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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:00 PM
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Memo to America's Middle Class: Obama Is Just Not That Into You
this whole piece is a MUST READ.


http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/08/19-6


Memo to America's Middle Class: Obama Is Just Not That Into You
by Arianna Huffington


As we head into the stretch run of the 2010 midterms, and get closer to the halfway point of President Obama's first term, we're hearing a lot of media chatter about the "enthusiasm gap" plaguing Democrats. There is also a lot of talk about whether progressives -- aka "the professional left" -- should or shouldn't be disappointed in Obama. In a post about last month's Netroots Nation gathering in Las Vegas, Matt Yglesias wrote that at this year's event, "the dominant mood" was "depressed" and that he could feel a "considerable degree of ill will toward Barack Obama and his administration."

(snip

...Progressives, for your own good, it's my duty to point something out to you: the president's just not that into you...it's clear that Obama just doesn't have the fire in his belly that many activists thought he had...And you know what? That's okay. It's not ideal, but it doesn't mean that Obama's first term can't be a success. What it means, however, is that those who voted for transformation can't simply sit back and wait for the man of their dreams to do it for them. That, as we've seen, is a recipe for frustration. And the sooner progressives realize this, the stronger they'll be and the more likely it is that the goals that Obama won America over with -- especially saving the middle class, the "North Star" of his campaign -- will be met.

...As I argue in Third World America, what we need is Hope 2.0: the realization that change will not come from Washington or from one man; that real change will only come when enough people outside Washington demand it, and make it politically risky to stick to the status quo.


(snip)

The latest unemployment figures are similarly dismal. The $26 billion jobs bill the president signed into law last week is a good but anemic start. As Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute put it, "The economic case for more government action to create jobs is about as clear as they come." And this isn't something the Obama administration can dismiss as an idea held only by those on "the professional left." Earlier this month, Charlie Rose had on Kenneth Rogoff, a professor of economics at Harvard and former chief economist at the IMF, and David Wessel, the economics editor of the Wall Street Journal. "The president needs to speak plainly to Americans about what the game plan is here," said Wessel, "not to pretend that everything is wonderful, which sometimes, frankly, they do."

(snip)

If Obama is going to do the right thing for America's middle class by sticking to his promise to start winding down (for real) the war in Afghanistan in July 2011, and by prioritizing jobs over the long-term deficit, the passion is going to have to come from outside the White House.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:01 PM
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1. What middle class?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:16 PM
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20. very good question. every other house in our neighborhood is foreclosed...i do wonder where
they all went.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:02 PM
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2. How many times is this anti us message going to be posted?
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 07:04 PM by liberal N proud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8978648

Keep posting the same shit, expecting us to believe it. We are smarter than that here.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:08 PM
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10. didn't see Donna's thread -- sorry to ruffle yer feathers...you may fly away if you don't like
the truth.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:15 PM
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18. heheh
:evilgrin:
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:20 PM
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106. I'm in Knoxville, Nashville, and our state is going to hell in a handbasket.
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 11:20 PM by Kalyke
While I agree that it takes a village, it would help if the village elders weren't so hostile to the natives.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 09:05 AM
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117. i totally hear you on TN politics. i spent 13 years in the TriCities, then 10 in Nashville...
and it's just a freak show. i've been in Orlando since 2006, but was working downtown in Nashville when the whole NO TAX thing was happening...with the honking horns and the radio talk show/Chamber of Commerce zombies throwing conniptions at the capitol. it was ugly and stupid.

in TN, the fight has moved from free market fundamentalism to just plain fundamentalism in recent years. the whole thing with the mosque in Murfreesboro, is a particularly ugly thing...but in this regard, FL is might have you beat...with the religious fanatics in Jax burning copies of the Koran.

when i left TN it was not my intent to wind up in FL (i'm a native Floridian). i wanted to find a nice blue home. maybe in 5 years.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 09:05 AM
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118. delete - dupe
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 09:08 AM by nashville_brook
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:29 PM
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59. wow -- pot meet kettle
Unbelievable hypocrisy on the boards tonight. It was posted ONCE earlier this evening by me. Of course, it's not a *polly positive* posting of the first family feeding dolphins off the keys, or even more photos of visitors to the WH staring in adulation at the Oval Office, etc.

