elect a democrat in florida stop helping crist

[SwampG8r]

we have a pre primary situation here in florida
we have more than on dem candidate running
meek from south florida a representative in congress
kevin burns who is an openly gay former mayor of miami
and jeff greene a west palm beach billionaire

all three are democrats and all are trying for the nomination
why are DU posters allowed to post in favor of crist when 3 count em 3 democrats are in the race at this time?
why are people allowed to advocate for a former(?)republican?
crist only wins if he takes dem votes
dem votes voted to dems will elect a dem
crist pulls voters from the GOP weakening rubio
the advocacy of a single democratic vote going to crist is an advocacy against any of these 3 democratic candidates winning

i am more ashamed of the rationalizations that will be posted here about voting for crist.
its easy for all of you not in florida to cheapshot us and we constantly are
and we deserve it usually
but if YOU are going around and working against OUR dem candidates for office then you need to face your share of the blame for our fuckedupedness
when i vote i will pull the lever marked (d) that stands for democratic party
charlie crist can go blow a goat


rant off
edited to change the title after i read it it sounded like a call out and its not

[NNN0LHI]

1. Because Crist stopped chanting Drill, baby, drill!, with the teabaggers a long time ago

Like last year.

Don

[Taverner]

8. Yep!

Crist is one of the few Republicans we can work with

[Doctor_J]

21. I think NNN was being facetious

Mocking Charlie's Charlie-come-lately environmentalism.

[Raineyb]

2. I would like to see an answer to this myself.

If one is not allowed to advocate for Greens who are left leaning I see no bloody reason why rooting for a right leaning third party candidate should be allowed.

The hypocrisy is stunning and obvious.

[SwampG8r]

3. what gets me is

everyone loves to point at florida but no one wants to help us fix anything

[stevenelijah]

4. don't post much

I have been a lurker on du since 2000. Don't post much...only created an account a short time ago.

The op is scary. What's this about advocating that people not be "allowed" to post certain things?

Why not make your case against crist supporters? I suppose you believe it to be easier to shut down debate than to have to make your case.

[SwampG8r]

5. why are we debating the GOP candidate

here on DU
if you want i will quote you the rules or you can go read them
this forum is not supposed to support conservatives which crist is

[stevenelijah]

6. i suppose you are right...

[Edweird]

10. He's Independent.

[SwampG8r]

53. he says he is conservative

but you do whatever it takes to rationalize your support

[Fla_Democrat]

52. Crist is no conservative

He's 'pragmatic', he's an opportunist, but he's no conservative, in fact, he's not liberal, he's what ever he thinks will get him elected. :smoke:

Though, I agree with you, he will siphon off more D votes than R votes, especially up here in the sticks.

[SwampG8r]

57. which is the gop plan

offer the lesser of 2 evils and deliver evil
everyone seems to thats aok

[Bitwit1234]

7. The Democrat will not win..he will not and Crist is a hell of a lot

better than Rubio. So what do people do let Rubio and Jebbie boy win.

[Doctor_J]

22. That's my view from the Great Lakes

None of the Dems has a prayer of winning. Crist is at least sane.

[Lorien]

40. And Crist can be pushed further to the Left. He's not an ideologue. Given new

facts and information he will adjust his position. Meek has run a weak, meek campaign, never heard of the other contender, and Greene? I sure as hell am not about to trust a West Palm Beach Billionaire repug "turned" Dem to represent me!

[SwampG8r]

54. you sure have supposed a lot of supposing

looking at crists record what supports your claims?
you dont want a democrat to represent you?why are you here?
you will trust a republican turned "independent" but not one who has embraced the democratic party?
you will trust the republican to caucus with us but not the democrat?
again why are you here?

[stray cat]

9. You mean elect a conservative republican and stop supporting Crist?

it could go that way as well

[SwampG8r]

15. crist pulls votes from the gop

if dems dont vote for him he loses and rubio loses too

[Sebastian Doyle]

26. Crist IS a conservative Republican

He only stopped calling himself one because he lost his own primary to a teabagger.

