Have you ever had a post deleted ?

[TZ]

Poll question: Have you ever had a post deleted ?

Just wondering. One of the new rules would be if you had a post deleted in a thread,you can no longer post in that thread.
Seems to me a lot of people think only "troublemakers" would be hurt by this. I disagree. I beleive I'm a pretty good DU citizen but I've had my share of deleted posts for various reasons. And almost all the other people I know around here, have had a post deleted at some time. It seems to me that it comes with frequent posting and I fear that I and many others will stop posting very much if this rule is enforced.

[treestar]

1. I think so, though I'm not sure.

Is there a good way to tell, other than relying on one's own memory?

Where I thought I had been deleted, I did go back in and post another post, which I made sure was OK.

[Orrex]

2. Every time I try to post those nude pics of Skinner, my post gets deleted.

So my answer is "yes."

[TZ]

25. LOL

Thats because you lack social skills...:rofl:

[leftofcool]

34. YOU leave Skinner alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can I see the nude pics?

[Solly Mack]

3. Yes. Usually because I alerted on myself.

(Yes... I alert on myself when anger gets the better of me...a rush to edit on my part wouldn't make me any less guilty of breaking a rule or just being a jerk)

Yeah, I'm a flake.

[Soylent Brice]

15. that doesn't make you a flake.

that's actually quite responsible of you.

[Solly Mack]

21. You're very kind, SB.

I don't think you're a flake either. :)

[Soylent Brice]

73. ...

:blush:

[TZ]

26. Nice. Thanks for being honest

I've done the self delete before, but never that.:)

[Solly Mack]

41. I use self delete as well.

For other reasons.

[gateley]

92. Wow - I'm going to remember that. Good for you! nt

[Solly Mack]

98. I've been too angry to reconsider my words from time to time.

Got an entire sub-thread deleted that way. I saw my anger as my failure....so I changed my thinking. Oh, I still get angry... :)

[gateley]

102. I actually changed my avatar to remind myself 'do I really want to say this?' every

time I post!

But I love your solution of alerting on yourself if you 'come to your senses' too late. Very responsible. :headbang:

[Forkboy]

118. Not a flake at all. One of the best posters we have here.

:hug:

[Solly Mack]

126. Awwwww

:blush:

Backatcha!!

[Arkansas Granny]

4. I had a post that got deleted as part of a deleted sub-thread.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

17. sorry about that :-) n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

76. It was no big deal.

[Kerrytravelers]

86. If you post goes in a deleted sub-thread, unless your post is specifically removed, you won't be

blocked from that thread.

[seabeyond]

5. ya.... and it is almost always when i am mimicking the poster to call attention

to ugly, hypocrisy or simple wrong. it is almost, lol, vital that i be able to do, in certain threads i particpate in. i know it will probably call attention and get us both deleted, but that is cool with me. it just too important to respond, imo. then it is more important to continue into the thread to discuss in reason. not being able to further discuss, to bring to rational, makes discussion pointless in, once again, imo

this one little rule is going to be bothersome for me. but i am always up for a challenge in communication and interaction. i am anxiously waiting to see the results.

[rock]

6. Twice

I got a little excited a couple of times. The Mods do a great job, especially when my own judgement is lacking!

[rucky]

7. If most of us have gotten posts deleted under the old rules

and we're still here posting stuff, then what's the worry? I don't see why that should discourage anybody from posting now, unless someone's an irrecoverable a-hole, then they have more important things they should worry about.

[Fla_Democrat]

Dunno

:shrug:

I'm pretty sure I've never had a stand alone post deleted, but I also think I've been swept up in deleted sub threads. :smoke:

So, let's make this a definite maybe. :evilgrin:

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. ROFL

:rofl:

[Political Tiger]

9. I've had posts deleted but I got over it pretty quickly.

Although I often times wondered why, and from what I understand from now on, or when the new rules go into effect, you'll be able to see why your post was deleted and I think that will help out a lot.

[Laelth]

10. Oh, yes. And several threads locked.

I don't start many threads.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Odin2005]

11. Yep. Mostly in threads involving rape or anti-vax stupidity.

In each topic there is a particular poster that drives me up the wall and gets me extremely angry. One thinks date rape is OK, another thinks her relative became autistic because of the MMR vaccine and uses my Asperger's as an excuse to belittle what I say.