THOSE postings get regurgitated several times a day - but this gets posted TWICE and all hell breaks loose? Do you need someone called to help you remove the cloth from the crack? :sarcasm:

:eyes:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:32 PM
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62. "Come on in the water's fine" -- that was posted at least 10 times.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:35 PM
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90. Tag team attacks
Love it!

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:48 PM
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93. paranoid, much?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:50 PM
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95. ...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:07 PM
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96. doncha worry!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:44 PM
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91. I didn't see the earlier one. Chill.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:03 PM
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3. AKA working folks...
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:13 PM
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16. Jeebus. Look at them go. This must hit a wee too close to home.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:25 PM
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25. yup -- they are getting rather shrill lately
Might have something to do with the rising unemployment figures. And lots of people refusing to believe in the *recovery* that never was. :shrug:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:30 PM
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27. At what point, I wonder, are we permitted input on our own party?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:36 PM
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30. it's called participatory democracy -- not feudalism. it's our DUTY to participate.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:37 PM
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31. Wonder why that concept eludes so many?
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:18 PM
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98. When we write checks or show up at the polls on election day
otherwise, we're expected to just STFU.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:31 PM
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28. like Arianna says, "we need Hope 2.0" >>
the realization that change will not come from Washington or from one man; that real change will only come when enough people outside Washington demand it, and make it politically risky to stick to the status quo.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:49 PM
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33. And Arianna is getting shat on, spit at, and thrown under the bus for saying it
After all -- you're not supposed to say ANYTHING negative, no matter how truthful it is, because then some imaginary referee allows the *other side to win*.... :eyes:

I think when we finally admit we have the same sort of authoritarian types on our side we'll be able to do something about that. Right now it's just enough to be heard above the shrill keening. :shrug:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:09 PM
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40. Who told them that works, by the way?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:19 PM
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47. that's an excellent point. throwing our best advocates under the bus is shitty strategy.
what's happened, though, is that we have a Tiger Beat argument happening. who is cuter? Leif Garrett? or, David CassIdy?

or SHAUN CASSIDY!!
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:26 PM
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53. Oooh ooh! SHAUN. That HAIR! So dreamy.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:18 PM
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87. the one and only time i had a Tiger Beat it had those 3 in it. that's how OLD i am!!
ACK!
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:17 PM
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105. Wow, I remember that
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 11:18 PM by Art_from_Ark
My sister started subscribing to Tiger Beat because of all the puff pieces on David Cassidy, a.k.a. Keith Partridge!
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:24 PM
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51. honestly, I think some are lifting this shit straight out of the puke handbook
All kidding aside, it IS a problem no one wants to talk about. Look at this particular op, the players are having a grand old time tearing it to shreds, because it has a *dissent* viewpoint that doesn't work with *the recovery is working* pr nonsense from the WH.

