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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:03 AM
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Shilling for Crist is shilling for the conservatives
we have at least 2 active democratic candidates, and shilling for crist, who is at best a right wing indy, is kind of shitty behaviour on a progressive board.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:06 AM
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1. K&R
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:07 AM
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2. it's the new New -- we'll fix Crist later. nt
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:08 AM
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3. Well, we only have two choices.
You know something we don't about the Democrats that are running?
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:12 AM
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4. i know they are democrats
and i know crist is an opportunistic shitwipe
i am sick of the lesser of 2 evils
i will no longer allow myself to choose evil because one is less evil
as if there is a lessening in levels of evil
i am going to vote against evil and if evil wins it wont be because i helped it
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:46 AM
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9. Fine. You and I disagree. I don't think Crist is evil.
Or an opportunist.

Go Dawgs!! ;-)
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:13 AM
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12. ...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:47 AM
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15. so, what other Republicans do you support?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:51 AM
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17. I don't support any, including Crist.
I never said I did.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 12:40 PM
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22. what other third party candidates will you be supporting?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 02:21 PM
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23. None, including Crist.
Are you deliberately not reading my posts?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 02:45 PM
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25. Even under your assumption that it is a "lesser of two evils" contest, just because you dont LIKE it
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 02:46 PM by BzaDem
doesn't mean it isn't such a choice. You choosing not to vote for the lesser of two evils is simply helping the greater of two evils. It's not as if there is a lessening of the choice just because you don't like the choice, or aren't that thrilled with the choice.

Your incorrect assumption is that you can avoid helping "evil" win by staying out of the race between the lesser of two evils. This is false on its face. Your choice (or lack thereof) will always be helping one of the two "evils." It is simply a question of which one will be helped by your action or inaction.
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OZark Dem Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:17 AM
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5. Christ would be a Independent that caucuses with the REpubs?
But he would have no fear of, or obligation to the right wing nut cases. He could ignore DeMent.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:28 AM
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6. its all a farce the gop has 2 candidates in the race
and one has been tailored to cancel out dem voters
these folks pushing crist are trying to stick us with a GOP senator by dividing the vote and making sure one of 2 GOP candidates wins out
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:56 AM
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19. there it is. eom
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 03:31 PM
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26. One of the two was gonna win anyway. Meek hasn't been able to
climb out of the low double digits since he announced his candidacy. This race was always between Rubio & Crist.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:38 AM
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7. If Naderites get banned so should people that support Crist.
Fuck the double standards!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:40 AM
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8. no more lesser evils for me
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:49 AM
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16. amen. this is a huge slap in the face to Florida DEMOCRATS.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:58 AM
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10. +1000
As a republican, he is a liar. His ruse of independence is just that; a ruse. If elected he will remain a republican.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:01 AM
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11. I call him a Charliecan.
He does what's best for Charlie.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 04:27 PM
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27. indeed he does. Typical republican.
We continue to be Charlie Brown playing football with Lucy.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:19 AM
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13. I agree fully
It is shilling for a erstwhile Republican. And it is most certainly promoting a Third Party Candidate over the Democratic candidate. Now many of the Crist lovers like to say 'the Democrat can not win' but I point out that the same could have been said by Nader voters, and it seems they would have been right, Gore did not win. Same could have been said for Green voters who rejected Kerry, Kerry could not win. They said it, and he did in fact not win. Never was going to. His failure was as predictable as that of Meek. And of course, we can all of us read the future, we know who 'can win' and who 'can not win' so very well that on election nights, we are never nervous, for we already know the future, right? We are Kreskin, and we know who will win and who will fail.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:47 AM
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14. absofreakinglutely.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:54 AM
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18. thank you. eom
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Orlandodem Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:57 AM
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20. Think long term! If Crist (and Sink) win, the Republicans are shut out of the 3 most powerful
positions in FL politics - US Senate seats and executive branch. If they win the Atty General seat that is 4 seats they are shut out of. If Amendments 5 and 6 pass Republicans in the legislature can't gerrymander their own districts anymore, thus helping Progressive Dems!

Crist has been on the phone with Harry Reid (reported on ST. Pete Times blog). If Crist wins he may caucus with the Dems.

Crist winning is GOOD for FL Dems in the long run. We need to knock off the ruling Republicans now and we can deal with the rest later.
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Orlandodem Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:06 AM
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21. Crist supports extending unemployment (Rubio's against).
Crist supported the stimulus (Rubio is against)
Crist supports banning near-shore drilling of Florida's coast (Rubio won't commit)
Crist has been on the phone with Harry Reid this week talking about caucusing
Crist supports amendments 5 and 6 to ban gerrymandering (the Republican-dominated legislature is against).
Crist vetoed a draconian abortion bill passed by the Republican legislature.
Crist vetoed a the teacher merit pay bill.

The bottom line is that Crist has taken many Dem positions and I'll be glad to hold him to it when he wins in November. Right now, I can't trust that Meek will win and Rubio will NEVER support any Dem positions.

Just because Crist used to have an R after his name is no reason to vote for him. The Rs HATE him and Crist supports Dem positions on many issues.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 02:23 PM
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24. Crist also got Florida's voting probs reigned in and extended early voting in 2008...
...against his party's wishes.

If I were a Floridian, I would still vote for the Democrat, but I will not complain if Crist wins over the Republican alternative.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 05:14 PM
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28. uhh, Meek has yet to come to St. Pete or Tampa
If you consider Greene to be a progressive I think you might be mistaken. He's trying to buy a seat because he's run out of things to do with his spare time.

Yo, Kendrick Meek, please send me your campaign literature.


Yo, Kendrick Meek, let's hear what you have to say to the unwashed masses in Pinellas County instead of the rich enclaves of Palm Beach.

Oh, I forgot, I'm not a member of an organized political party. I'm a farking Democrat.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 05:20 PM
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29. This place makes no sense to me anymore.
So voting for Republicans instead of Democrats is now the more sensible and pragmatic thing to do? :crazy: So if you advocate to vote for a Green party member you get banned. You advocate for voting for the Republican, that's ok. Strange Days indeed.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 05:35 PM
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31. The Admins have painted themselves into quite the corner on this one.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 05:32 PM
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30. Apparently it's okay to advocate for third parties so long as the candidate is a right winger
Those damn left-wing Greens? They're the devil!

And if Democrats support this right winged liar then they will have proved Nader right. There really won't be a dime's worth a difference between the party.
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