[jschurchin]

Oh Yeah

More than once. And usually for a good reason, like calling a fellow member a fucking idiot or the like. It's funny how I can debate a person rationally in person, but they really get under my skin beind the faceless medium of this machine.

[Odin2005]

18. I have a bad habit of assuming that people who disagree with me must be mentally defective.

:blush:

[closeupready]

72. No offense, but that's why I had you on ignore for a long time.

:hi:

[Odin2005]

113. Sorry!

:blush:

[JonLP24]

12. It depends on what you mean by deleted

I never had one for a personal attack or many of the rules posted.

I've posted in sub-threads or threads that were later deleted but I never did do anything to cause a specific post of mine to get deleted.

I will still post here the same of time and I'm not worried about that rule.

[TZ]

27. LOL

You are one of the people I would have said no. You might be the most inoffensive person on this board, and as someone who posts in Sports a lot that's quite something...:)

[JonLP24]

42. LOL

Thanks.

One thing this new rule may nip in the bud is two certain posters in the Sports forum going at it, in many ways, personally over Big Ten expansion. :)

[Lucian]

13. Yes.

[salvorhardin]

14. Yes. I've been a very bad boy in the past.

I've had posts deleted for misbehaving but I've also had posts in subthreads deleted too that were perfectly fine but were responding to trolls or flamers.

The new rule about not being able to post in a thread if your post was deleted doesn't bother me. I already post much, much less than I used to so I don't see it having a negative effect on how much I post. Anyways, my philosophy and motivations have changed. 99% of the time I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind so I just post the facts as I know them or my opinion and then leave the thread alone. My blood pressure tends to be lower that way.

[Wickerman]

16. So, if you have a post deleted you can't post in that particular thread again?

I'm thinking you can probably find another thread to post in what with there being about 50 new threads an hour on a slow day. And, with the rate people post dupes I'd guess you can continue on with a discussion on the same topic. A post deletion will most likely be a rare thing; I think this is a true non-issue.

[TZ]

28. The problem is....

that sometimes an additional thread gets lost in the hubbub so if you need to make a point and have to do it on another thread, whats the point?
I've been in some battles on vaccine threads where I was in the middle of heated discussions and in order to illustrate a point I've started a new thread. Unfortunately most of the people I was debating stayed on the old thread and the new thread sank almost unnoticed.

[zipplewrath]

19. But I had a thread locked once

Broke a rule I didn't know about. Probably a good rule too.

[nemo137]

20. Yeah, but it wasn't a particularly productive thread, and I had been kind of a jerk.

It's one thread out of the dozens I'd read or post in on any given day.

ETA: Actually, looking back on it, this new rule would have been really helpful in that case. It got trolled up real early, and taking the one out-and-out disruptive poster out of the thread would have produced a lot better discussion.

[lunatica]

22. I have, but I think it isn't automatic that one can't continue to post on a thread

again. DU isn't a machine that throws the baby out with the bathwater. I think the Mods decide on every case on it's own merits.

[TZ]

30. Not yet. Its a new feature thats being considered.

[Kerrytravelers]

97. We actually do read every alerted post in context of the thread.

When an alert comes in, we never rely solely on the alerter's opinion, although telling us what rules you believe a particular post has broken is helpful.

We click in and read each alerted post in context of the thread. If we see other posts have broken the rules, we alert on them ourselves and deal with them in order as they appear in the Mod Forum.

We read the entire thread, be it ten posts, fifty, one hundred or yes, even more. We read the whole thing.

If there has been a deeper allegation, such as thread stalking, etc., we will research that, too.

Everything is in context and every action taken must be done by consensus. No one works alone. This rogue moderator theory is unfounded, as anyone who has ever served as a Mod can confirm. We have threads and posts just like the main boards, so we can see how each alerted was discussed. It is impossible for a Mod to go "rogue". Also, one Moderator in dissension can stop the action agreed upon by ten Moderators. All must agree 100% or no action is taken, so the idea that a couple of biased moderators are going around shaping the board doesn't make sense. When we post our "vote" on an alerted post, we always quote the rules. It is a rule-based exercise.

In the end, all I can do is say this. Because we do not divulge the privacy of our members, they are free to represent their relationship with the Admin and Moderators however they sit fit, truthful or not, and we do not publicly respond to specific allegations.