It's a REAL problem in a party that claims to be *Big Tent*.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:28 PM
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57. if the party becomes unable to claim "big tent" status, it will be b/c of the DLC bullying
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:03 PM
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5. It's a bunch of crap. Unrec. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:04 PM
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6. so -- did you even read it in the 2 seconds since posted?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:06 PM
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9. It's a dupe. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:08 PM
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12. lots of duplicates on DU. i'm sure everyone will live thru it.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:05 PM
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7. However, the GOP is waiting to take you in its arms!
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 07:06 PM by stray cat
and SQUASH you. RUN back to your daddy W Bush who loves you!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:06 PM
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8. yeah -- that's not exactly the message of her essay. you should read it.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:08 PM
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11. Oh yeah, and unrec this BS again. Arianna chose a stupid title frm a stuid movie
that's been played ad nauseum OTL 3 months on cable. She's losing her touch. Oh, and her Republican roots are showing. Perhaps she needs a touchup.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:09 PM
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14. it's not BS crap to millions of people out of work, losing their homes, and going bankrupt.
and if you actually read it, instead of kneejerking, you might actually see that she's on your side.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:14 PM
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17. So blame the GD rethugs for obstructing every damned thing
possible that might benefit the middle class. Why is that a problem for her?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:20 PM
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21. you guys have to come off of this notion that putting pressure on the Blue Dogs, and Obama's
Blue Dog tendencies, is somehow mutually exclusive from placing blame on the GOP. and it would also be good to develop a more mature sense of the nature of party politics right now. The dems aren't sticking together the way the GOP did during Bush. they are wimping out. and OBama's team is playing to the oligarchs, b/c that's the safe thing to do.

as DEMS our power lies with putting pressure on OUR PEOPLE. as a matter of fact, they need political cover in order to get anything done. if the country seems a-okay with the rightward push, they will push rightward. we have to get our messages heard.

we are not your enemy.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:23 PM
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22. This should be an OP of its own. eom
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:28 PM
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26. thanks kitty -- it needs to be said -- as a matter of fact Clinton said in his bio
he was deeply sore (he said) that the base left him hanging, while expecting to get their issues passed. he said he NEEDED the political cover of grassroots anger...which...wasn't happn'in during the boom. everyone was fat and happy.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:35 PM
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29. Of course. I don't get the logic of trying to drown out critical progressive
voices. What is that supposed to accomplish, exactly? Just feels like denial

Which, coincidentally, is the theme of Arianna's piece.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:21 PM
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99. So it's OUR fault he signed NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Stegall?
Bullshit.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 03:44 PM
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126. He's got a lot of nerve, the left was the only group that did stand by him during impeachment.
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 03:46 PM by glitch
Of course he might not be saying the left is his base...that could be our projection.

edit: maybe he's talking about Mr. DLC Lieberman and his buds.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:25 PM
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24. Excellent. Since when does being a Dem equal whistling in the dark?
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 01:17 AM
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110. That's a good point, Nashville
N.B. said: "as DEMS our power lies with putting pressure on OUR PEOPLE. as a matter of fact, they need political cover in order to get anything done. if the country seems a-okay with the rightward push, they will push rightward. we have to get our messages heard."

Definitely!

Do we allow the Fox News/Rupert Murdoch agenda and POVs to become mainstream? Because that is what has been happening.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:58 AM
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116. i'm actually heartened by what i see with Ed, Steph, Rachel and the rest -- take the Free Health
Clinics for example. this is an example of a massive public action that generated copious amounts of good press that was focused on the issue. contrast this with how the TeaBaggers come off on TV. Their issues are muddled, they look like complete insane people, and there's no good will generated. they're giant public hissy fits.

i would like to see OUR press getting more involved such as we see with the Free Clinics. I'd like to see this applied to the Gulf Disaster. or, unemployment. i think there's a lot of ground to be covered.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. They don't listen to us. Our people are supposed to, no?
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #17
37. hell, Team Obama won't bring it, why should Arriana?
just sayin

If Barack Obama can't channel 'Give 'em Hell, Harry'.
Why should anyone else, including us?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #37
83. now, that is very good question -- the DLC knows that if they beat The People back repeatedly
that there's a chance people are going to give up and go back to their personal bankruptcies, foreclosures and job losses -- leaving them alone to feed at the trough. right now is the moment where "Hope 2.0" happens, or it doesn't.

it was never rational to expect a president, even a democrat, to do all the heavy lifting, and you don't want them too, actually. b/c they are going to make decisions that benefit them, or make their political lives easier.

we either participate, or we don't. right now there's a lot of participation, and it's making the DLC-wing of DU very angry.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
13. Yep. No one will do this without having their ass kicked into it ...
Get your boots on.