Sort of the bizarro world equivalent of what Lieberdouche did. Except Joe wasn't actually a Democrat before or after he stopped calling himself one. Charlie, on the other hand, still refers to himself as a "common sense conservative".

He is not a Democrat by any definition.

[Edweird]

11. Because in this race it's gonna be Crist or Rubio. Your choice.

[SwampG8r]

18. there will be three names and three political affiliations on the ballot

your choice

[Edweird]

19. There could be 43543532 names on the ballot but Crist or Rubio will win.

[SwampG8r]

yes with your help they will

[Edweird]

30. With or without my 'help' it will be one of the two.

[SwampG8r]

43. thanks for pushing the GOP candidates

[SargeUNN]

12. right support a Democrat is a better idea because

to have a Republican (which Crist is) that we can work with isn't as good as have a Democrat that is one of us.

[Jefferson23]

13. I'm curious about a couple things. You live in Florida, right?

More important than who supports the Dems here on DU I think would be worthwhile to understand what kind of support
are the Dems getting from Floridians? I ask because I honestly don't know.

The one thing I recall about Crist vs Meek was that Crist vetoed the Florida teacher pay bill while Meek I believe
did not do much to speak out against it at the time.

It appears that Crist positioned himself very well to garner support from Democrats away from Meek, perhaps a lackluster
candidate. The other Democrats running, I know very little about, who do you think is the strongest candidate for Democrats
to get behind?


on edit for clarity.

[SwampG8r]

16. greene would be best

in florida we have a strange electorate
the northern part of the state is very southern and will not vote for a black man of either party
the center of the state is politically right and the sothern end is very dem
if crist pulls 29% of the gop vote then he makes it easy for a REAL dem to win without crossover voting
now is the time for unity behind a dem

[DCBob]

20. You know Greene used to be a Republican.. right? He even ran for elected office as an R..

One could make the same arguments against Greene that many are using against Crist.

[SwampG8r]

24. he is NOW a democrat

when crist says that i will stop noticing the political acrobatics involved with supporting him
if you can vote for the GOP candidate
and there ARE 2 in this race for you to choose from
feel free

[Edweird]

27. Rubio is the GOP candidate.

[DCBob]

32. Crist is NOW an Independent and will likely caucus with the Democrats..

and will likely vote more often with the Dems than many of our current Dem Senators.

[nashville_brook]

34. Crist is for DOMA, for limiting abortion, pro drug war, and a flat tax proponent (we can do better)

Charlie Crist on Abortion
Defend parental notification rights. (Nov 2006)
Prohibit partial-birth abortion. (Nov 1998)


Charlie Crist on Civil Rights
Discontinue affirmative action programs. (Nov 1998)
Uphold Florida’s Defense of Marriage Act. (Nov 2006)


Charlie Crist on Crime
Stop Turning Out Prisoners: serve at least 85% of sentence. (Dec 2009)
Supports 10-20-Life and Stop Turning Out Prisoners program. (Mar 2008)
Supports 10-20-Life and Stop Turning Out Prisoners program. (Mar 2008)
Proposed the Anti-Murder Act. (Mar 2007)
Require that prisoners serve at least 85% of their sentences. (Nov 2006)
Broaden use of federal death penalty. (Nov 1998)
More federal prisons; more “truth in sentencing”. (Nov 1998)


Charlie Crist on Drugs
More penalties against drugs; more funds for enforcement. (Nov 1998)

Charlie Crist on Education
As Commissioner of Educ., implemented school accountability. (Dec 2009)
Early advocate for parental choice in education. (Nov 2006)
Allow vouchers for any public, private or religious school. (Nov 1998)
Constitutional amendment for school prayer. (Nov 1998)


Charlie Crist on Tax Reform
Reduce property taxes by doubling homestead exemption. (Mar 2007)
Replace income tax with a flat tax or national sales tax. (Nov 1998)
$12B in federal economic stimulus as state block grants. (Jan 2008)

[DCBob]

36. Are you sure Jeff Greene the billionaire is better?

http://leaveittogreene.com/microsite/claims

BTW, Crist has always been a moderate and has been moving more and more left every since he shed his R. I think Crist is a "closet" liberal and will be a more reliable vote on liberal issues than many Dems now in the Senate. Not sure what Greene the billionaire would do.