[xchrom]

23. yep -- i get angry and lose my temper sometimes. nt

[a la izquierda]

24. Yeah, in immigration threads mostly

I don't like veiled (or not-so-veiled) racist comments.

[LeftishBrit]

29. Several deleted sub-threads, but only one individual post deleted

For comparing another poster to Maggie Thatcher!

Probably other posts have deserved deletion. Sometimes not being American when you're angry can be an advantage on this board, in obscuring your attack. E.g. I have also once or twice compared posters to Norman Tebbit, but not all Americans know who he is/was, so I escaped justice!

[AnArmyVeteran]

31. By being banned from a thread means you are unable to clarify your deleted post.

It's going to lead to a lot of frightened fingers as they type messages.

[TZ]

32. Thats EXACTLY what I think.

[AnArmyVeteran]

36. I'm not protesting the rules, but everyone has a slip of the tongue, or finger...

and by not being given a second chance to clarify one's position doesn't seem fair. I can't recall a conversation, post, article or anything I have communicated where I could have said it better or made my point clearer. It's good communication strategy to allow someone to restate their case in another way. I've used headlines that were condensed because of the limited amount of characters I could post there. And in my haste I inserted a word to make it shorter but it inadvertently changed the entire intent of my post. I believe people should be allowed to either have a longer time to edit their post or to have the opportunity to clarify their mistake later in the thread.

But like I said, I'm not attacking the rules. I'm just trying to be constructive and present another way of addressing potential problems.

[TZ]

99. And I understand WHY some of these changes are being made

I'm just afraid that this rule in particular is NOT going to be helpful.

[leftofcool]

33. Of course, most long timers have had at least one deleted post

and have been involved in several deleted threads.

[DawgHouse]

35. Once

When I was brand new here, I had a post deleted when I mentioned a medication I was taking and asked for other people's experiences with it. It was promptly deleted because I was asking for "medical advice" but that actually was not my intention.

[cwydro]

37. Oh hell yes.

Sometimes I was not surprised, but other times, I couldn't figure out why and my queries to the mods were never answered.

[SidDithers]

38. Yup...

I tend to respond in kind. Personal attacks against me have sometimes been met with escalation, which is a no-no. It's not something I'm proud of.

Sid

[ChairmanAgnostic]

39. I used whiteout on one once.

[seabeyond]

40. this thread is like i moved to tx from ca, people told me they never smoked pot

really? nah, really? never smoked pot? at all? ever?

and not really believing them. i figured everyone at least tried pot, once. maybe not like it, but tried it.

really, there are people that never smoked pot

and there are people that never had a speeding ticket

i guess some people have never been deleted. a whole new concept for me.

these things that i think are just norm and everyone experienced

[JonLP24]

45. Well..

I'm being honest to the best of my knowledge and I feel there is no reason for me to lie here. None of you are my parents so I consider myself honest when describing things that I do which includes admitting to using cannabis before.

BTW-I've never had a speeding ticket either but that's not to say I never sped once. Plus I haven't driven anything in the last 2 years because I don't have a car. I did get flashed by those red light cameras once, I was behind a city bus and could not see how long the light was yellow or green. When the bus made the right turn the light was yellow and as soon as I crossed, the light turned red. I was also half the speed of the speed limit as well. Ticket was later dismissed. Anyways that was off topic - point was that I was being honest in this thread. :)

[seabeyond]

55. nor was i challenging your honestly, i made the assumption people are telling truth

why would they lie and why would i care if they did lie, nor do i have a desire to be anyones parents but my kids.... lol

i was playing, it was a tease.

[JonLP24]

56. Oh ok..

This statement "and not really believing them." threw me off.

I know what you're saying though. :)q

[branders seine]

43. only as an innocent bystander in a deleted subthread,

but I've had plenty of threads locked.

[ReverendDeuce]

44. I'd think twice about voting "Yes" on this poll... n/t

n/t

[LaurenG]

104. Why?

I mean they can see who voted yes or no and even check to see if it's true, we can't lie our way out of it. :D

[karynnj]

46. Most of my deleted posts are with deleted subthreads

i will admit that I "innocently" provoked posters like Trellian , the Hillary 44 poster,(sp?) by repeatedly calling her on details of her outrageous posts - pushing her further until the sub thread was deleted. It was the only way - when alert did not immediately work - that I could think of to counter lies or distortion from her.