Oooh. Looks like you've spoken too much truth. Off with your head. 8)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. we have to get over this Tiger Beat notion of the president as our Knight in Shining Armor
if he's going to go up against the oligarchy, he needs political cover -- people have to demand that thing that the voted for...what was it again...

change?
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Sure. And we *are* to blame, for hoping too easily, and overlooking
too much.

Query: If Huffpo's now on the enemies list, along with Tom Tomorrow, Greenwald, (and on and on) .... Who's "left?"
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #19
42. Jane Hamsher?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. glen greenwald.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #42
82. One of the first turned upon.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #42
89. david sirota
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
34. I have a legitimate question
in regards to your posting. Is the *political cover* even wanted? From where I sit I don't think that's the case. At least not the sort of cover to go against any oligarchy.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. there's two sides to that -- Obama actually called for political cover early on...
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 07:57 PM by nashville_brook
then when he gets it, he bristles. this is b/c the people he is meeting with -- the monied classes -- have the ability to pressure him against our interests, and in ways that create serious discomfort. when The People are upset, there's primary challenges. when Goldman-Sachs is upset, the whole world economy tanks.

we have little tiny arrows in our quiver, and it's our duty to use them. b/c when all the people are using their little arrows, we have a chance of getting through.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #34
55. Good enough cover = political necessity?
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #15
92. yeah, to take Obama at his word when he said he would represent us at
those white house meetings..........we were pure suckers.........
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:48 PM
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32. Arianna Huffington knows nothing about the middle class. nt
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:58 PM
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36. what does queen huffington know about the middle class?
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 07:59 PM by bigtree
answer above
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Nothing.
And she was never a fan of the President.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. I'm not a "fan". I'm a constituent.
If I want to join a fan club, I'll look up Lindsay Lohan.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #45
100. Semantical minutia!
Is that the best you've got.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #100
107. Stop using big words.
maverick will start using them.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #45
127. An important distinction
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #38
49. "Obama Wins Iowa: Why Everyone Has a Reason to Celebrate" -- Arianna Huffington: January 3, 2008
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/obama-wins-iowa-why-every_b_79663.html

Barack Obama's stirring victory in Iowa -- down home, folksy, farm-fed, Midwestern, and 92 percent white Iowa -- says a lot about America, and also about the current mindset of the American voter.

Because tonight voters decided that they didn't want to look back. They wanted to look into the future -- as if a country exhausted by the last seven years wanted to recapture its youth.

Bush's re-election in 2004 was a monument to the power of fear and fear-mongering. Be Very Afraid was Bush/Cheney's Plans A through Z. The only card in the Rove-dealt deck. And it worked. America, its vision distorted by the mushroom clouds conjured by Bush and Cheney, made a collective sprint to the bomb shelters in our minds, our lizard brains responding to fear rather than hope.

And the Clintons -- their Hillary-as-incumbent-strategy sputtering -- followed the Bush blueprint in Iowa and played the fear card again and again and again.

Be afraid of Obama, they warned us. Be afraid of something new, something different. He might meet with our enemies. His middle name is Hussein. He went to a madrassa school. A vote for him would be like rolling the dice, the former president said on Charlie Rose.

And the people of Iowa heard him, and chose to roll the dice.

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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #49
101. Was this before or after she sent an undercover operative
into that fundraiser in San Francisco to make secret recordings to embarass him? Face it, Zsa Zsa is playing you.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #38
50. "Obama Isn't the Only One Being Inaugurated on Jan. 20th" -- Arianna Huffington: January 5, 2009

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/obama-isnt-the-only-one-b_b_155448.html

And that's not just because Obama has promised to make a call to service "a central cause" of his presidency. It's because this moment in history demands that we stop waiting on others -- especially others living in Washington D.C. -- to solve the problems and right the wrongs of our times. Now, more than ever, we must mine the most underutilized resource available to us: ourselves.