[SwampG8r]

44. crist still calls himself a conservative

you do what you need to to make supporting him ok with yourself
i will vote for the democrat

[SwampG8r]

55. i pretending to convince yourself

that is true allows you to support the conservative candidate on a progressive board then be my guest to your delusion

[Lorien]

39. Forget the labels; what's his voting record on the ISSUES?

Crist supports green energy projects, public schools, and is against electronic paperless voting. What's Greene's stand on those issues?

[Edweird]

23. Except for Grayson in Ocala and Miami which isn't so "Dem".

[nashville_brook]

33. to clarify -- Grayson is actually Orlando and north, including weird parts of old FL

The I-4 corridor where Grayson's district is located, is known as one of the most "swingy" parts of the nation. lots of national whistle-stops come thru here b/c of that.

[Lorien]

38. The West Palm Beach Billionaire is going to work for us how?

How can he identify with those of us who are unemployed and hurting in this State? Who do you think that he'll ultimately side with?

[SwampG8r]

56. i will take my chances on who the democratic candidate will side with

i hope he will side with me sinse he is a democrat
crist is a self named conservative and will help only himself
but you do whatever ethical barrel rolls are needed to make yourself feel like you doing the right thing by supporting a self named conservative on a prgressive board

[peekaloo]

46. actually Meek publicly implored Chuckles to veto that bill.

the same bill Chuckles was in favor of prior to the public outcry.


I keep checking milk cartons for Meek's picture...:-(

[Ganja Ninja]

14. I'm not voting for a republican.

I don't give a crap who wins between Crist and Rubio but neither of them will get my vote. And yes I would rather let Rubio win then give my vote to Crist.

[SwampG8r]

17. may god bless you forever

and let me thank you too

[Ganja Ninja]

25. I'm tired of all this voting for the lesser evil.

Sometimes you have to take the loss and let the crap hit the fan. If Rubio wins and he screws things up then that will be the end of him for good. He will discredit his party and cause people to look elsewhere for leadership and we won't have to keep settling for the lesser evil.

[SwampG8r]

29. double that for me

[csziggy]

42. Same here - I will never vote for a Republican

And Crist kept far too many of Jeb Bush's policies for me to think he is a closet liberal. He is out for himself - he will wear whatever hat lets him win an election.

I'm voting for Meek. I wish he'd get his campaign in gear, but he is the only one I have seen that I can support.

[Doctor_J]

28. Remember when millions of Floridians voted their conscience in Y2K?

No thanks

[SwampG8r]

45. funny how when it fits the narrative

of supporting a conservative in an election that vote is all of a sudden a good fair count
i will bet you have yourself said that that election was wrong
it is sad that to fit the purpose of promoting the election of a selfconfessed conservative you would claim otherwise to fit your personal political beliefs

[nashville_brook]

31. purity tester!!!

:sarcasm:

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. The meter of that poem is way off

Maybe you should try the Haiku format. Or is it to be sung to a popular tune?

[kelly1mm]

37. It is clearly against the rules. Although it seems to be allowed for this election. nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

41. Kevin Burns dropped his US Senate bid to run for the State Seante and

he was the Mayor of North Miami, not Miami.

[SwampG8r]

47. thank you for the info

i am in north central florida on the east coast and was working from memory
my miami knowledge is slim as i try not to go there
if burns is out i am behind the times in re south florida

[NorthCarolina]

48. Because Crist is the DLC's kind of Democrat. eom

[SwampG8r]

49. sadly this is what i am starting to believe

the dlc never saw a conservative they didnt love
and i know the dlc has a large and vocal contingent here so perhaps that explains why its allowed to go on

[NorthCarolina]

50. Yes, promoting conservative think on DU

seems to be all the rage now days. A ruckus ensues only when you attempt to discuss Liberal or Progressive ideals.

[SwampG8r]

51. all the pro conservative duers weighed in here it seems

i am surprised it is still not locked

[NorthCarolina]

58. True...where's the

support the Dems just because they call themselves Dems crowd on this post? Oh yeah, Crist is one of them so he gets a pass. Almost forgot.