But, there were others where I aggressively challenged things the Edwards said that I KNEW to be lies or bringing up accurate, but unflattering history on the Clintons. I knew at the time I was skating near the edge in questioning a then popular Democrat. For the most part, I rarely had anything deleted. But this was in the more contentious primary season. I don't think I've had anything deleted since Obama became President - though there are plenty of times I don't look back.

I have mixed feelings on the rule. In the more contentious times it could be used to prevent a second undesired opinion to be heard. It could however keep someone from constantly spamming something with messages that deserve deletion. I suspect that how it will play out will depend on where the lines are drawn for deletion.

[Orrex]

47. Deleted message

[TZ]

81. deleted subthread

:P

[deaniac21]

48. The new rules....video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtsvsLFYYSg

[Kerrytravelers]

90. bwaaahhhhh... *snort* ... love it.

:rofl:

[Tommy_Carcetti]

49. Yes, once. I posted a "Rush (band) sucks" post and this high strung nelly demanded it be deleted.

:hi:

[lost-in-nj]

58. don't you just hate that????

:P


lost

[TZ]

78. Aren't you supposed to be off giving Geddy a foot massage?

:hi:

[Tommy_Carcetti]

103. I was too busy waxing Billy Corgan's bald head.

:P

[PassingFair]

50. Especially lately.

For unknown reasons.

[Vickers]

51. No, of course not.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

:spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank::spank:

[Dr. Strange]

52. I really don't think that's any of your damn business.

I don't need you pigeonholing me, thank you very much.
Jeez, what do you do for a living, anyway?

[TZ]

79. ...

Paid operative who trolls message boards looking for douche-y math freaks. Oh look, I FOUND ONE!! :woohoo:

[Renew Deal]

53. I think rule #3 is problematic.

It's going to cause more problems than it solves.

[Scout]

54. yes, and i'm pretty sure they deserved to be deleted....

i am glad they are clarifying why your posts get deleted, what rule you broke, 'cuz i had to ask a couple times why in the past.

[malaise]

57. Yes n/t

[LynneSin]

59. I have no issues with this for several reasons

And btw it's something I've done myself too.

Someone see their thread delete and yes, it can be annoying/irritating. Perhaps there was a valid point and someone just misread what was written or perhaps just don't want that *#)%#% getting the last word in on an arguement.

Before stuff like that would degrade the treat to no end and create a headache for the admin.

Now, it gives the moderators/admin a chance to do a 'time out'

And like I've said - I've done it too, perhaps sometimes I need a time out.

Perhaps with a rule like this we'll put some thought into what we post. Keep the dicussion civil instead of going off the deep end. And like I said - I'm not pointing figures at everyone else, I've done it too.

[JonLP24]

65. I would add that

Blocking out one or two people from a discussion is not as draconian as locking down the entire discussion from the whole DU population which is actually what Skinner said but it makes total sense to me.

[LynneSin]

68. And I think Skinner and admin are reasonable

If your thread was deleted as part of a deleted subthread, you could ask if you could repost in there again. However, maybe it is best to walk away.

[Kerrytravelers]

88. If you post goes in a deleted sub-thread, unless your post is specifically removed, you won't be

blocked from the thread.

[LynneSin]

94. Thank you for the clarifcation

:D

[Kerrytravelers]

89. The idea is to lock fewer threads.

We always dread doing it and really, we're running out of clever locking messages. :rofl:

[blogslut]

60. Yes and I deserved every deletion

Except for the times when some (not all) of my comments were removed as a result of a sub-thread deletion.

I try to maintain my cool but I sometimes fail and for this, I am ashamed.

What I rarely do is alert when DUers attack me personally. If someone is unable to discuss something with me, without bullying or name-calling, they've lost the point and helping them find it is not my responsibility.

[zorahopkins]

61. I Think So -- But I Did Not Obsess About It

I think I may have had one or two posts deleted.

I just moved on. No obsession about "the unfairness of it all".

[lukasahero]

62. A couple - and I LOVE the new rule

I'll live with the fact that it might mean I don't get to post on a thread once or twice every 7 years if it stops threads being derailed by the same people over and over and over again.