The night before Obama is sworn in, HuffPost is co-hosting a pre-Inaugural ball at the Newseum in Washington. Just before midnight we are going to have a Countdown to a New Era. It's a new era not just because the Bush Years will officially be over, and not just because Barack Obama will be president, but because taking on the challenges America is facing will require a new era of citizen responsibility and engagement.

To illustrate this we are putting together a video (produced by Philip de Vellis, creator of the Think Different/Hillary 1984 ad, and a media strategist at Murphy Putnam Media) that will symbolize that we are all stakeholders -- all being inaugurated on January 20th -- by having people from across America send us video of themselves taking the presidential oath of office: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The preamble of the Constitution starts with We the People. And it has never been clearer than it is now that we can't "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" without the active participation of millions of us. It is not just the Bush Years that should be over on January 20th, but also the expectation that a knight in shining armor will ride into town and save us while we cheer from the sidelines. Even if the knight is brilliant, charismatic, and inspiring. It's up to us -- We the People.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. "Obama Calls for An Extreme Makeover of Our Culture" - Arianna Huffington, May 18, 2009
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 08:26 PM by nashville_brook
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/obama-calls-for-an-extrem_b_204903.html

In his masterful commencement speech at Notre Dame this weekend, President Obama took his campaign theme of Change to a whole new level, telling the graduates -- and the rest of us -- that we find ourselves at "a rare inflection point in history where the size and scope of the challenges before us require that we remake our world to renew its promise."

So, as we stand at this inflection point and gradually move from what Jonas Salk called Epoch A (our survival-focused past) to Epoch B (our meaning-focused future), we have to ask ourselves what this remade world will look like -- and what steps we need to take to get there.

At Notre Dame, Obama offered a devastating teardown of Epoch A and its "economy that left millions behind even before this crisis hit -- an economy where greed and short-term thinking were too often rewarded at the expense of fairness, and diligence, and an honest day's work."

The problem, according to the president: "Too many of us view life only through the lens of immediate self-interest and crass materialism; in which the world is necessarily a zero-sum game. The strong too often dominate the weak, and too many of those with wealth and power find all manner of justification for their own privilege in the face of poverty and injustice."

The president should email his speech to Wall Street. And while he's at it, he should also blast it out to the people running the giant pharmaceutical companies, the ones who knowingly allow deadly drugs to remain on the shelves; to the people running chemical plants releasing deadly toxins into the water and air; to the factory farmers filling our food with steroids and additives; to the dentists exposed for trading their Hippocratic oath for profit by performing unnecessary surgeries on children.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. FDR was not "middle class" either -- therefore he wasn't starstruck by the oligarchy.
turned out to be pretty effective.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. huffington as FDR?
ha!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. of course not, silly. she's never had polio. nor is she president -- she's ruling class
just like you rightly pointed out. and so was FDR.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. Zing! Don't believe JFK was OF the middle class, either. Just
... FOR it.

So, kinda beside the point how bright the tiara atop Ms. Huffington's intelligent head.

:)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #48
60. I still can't believe she knows squat
. . . about the middle class or cares enough to find out what this administration is doing to help them. She's in the catbird seat right now, with our Democratic majority and WH to take pot shots at.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #60
65. You suggest she does it in bad faith, or simply disagree, or think she
just shouldn't criticize?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #65
73. I think she's a opportunist who likes to hear herself talk
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. Fair enough. But does she have a valid point that should be
considered, rather than dismissed out of hand, simply for being critical?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #75
88. it's the surest sign of cultural collapse -- can't tolerate criticism? the empire crumbles.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. pot...kettle?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #73
130. If I were as cogent as Ariana..
I would love to hear myself talk, too.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. AH doesn't need HuffPo to be in a catbird's seat. it's not like it's a money-maker
she's doing advocacy journalism for the issues that matter to The People. and that's what matters.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. she doesn't need the money
just the attention
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. see, now that's just ridiculous, and trades on the misogynistic "women need attention" meme
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. now she's every woman
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 08:52 PM by bigtree
brother -

sleeping now . . .
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #80
84. nighty night.
:evilgrin:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #43
58. ok
Did she mention that republicans are still blocking our jobs bill?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. and how many dems have fallen off the wagon? and where's that bully pulpit?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
64. why don't you try READING it?
Fast to unrec, but not read?

