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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:23 PM
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This message is not getting through: Fear of deficits **will kill** the recovery
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 03:25 PM by BurtWorm
I was speaking with a friend of mine who works for the Obama administration this weekend, and he told me that deficit hawkdom is a rampant disease in Washington, in both parties, in both chambers of the Congress, at the Fed and even among some in the administration. Presaging Krugman's column today in the NY Times (see excerpt below the link), he said this is the worst time to get cold feet on deficit spending.

More to the point, it's the best time to spend beyond the government's means, because the return on the dollars spent is so good **right now.** He said something like (don't quote me), every dollar the goverment spends now is equivalent to just a little more than 50 cents. Don't ask me exactly how, but he's an economist who knows what he's talking about. (It has to do with what the government ultimately gets back in revenue). So now is the time to subsidize the states, expand unemployment benefits, shovel dough into the economy and get it buzzing again. There's no better time.

I asked my friend why this disease is spreading and whether it's possible to stop it. His answer to the why: Politicians believe the crap pundits spew about the "popular mood" against deficit spending and are afraid to disturb it, especially in an election year. It's one thing to suspect such cowardice based on what looks like cowardice via the media. It's quite another to have it confirmed for you by someone who has a front row seat to it. Washington is a group think town. You'd like to believe that all those advanced degrees in one place would mean some people in positions of power are capable of thinking, right? Well, some are, but not enough, and most of the rest of the geniuses in the capital are afraid to be caught thinking what no one else is thinking.

Folks, this is a serious problem. This is reminiscent, in my view, of the period before the Iraq war when it was clear that most Americans did not want it, and millions of us were leaning hard on our representatives to stop it--and they weren't hearing us.

This goes to the question of whether it can be stopped? I only wish I could say I was more of an optimist.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/opinion/21krugman.html?dbk






At the moment, as you may have noticed, the U.S. government is running a large budget deficit. Much of this deficit, however, is the result of the ongoing economic crisis, which has depressed revenues and required extraordinary expenditures to rescue the financial system. As the crisis abates, things will improve. The Congressional Budget Office, in its analysis of President Obama’s budget proposals, predicts that economic recovery will reduce the annual budget deficit from about 10 percent of G.D.P. this year to about 4 percent of G.D.P. in 2014.

Unfortunately, that’s not enough. Even if the government’s annual borrowing were to stabilize at 4 percent of G.D.P., its total debt would continue to grow faster than its revenues. Furthermore, the budget office predicts that after bottoming out in 2014, the deficit will start rising again, largely because of rising health care costs.

So America has a long-run budget problem. Dealing with this problem will require, first and foremost, a real effort to bring health costs under control — without that, nothing will work. It will also require finding additional revenues and/or spending cuts. As an economic matter, this shouldn’t be hard — in particular, a modest value-added tax, say at a 5 percent rate, would go a long way toward closing the gap, while leaving overall U.S. taxes among the lowest in the advanced world.

But if we need to raise taxes and cut spending eventually, shouldn’t we start now? No, we shouldn’t.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:27 PM
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1. Every sentient being is aware of the deficit.
Fact
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:31 PM
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2. Our elected reps are making me ill. They've decided not to
tackle the tough stuff, and it's the elections that have them running scared. Krugman's column was spot on.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:40 PM
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3. i could see cuts in some areas that would alleviate the deficit
and not hurt "the recovery".

there's this giant, money-sucking elephant in the room called THE FUCKING MILITARY.
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 05:07 PM
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9. I understand your sentiment, but...
Cutting defense spending would definitely hurt the recovery. Where do you think all that money goes? It goes to thousands of businesses with contracts with the DOD. These businesses employ millions of Americans. Slashing defense spending would create lots of layoffs.

(used to work for a company with DOD contracts, but not presently)
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 05:56 PM
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11. i've heard it said that ww2 is the only thing that actually ended the Depression
so i hear you. i still think it's an anchor dragging us down into the muck of nationalism and collapse.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:41 PM
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4. Even Bernake in his last testimony before Congress indeed, believes
the Deficit will have to be tackled. HOWEVER, Bernanke cautioned
them not to go overboard on the Deficit right now. He pointed out
that the Recovery is not strong enough yet to go slashing and burning.

He said hold off on cuts, tax cuta or spending cuts. He did admonish
them to be working seriously and developing a Deficit Plan that
they can start to implement once the economy is stronger.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:46 PM
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6. My friend mentioned Bernanke's testimony.
He was disappointed (to put it mildly) that Bernanke wasn't clearer about which actions are more urgent now (i.e., spending on stimulus). He was disappointed that Bernanke gave the deficit hawks more talking points.

These people are idiots. They hear what they want to hear, which is what they believe is what the electorate wants to hear. They need to have the truth spelled out for them slowly and clearly.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:41 PM
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5. well yeah the interest rate is like NOTHING
there is no better time to hold debt that when you are in effect not paying any interest on it, that money can be doing something out there to re build our economy

i could understand deficit fears in those times when interest rates were just crazy high and deficits would pile on top of deficits but now is indeed a rare chance to be seized...

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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 04:21 PM
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7. Ineffective Debt.


This isn't the 1930s; this isn't the Great Depression.

We started with an enormous federal debt (unlike in FDR's time), and as this chart shows, adding even more debt simply isn't going to do us any good. (But it will begger our children and grandchildren.)

We need to end the American empire and send the elite plutocrats of the corporate state packing. Only by getting 'people power' back in control of our politics and economy will we have any chance of some kind of future prosperity.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 04:58 PM
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8. neocons & conservadems wanna use this situation to kill government n unions nt
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 05:14 PM
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10. There is no public rage and anger over government deficits. None whatsover!
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 05:20 PM by Better Believe It
The corporate media and politicians are working overtime to spread this falsehood hoping it will drive a stake into the heart of any proposed stimulus spending!

This is just a continuation and deepening of the government/corporate attack on our living standards.

The European austerity measures will spread to the United States.

Employers will continue to cut jobs, pensions, health care plans and other benefits. The government will cut spending for programs that benefit working people. We are see that right now with the difficulty in passing extended unemployment compensation, COBRA health care assistance and meaningful help for people threatened with foreclosure.

Right after the November elections, President Obama's deficit reduction commission will propose big cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicade. They will in all probability also propose increases in taxes on working people. One big possibility is a national sales tax disguised as a national ""value added tax" that will mainly impact working people.

Congress will probably pass legislation cutting Social Security, Medicare, etc., unless there is massive opposition by the public.

And I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Congress in 2012 "reform" the healthcare law, by reducing the amount of government subsidies to working people and lowering the threshold of health insurance benefits that will be taxed.

The media and politicians are trying to soften us up for these cuts by creating a phantom mass movement to end "deficit spending" by cutting the benefits of working people and the elderly.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 06:05 PM
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12. A slower recovery with less deficit impact is a more sustainable recovery
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 06:06 PM by RB TexLa
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:26 AM
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13. According to whom?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:28 AM
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14. Why is that?
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