[asdjrocky]

63. More than a few.

And many times, I was very surprised by it. Who knew that you couldn't make fun of Mormons?

[blondeatlast]

64. Several (and I've been here since 2002). nt

[myrna minx]

66. I think I've had a few deleted over the years.

I think most have been when an entire sub-thread is nuked, but I do remember when my anger got the best of me in a rape thread a few years ago. :nuke:

[tranche]

67. Yes. I was frustrated and wanted to disrupt. My post was deleted.

Now, if I showed a pattern of this day in and day out then I'd expect to have a tombstone next to my name.

[blondeatlast]

69. Hell, I unintentionally started a flamewar in The Lounge. ME. (Regarding Mariah Carey's vocal

abilities--note my wording...) :rofl:

[closeupready]

70. Yes, and in most cases, it was probably deserved.

I don't know how much I'm going to change in light of this new policy. I post honestly here, though sometimes undiplomatically, and I don't anticipate changing that.

[Born_A_Truman]

71. Not yet I don't think ...

But I can't tell you how many times I have written a post and then thought better of it and left the thread. My post count would be in the high 5-6 figures otherwise. :P

[Lone_Star_Dem]

74. I'm sure.

I deserved it, too. I knew I was being a jerk or breaking a rule. I'm not stupid, just passionate. I'm for the new rule. It's like a mandatory 'step away from the computer' when I don't force myself to do it voluntarily.

[whatchamacallit]

75. Have you ever had a post not deleted?

would probably be more accurate for me... ;)

[AngryOldDem]

77. Lost my temper once.

But even then I had a problem with the deletion because I had seen much, much worse, not only in that thread but elsewhere here. But who cares. To make "amends" I apologized to the poster for my outburst. Least I could do, I guess.

[azmouse]

80. Sure I've had posts deleted

but I wouldn't consider it a big deal if I couldn't post in that particular thread again.
I don't get into the long posts that go back and forth anyway. Not my style so there is nothing to cramp.

[bigwillq]

82. Yes

I disagree with that rule, the one where you are locked out from a thread if a post is deleted. But, I'll live! :) I hope they reconsider, though.

[Gormy Cuss]

83. I've never had a post deleted for cause, but have had plenty deleted in deleted subthreads.

I have had a thread disappeared for the offense of speaking kindly of the TS'ed, and since it wasn't grave dancing I was surprised by that. It was what Skinner has dubbed "gravemourning" and that's why I brought it up in Skinner's thread in GD.

[JNelson6563]

84. There is way too much nastiness here.

I marbvel at how extremely confrontational the tone is here now. I like the rule. If people stop posting because of it then maybe the problem lies with them, not DU rules.

Julie

[SheilaT]

85. You need a Not Sure choice.

I don't think I've had any posts deleted, but it's possible.

I do try to stop responding if I feel I'm getting sucked into a flame war or stupid argument. Heck, a few days ago I stopped posting in a thread because I could tell that what I was saying wasn't being taken the way I'd like it to be taken, and had a short, cordial, PM exchange with one other poster. Works for me.

I have only gotten one speeding ticket in my life. I'm real careful about where and when I speed. The time I got the ticket I more than deserved it. I decided to stop coloring my hair and let it go gray. Now, when I'm stopped for any kind of a traffic violation I always get off with just a warning. I think it's because I look like mom, or even grandma to a young enough officer, and as long as I'm polite, the officer is not about to give Mom or Grandma a ticket.

My sons, who are in their twenties, don't usually get off so lightly.

edited to add:
Just was checking my recent posts. and something I posted an hour or so disappeared along with the entire thread. It was a pretty outrageous thread, so I'm not surprised. So I have definitely had posts of mine deleted, but only along with threads or sub-threads that have gone into the ether.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

87. I have had more posts deleted --

in the last years than in the previous 8.

In fact, in 8 years under Bush I had maybe three or four posts deleted. I have had easily a dozen or more since O has been in office.

I find it very sad that I could say, "Fuck Bush" when he allowed torture but I am not allowed to say the same about someone else allowing the same behavior. :(

[Forkboy]

91. Moi?

:evilgrin:

[TZ]

95. Just for you

Have you ever had a post in the Sports forum deleted....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....sorry couldn't resist...