:eyes:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. you must think it's a thesis or something
It's the same boring drivel she's famous for. She's jumped onto the Obama-bashing bandwagon. She should get quite a following on the internets for that.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Come on. *Huffpo* takes it too easy on the GOP? Surely
you jest? Is she only permitted partisan speech?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #58
69. HUFFPO - The GOP Plot to Screw the Economy and the Middle Class
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-gop-plot-to-screw-the_b_662953.html

We're only three months away from the midterm election when a shockingly large number of American voters will inexplicably vote for Republican candidates. I have no idea if this will mean a Republican takeover of the House or Senate or both, but there will definitely be enough voter support for Republicans to significantly reduce the Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.

Why? Because too many voters tend to be low-information, knee-jerk Springfield-from-The-Simpsons types, and the Republicans have lashed their crazy trains to this new wave of inchoate roid-rage to help sweep them into more congressional seats.

Here are a few of the ongoing economic conditions facing a vast majority of Americans, many of whom are all revved up to vote Republican in November. According to Michael Snyder of the Business Insider:

• 61 percent of Americans "always or usually" live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007.
• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1 percent of all Americans.
• Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008.
• The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation's wealth.
• In America today, the average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks.
• More than 40 percent of Americans who actually are employed are now working in service jobs, which are often very low paying.
• Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose a whopping 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. you posted these like huffington wrote them herself - one's a NYT article
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 08:49 PM by bigtree
get real
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #76
86. oh, all of a sudden it's not about the HuffPo...don't strain your back moving the goalpost
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #86
122. you posted the links as if they represented huffington's views
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 12:07 PM by bigtree
We were talkng about Ariana Huffington and her written views in the article, not her website. You're defelecting. I'm hiding this thread, so you'll be responding to yourself.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #58
70. HUFFPO - GOP Fighting To Keep Wall Street Negotiations Secret
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/gop-fighting-to-keep-wall_n_551911.html


For the better part of a year, the GOP has blasted Democrats for legislating "behind closed doors" and making "secret deals." On Monday afternoon, the Senate will vote on a motion to proceed to debate Wall Street reform in public on the Senate floor.

Yet Republicans say their 41 members are united and will oppose the motion, in order to encourage Democrats to continue negotiating with them behind closed doors.

Condemning closed-door negotiations yet voting to prevent public debate is the height of hypocrisy, Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon) told HuffPost on Monday. "By voting against cloture, Republicans are voting to keep Wall Street negotiations behind closed doors, demanding changes to the bill without public scrutiny. Instead of closed-door deals, they should support open floor debate," said Merkley.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #58
72. HUFFPO - Small Business Jobs Bill BLOCKED By GOP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/22/small-business-aid-bill-b_n_655412.html

Perhaps the last best hope of Democrats to pass legislation aimed at creating jobs before the November elections seemed to be crumbling in the Senate on Wednesday as Republicans signaled that they would block a bill to expand government lending programs and grant an array of tax breaks to small businesses.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. Exactly. Accusing her of bad faith is a wee ridiculous.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. this is a NYT article, not a huffington opinion piece
what that proves is beyond me. There are a range of opinions on that site. That may or may not reflect on her knowledge or opinion (which is the subject of this thread-inflating tiff)
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. Great point. Down with the NYT?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #85
97. off with their heads!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
56. Those of you who do knee jerk criticisms of the messenger should at least read the article
You might actually agree with its contents.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. her message is generous, well put, and right on the money.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. And well documented
The title's not all that indicative of the contents, which as anyone can see are reality based.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #56
102. I read it and I don't agree
It is typical blame the victim conservative BS. Face it, Zsa Zsa is playing you.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #102
112. Do have anything substantive to add?
Or- like most who comment on articles the clearly haven;t read or understood -is all you have petty, middle school insults for the writer?

