actually, Fund has a point.
This country became a Banana Republic when 5 idiots on the Supreme Court put an unelected monkey in charge.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:43 PM
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8. LOL...
Very clever and very on point...

I wish I could recommend a post...
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:51 PM
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9. +1
nt
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 04:26 PM
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14. Here, here
:thumbsup:
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 06:25 PM
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20. DAMN YOU Seb Doyle, for stealing my keyboard thunder!
:rofl:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:42 PM
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7. Totally agree with him.
It happened in January, 2001.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:52 PM
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10. hey john, how about those bu$h* banana republic years?
fuck off fund
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:53 PM
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11. We did, in 2000 and in 2004. n/t
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 03:54 PM
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12. Rec. He's talking about George Bush, right?
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 03:54 PM by old mark
Our own tinhorn dictator with his criminal regime and secret prisons...I remember him well.

mark
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 04:16 PM
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13. There must be no criticism of the president in a time of war. I won't tolerate it.
If he doesn't like it, he should go live in a cave with his Al Qaeda buddies Saddam and Osama.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 04:56 PM
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15. And what is a banana republic?
From what I understand, a banana republic is a country whose government and resources are controlled by giant corporate interests, usually foreign to that country and where citizens have little or NO say in governance.

And by that standard, America's IS a banana republic already.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 06:28 PM
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21. Yes. Chaquita Banana and the tinpot dictators put in place in Latin America
-- by right wingers (of both parties) opposed to attempts to bring civil rights to workers in Latin America - that's where the term Banana Republic comes from.

The right wingers are either too fucking stupid to know what anything means and therefore their pols think they can say anything, or the fascist propaganda is so thick in this nation that NO ONE CHALLENGES their bullshit.

The neo-cons were and are banana republicans - from their lies about the power of the soviet union in the Reagan era to their attempts to rig the American election with the Iran-Contra scandal to Bush and the invasion of Iraq and the establishment of (yet another) puppet govt to John Ashcroft REFUSING to let workers in Latin America sue Chaquita, yet again, for FORCED LABOR - labor at gunpoint. Ashcroft refused, as attn gen., to let the U.S. hear their case.

The Banana Republicans are still at it today with the importation of guest workers to the U.S. who are not allowed to change jobs, who PAY to be hired by corporations who loan them, like human chattal, to do work and then threaten to deport them if they challenge this modern-day slavery arrangement.

Funny thing is that now that Latin America has taken a back seat as the U.S focuses on mineral-rich Afghanistan, those nations are finding their way out of the fascism and dictatorship that plagued them through all the years of American intervention in their nations' politics. When they told them IMF to go to hell, they found they were better off w/o that form of banana republic colonialism.

Someone should bitch slap some reality into this asshole. It will not be anyone in the American mainstream media, it seems. They're too busy parroting the talking points of their corporate masters.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:25 PM
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27. And John Fund KNOWS a thing or two about "bitch-slapping"
John Fund Arrested in New York
by The Editors

Feb. 23, 2002 -- NEW YORK (APJP) -- New York Police Department sources confirm to American Politics Journal that conservative commentator and editorialist John Fund was arrested this morning in New York City and charged with assault.

The charge stems from an alleged incident earlier in the week involving Fund and his former girlfriend, Morgan Pillsbury.

http://www.apj.us/20020223Fund.html
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 05:46 PM
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16. They just don't want Gulf Coast victims to have money in their pockets on Nov. 2
That's all the fuck these assholes care about, making sure Americans are fucking broke.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 06:20 PM
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19. Isn't this the guy who was boinking his girlfriends daughter?
Or am I confusing this Rethug ponds scum with some other Rethug pond scum?

Don
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 07:41 PM
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25. You are absitively CORRECT!
...and I was going to say; for a guy who was fucking his ex-gf's daughter under the supposed guise of 'helping' her during her, I believe, college years, he has some nerve. If he did that to my kid, he wouldn't have to worry about round table discussions...he'd have to worry about finding the right doctor.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 06:34 PM
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22. Fund is correct:
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 06:35 PM by unhappycamper

































I'm going to leave you now, as I threw up in my mouth.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 07:23 PM
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24. What did Fund/Gigot have to say about Bush's comments
about claiming that he'd get us lower oil prices by "jawboning" OPEC? Of course, WE were the ones whom ended up being "shook down" by the oil companies during Bush the Lesser's reign but had he been able to actually "jawbone" OPEC into giving us lower prices, would Fund/Gigot be calling THAT a "shakedown"? Hmmm......the answer's around her somewhere.......:shrug: :eyes:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:32 PM
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26. Uh, is he beating up his wife or his mother-in-law or who?!1 n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:29 PM
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28. These people have no sense of irony at all
Which, if one notices- seems to be a personality impairment increasing among some posters on this board lately too.

In fund's case of course- it's also profoundly stupid politics. Ideologues just can't help themselves. Others of course can.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:32 PM
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29. John Fund can thank the USSC for turning us into a banana republic.
December 12, 2000, the day democracy died.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:35 PM
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30. Look! A doughy middle-aged rich white guy in need of SMELLING SALTS, so overcome with horror is he!
:puke:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:38 PM
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31. he is a fucking worm
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