[Forkboy]

100. LOL...we get away with all kinds of fun down there.

;)

[PufPuf23]

93. 3 posts for baiting the wardens in the 9-11 dungeon nt

[Nihil]

96. To be fair ...

... most of the time I had half-expected it as I was (over-)reacting
but had hit "Post" before calming down and thinking about it long enough
to realise that - in the scale of things - it really doesn't matter
that much.

:shrug:

[LaurenG]

101. If I'm really furious when I post

they always get deleted.

[Ikonoklast]

105. More than once.

No real biggie, except as part of a deleted sub-thread once or twice, where I didn't see what caused things to go awry.

I was swept up in the rest of it, I guess.

Sometimes I wondered what was up with a particular post that gets deleted, but, I seldom dwell on such things.

I try to be civil, for the most part.

[Spirochete]

106. Yeah, a couple of them

I remember one was because I suggested drowning Lieberman. There were one or two more, but don't remember what they were. Fights with freepers, I think.

[last_texas_dem]

107. As far as I can remember, only as part of a deleted subthread

Not to say that I haven't posted things that technically violated some rule or another, but off of the top of my head I've never had a post or thread deleted based upon its content.

[trayfoot]

108. Not to my knowledge.

[Codeine]

109. Plenty, and always deservedly.

I make no bones about being an asshole.

[MrScorpio]

110. Oh, yeah

Some of my proudest achievements

[pitohui]

111. yes

and on at least 3 or 4 occasions no reasonable person would have thought the post in question a violation of any rule, but there are going to be some people and some of those people sometimes will be mods, who just don't like you if you're a blunt, plain spoken person

a lot of people need sugar coating and/or have trouble reading for comprehension and i don't know how much time you should bother wasting on such people

the person who insists on mis-reading your thoughts or the person who insists on always having hurt feelings is never going to be happy, in fact, there's a poster here who almost certainly isn't what she claims and who has succeeded in getting a much more valuable (if vulnerable and tempermental) poster removed...but we're not even allowed to discuss such things

anyone can pretty much claim their feelings have been hurt by anyone else's opinion is the take-away i've taken away

i try to be nice but i'm not gonna stress it too much, my posts are too long as they are, without five hundred different ways of saying "i don't mean YOU personally honey are an idiot but anyone w. any knowledge of life and science knows that what you just said is completely idiotic" -- they're gonna take it wrong anyway, but what are you supposed to? just let idiots do all the talking? they do 99.9 percent of it as it is...

[racaulk]

112. I haven't had any of my posts deleted.

Nope. Not once. Never.

And if you don't believe me, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

[gratuitous]

114. Hell to the yes

And always undeservedly so.

[FloridaJudy]

115. Of course.

Hell, I've had entire threads I started disappear into the ether, so I couldn't have posted in them anyway.

I consider myself an above-averagely even tempered sort, so I've never been admonished for abusive language, but apparently it's no longer acceptable to say anything remotely complimentary about people the mods consider persona non grata.

The rare threads where I completely lost it and started swearing still stand though.

Go figure.

[taterguy]

116. What's it to you fuckface?

(Just wanted to see how the new system worked)

[Forkboy]

119. ....

I like the cut of your jib! :rofl:

[taterguy]

122. Thank god the mods haven't noticed my post so I can still reply

I would hate to leave your liking the cut of my jib unacknowledged.

[Crystal Clarity]

117. I was an "innocent bystander" in a sub deleted thread

That doesn't count does it? :shrug:............ O8)

[Forkboy]

120. That's what they all say.

;)

[AsahinaKimi]

121. Hmmm

One posting was deleted, and I know why. It was a stupid thing to post.. But the idea was not mine, someone else's. I don't listen to him anymore. At the time, I thought it was kinda funny, but it really wasn't.


I have had some humorous comments deleted ..I guess I have to get better at it. And, as somone reminded me once, I am no Margaret Cho!

[Forkboy]

123. My friends have lots of funny ideas for me.

Never trust these kinds of friends lol. :)

[flvegan]

124. Nope.

I'm a saint who also happens to always be right.



:hide:

[lovuian]

125. I was locked because the video I put up had a bad source

I apologize for that I didn't know that I just looked at the title and thought the info good

[Ohio Joe]

127. Yes

I sometimes drink and post.