I mean- that wasn't even a "nice try."

:eyes:
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #112
124. That was substantive.
And it is you who resorted to "petty, middle school insults". Not me.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:18 PM
Response to Original message
46. Kick and Rec!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:27 PM
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54. Its nonsense so yeah I unrecced the turd. nt
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:49 PM
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94. K & R


:hi:


:kick:


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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:01 PM
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103. The middle class has no say in it
The political system is owned by the corporations and any effort by someone from the middle class will be wasted effort. The mafia has taken over and there's no way to get rid of them. Huffington has way too much confidence in Obama and doesn't understand how the system works.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:10 PM
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104. i think she's right tho, in that we're facing "outsider" politics...that's a start
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:26 PM
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108. What will it take to effect real change?
I don't see a people's uprising under current conditions. We thought we were voting for change in 2008, but there was nothing to it and people can't figure out what else to do. Obama is owned by the corporations, and his response to the problems: make me do it, hold my feet to the fire, blah blah blah, while he goes in the opposite direction. As if we have the power to force him to do anything.

There's not enough distress in the country to cause a people's movement. Many people are still very comfortable. This bad economy has affected only a small number of people relatively speaking. Even if large numbers of people were desperate, how would they ever get rid of corporate control of our political system, and all the bad things that go with. These politicians are cunning. They know we're at their mercy. They know how to be the lesser of two evils. And they flaunt it. "Make me do it." LOL.

Look what happened in Greece. Their situation is much more desperate than ours, for the time being. But there was no uprising there. A few days of demonstrations and they quit. So Huffington just doesn't fully understand.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:52 AM
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115. well, it certainly is hypocritical for the admin to address netroots, requesting crit, and then
sending Gibby out to attack them for doing so.

i think there's a legitimate discussion to be had on what "a people's uprising" would look like. ware the TeaBagger hissy fits a "people's uprising"? if the left went on the offensive would it look like that? i'll go ahead and answer this...perhaps, if there were major media and CongressFolk like Alan Grayson getting behind it we'd see the left out there more. And the emphasis is on the "seeing" b/c the left is always out there doing actions and protesting...it just never gets covered.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 12:06 AM
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109. Prof Robert Shiller, of Case/Shiller housing index fame, said a WPA type jobs prog was essential
last week.....
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:18 AM
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114. even the GOP knows that we're in the shitter w/o jobs...i hear it every day at work
they will tell you that the difference is they think the private sector has to provide them. well, the private sector has had years to do that and instead they send jobs overseas. a REAL jobs program -- one that aims to make shit, and fix our infrastructure, is what it's going to take to put people back to work. except for the housing bubble, most of the job growth in the last decade has been in brainiac jobs, which has left masses of skilled labor out in the cold.

there will be no recovery if the only jobs are for college grads and post grads. without manufacturing, construction and other forms of skilled labor we're kicking the can down the road...and without consumption, there's no road left b/c all those skilled workers went into the consumptive economy: restaurants, for instance.

Shiller is right.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 12:35 PM
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123. yes
and a key to keeping jobs here, and not outsourced, is strong unions

org labor pinned their hopes on O, especially re: EFCA

it was gutted early on; now O pays lip service to getting it passed, but the window of opportunity was closed; it's easy to
be magnanimous (sp?) once your side has "won."

and ps: college grads are having a tough time, too....it's being referred to as the lost gen

they are not able to move into the entry level professional jobs that they could typically progress upwards in, over the yrs
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 01:18 AM
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111. K&R n/t
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 02:13 AM
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113. K and R
HuffPost is a true progressive site

unlike the White House which is right leaning corporate
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 12:51 PM
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125. +1 n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:15 AM
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119. kickety
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:18 AM
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120. K & R !!!
:kick:

:hi:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:38 AM
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121. Recommend
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:39 PM
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128. kickety
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