Late 1930s/early 1940s

[Stinky The Clown]

From paper . . .


. . . . to prototype, the German Horten 229, intended by Goering to be stealth against the very secret, recently developed radars of the Allies


War spoil in a Smithsonian warehouse outside DC, but under lock and key


Ressurection in replication


Then and now, as if they were

[Hawkowl]

1. $500 million a piece

Who'd a known antiques would be worth so much?

[Brother Buzz]

14. I learned the old blanket thrown over my chair could be worth $500,000 on a good day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91sHDoufhAg

[defendandprotect]

2. Really interesting . . . . looks just like the thing US brought out much, much later . . .

can't think of the name of the stealth plane we developed --

But evidently we grabbed a lot of Nazi stuff -- some say they had atomic weapons/bombs --

and that the test bomb we dropped -- and one of the bombs dropped on Japan were actually

made in Germany --


We also brought in a tens of thousands of Nazis and Dulles used them to found the CIA and

funneled many of them into FBI and other government agencies --

Obviously, that's why we are where we are today!

[TheWraith]

3. Can you talk about anything without tin-foil conspiracy theories?

The German nuclear research project was well documented. They had no bomb, nor were they going to any time soon.

Also, the advent of American stealth technology didn't come from the Germans, it was a ground-up project.

[apocalypsehow]

4. The question answers itself. n/t.

[ParkieDem]

9. Exactly.

Here's our own version of the "flying wing," the Northup YB-49:

[MadHound]

10. Actually Northrop Grumman was given the Horten 229 after the war

Northrop had already been working on flying wing designs before the war, putting out various prototypes and designs that Jack Northrop freely admitted were based on the Horton brothers pre-war flying wing gliders.

It is no coindencedence that the Northrup Grumman B2 and the Ho 229 look so much alike, the B2 is indeed based on the Ho 229 design. If you look at the Northrop flying wing designs that were coming out during the latter part of WWII and during immediate post war years, you will find little in common with the Ho-229, and even less in common with the B2. But with the B2 you see the same drop back wings, the same placement of the 2 jet engines (located next to the cockpit rather than out on the wings as Northrop had previously done. Not to mention that the carbon composite skinning employed on the B2 is a direct descendant of the carbon composite used to skin the H0 229. The B2 is a direct result of the lesson learned from, and the technology adapted from the Ho 229.

The fact of the matter is that there was an incredible amount of technology transferred from Germany to the US, as well as the Soviet Union (some of which we still don't know about). We went to the moon using German V2 technology. Our cruise missiles fly on technology descended from V1's. Tank technology in the US received a jolt from captured German Panzer tech. The fact of the matter is that the Germans were decades ahead of the rest of the world in many different areas of warfare tech, in fact in some cases they were ahead of the material that was currently available at the time.

The fact is that the US benefited greatly from the technology we got from the Germans post war. The B2 is but one example of how we benefited.

[TheWraith]

11. The B-2 wasn't our first stealth aircraft, though.

It evolved out of improvements made on the F-117A, which in itself bore little to no resemblance to the B2. The Ho 229 may have had a reduced radar cross section, and put some ideas in the ether, but it wasn't a true stealth aircraft by any measure, with only a 40% lower RCS than a typical aircraft of the time.

[MadHound]

13. It was the first major step along the path to true stealth,

And it is considered by aviation historians to be the first of the truly stealth aircraft. After all, a forty percent reduction was huge in WWII, and post WWII terms.

Furthermore, as I stated earlier, the B2 nicked a number of improvements in both design and materials from both the Ho 229 and the Ho 18 (which was still in the design phase at the end of the war, but incorporated many of the technologies of the Ho 229).

The Nighthawk stealth was built by Lockheed, which didn't have access to the Ho 229 V3 that resided at Northrop, thus of course it would be significantly different from the B2. But please note, the B2, Northrop's first entry into the stealth field had a strong resemblance to the Ho 229, because it was based on the Ho 229 and Horton's other pre-war work.

The Nighthawk was also, unlike the Ho 229 and B2, a very unstable craft in the air, and it is the flying wing design of the B2 that overtook it and became the focus of stealth technology for a long while. When somebody thinks of stealth, they think B2, not the Nighthawk.

[dionysus]

12. +10000

:rofl:

[defendandprotect]

17. Oh . . . I forgot . . . this is "Conspiracy-free-America" . . . yep . . .!!

And presume you were there in Germany and know exactly what went down - -

We didn't take all of their intelligence, either -- including the heads of their

intelligence -- and including their "medical" tests on prisoners!

Germany certainly did have atomic weapons -- that information is becoming clearer

now --

And that early information was the impetus for American trying to build one --

It is only at the end of the war that US has success . . . coincidentally --

The plane I was thinking of actually which minics a UFO was I think the

"Spririt of St. Louis"? Think that was the last "great innovation" the military

announced -- in theatrical like introduction with music!

The history of the US government doesn't instill confidence -- ethically.

Beginning with the destruction/genocide of the Native American --

The enslavement of Africans here --

100 years of Segregation --

on and on into the modern period of wars of imperialism --

perpetual wars to enrich the elites -- and to co-opt other nations -- steal their

natural resources.

Kinda like what we're doing in Afghanistan and Iraq right now!!

:eyes:

[Warren DeMontague]

19. And that doesn't even include the moon landings they faked...

....right?

[proteus_lives]

5. "and one of the bombs dropped on Japan were actually..."

"made in Germany"

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:tinfoilhat:

[name not needed]

6. Yeah, and Patton was Korean.

[defendandprotect]

18. You're right of course . . . America wouldn't steal German techology and lie about it -- ????

Nor hide Nazis and plow them into US government . . . nah!

Gehlen -- Werner Von Braun -- "Medical tests conducted on prisoners" --


There was NO nuclear weapon until after Germany surrendered --

otherwise we would have probably dropped it on Japan much earlier --

[Warren DeMontague]

20. Basically, the one consistent thread in all your conspiracies is that the US is totally incapable

of doing anything, except maybe maintaining a vast, centuries-long conspiracy on everything from nuclear weapons to space exploration.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. Oh man ..... where to start?

Or maybe better ..... why start?

[slackmaster]

16. In fact the Germans actually DID bomb Pearl Harbor

...and that the test bomb we dropped -- and one of the bombs dropped on Japan were actually

made in Germany...

I shall cherish this quote by defendandprotect forever.

Hey, it's only three weeks until August 6!!!

:nuke:

[melm00se]

8. stealth technology

is, in part, driven by the physical profile of the craft but also be the materials used in construction.

[apocalypsehow]

15. ...

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