Giuliani to Paul: 'Take back' 9/11 comments

[Danger Mouse]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Why did terrorists attack the U.S. on 9/11?

According to Texas Congressman Ron Paul, "They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East."

Restrained, but clearly angry, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani jumped in, calling Paul's statement "extraordinary."

"As someone who lived through the attack of September 11 -- that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq -- I don't think I've ever heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th," he said.

Giuliani's fiery response prompted applause and the following demand from the former mayor: "I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that."

In response, Paul stood by his comments and said that "if we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem ... They come and they attack us because we're over there."

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/05/giuliani-to-paul-take-back-911-comments.html

So why DID they attack us on 9/11, Rudy? Because they hate our freedoms? Oh, you're too much! :rofl: I really WOULD like to hear Rudy's explanation.
Or maybe not. It might make me want to shoot myself.
Sigh.
I'm surprised Paul said this. Took some balls. Bully for him, though. :applause:

[annabanana]

1. Ghouliani can't afford any critical thinking on his one and only

"plus" in his race for absolute control.

[Danger Mouse]

3. They hate us because of freedoms. Oook, ook.

Now give me banana. Oook, ook.

[wordpix]

61. Ghouly doesn't want anyone peering into the communications breakdown between 1st responders on 911

After the first WTC attack, he was supposed to get the communications fixed between 1st responders but by 911-01, he hadn't managed to get it accomplished.

I wonder if any MSM reporters or debate questioners will ask about that. :eyes:

[Danger Mouse]

71. Fooliania screwed up in a lot of ways on 9/11...

but still he is called a 'hero'
God bless America!

[Tyler Durden]

2. A rePuke speaking the TRUTH?

Catch me, I'm dizzy and going to faint.

[Danger Mouse]

4. Did Paul wander into the wrong debate or something?

I'm glad Rudy nearly shat himself with rage. Maybe he had to run to the bathroom afterwards and change his diaper. Mussolini Jr. will not hear anything in his lordly presence that contradicts his narrow view of the world!

[Edweird]

14. No need to faint, they are both wrong.

As I understand it, we were attacked primarily because of our military presence in Saudi Arabia and a threat of violence over a proposed oil pipeline through Afganistan. Iraq, as far as I know, wasn't part of the equation at all. OBL would have been killed had he set foot in Iraq. Ron Pauls' argument seems to indicate that we were attacked by Iraqis (or others) because of our military actions against Iraq.

[dave_p]

17. I wouldn't be so sure

I don't see a suggestion that Iraqis were involved as perpetrators, rather that the ongoing aggression against Iraq was a factor.

The humanitarian toll of the Iraq embargo was certainly exploited by aQ as well as by non-jihadi radicals as an example of western violence against Muslims. The 911 hijackers are dead so we can't scrutinize their thoughts, but sanctions and bombings certainly strengthened aQ's support base.

"They attack us because we've been over there." Check. As you point out, the US military presence in Saudi was bin Laden's explicit pretext for anti-US jihad.

"We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years." Check. US air attacks on Iraqi targets were ongoing and barely reported through the 41st to 43rd presidencies.

I think he's right to say that it contributed, just as the 2003 invasion fuelled the anger of those who carried out the later Madrid and London bombings.

he's just saying it wasn't the clear blue sky it seemed that morning. And the clouds weren't all created by distortions of Islam; far from it.

[DefenseLawyer]

22. I think Paul was speaking generally

Although he specifically mentioned "bombing Iraq for 10 years", his point was that we did plenty to give radicals and nuts reason to claim we were their enemy. It is hard to disagree with the larger point really. I don't think it in anyway justifies the attack or makes the attack "our fault", but obviously for every action we take as a nation we should assume there will be consequences.

[jollyreaper2112]

28. he's right in the broad strokes

Saudi Arabia is "over there." If it weren't for the oil, we'd never be involved in anything over there and sunni and shia could slaughter each other in peace. We're the morons sticking our dicks in the middle of generations of mutual hatred, what the fuck do we expect to happen?

Fuck Reagan and his ilk for stopping Carter's alternative energy research, fuck the GOP in general for supporting the oil barons, and fuck the American people for falling for their bullshit. Vote the bastards out, get off the oil, and bring our troops home.

[Truth2Tell]

58. I got what he was saying

Maybe he wasn't clear enough for everyone, but I understood what he meant: Our own aggressive actions around the world engender the type of hatred we saw on 9/11. Generally speaking.

It misses the point to quibble with the specifics. I don't think it's fair to Ron Paul to lump him with Rudy G and say they were "both wrong". Rudy is sick and wrong. Ron Paul is courageous.

[unlawflcombatnt]

89. Yes

Ron Paul is not only courageous, he's correct on a lot of issues.

[TheFarseer]

100. he only had 30 seconds to express his idea

just to reinforce what you were saying, maybe he didn't pick THE best example of why the terrorists/radical muslims are angry at us, but all of this heavy handed foreign policy contributes to the problems we have over there. It's time someone finally said it and I'm sad to say it was a Republican.

[Lost-in-FL]

43. I hear you... I almost crashed my car in the garage listening to Randi

I turned AAR during the speech and I almost had a heart attack when I realized that it was a Republican speech!!! :wow:

[wordpix]

62. I could not believe it myself that a repuke can think for himself! OMG, what a breakthrough

Whoops, I forgot about Hagel, the other one.

[Danger Mouse]

72. Hahaha, all of two of them! They must've run out of kool-aid!

I think it's because Lieberman's hoarding it all!!

[bklyncowgirl]

5. Rudy G will ride this for all it's worth--Kudos to Ron Paul--poor guy must feel like a punching bag

Guiliani's outrage was soaring and the crowd ate that "they hate us for our freed" blabber up. Lord knows we wouldn't want to think, would we.

[Nunyabiz]

6. Reich Wing lunatics

Like Ghouliani react to the truth like a garlic & wolf bane smoothie served in a silver cup.

[City Lights]

21. Welcome to DU, Nunyabiz!

:hi:

[newyawker99]

29. Hi Nunyabiz!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bigwillq]

35. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Nunyabiz]

38. Hello, Howdy & Hey

Thanks for the welcome

[Danger Mouse]

44. I forgot to do this earlier but....welcome to DU =)

Come over to the Lounge sometime and say hello ;)
I love 'Ghouliani' and will use it at every opportunity :)

[Danger Mouse]

11. And the audience ate that shit up, too.

Sickening. How many people actually BELIEVE that garbage?

[wordpix]

63. repuke audience, that is. Aw, give those freepers a break

[Danger Mouse]

74. Sorry, I forgot it was bad form to make fun of the terminally stupid.

:eyes:
:P

[Oeditpus Rex]

67. About 29 percent (n/t)

[bunkerbuster1]

68. Ride it, Rudy. Beyond the 28 Percenters...

there are plenty of Americans who know that Ron's version is closer to their perception of the truth than yours. Almost certainly a majority.

[Danger Mouse]

73. There are plenty, but I don't know if there are enough...

however, Giuliani has nothing to run on besides 9/11...but he can win with that if he plays it well enough...so we have to fight him, tooth and nail.
We do NOT want him in the white house...it'll be worse than Bush, much worse...

[bunkerbuster1]

76. I relish the opportunity for a Democrat to kneecap the "9/11 changed everything" meme

What better way than to run against the poster boy for all the bullshit we've tolerated in the name of fightin' terra?

[Danger Mouse]

78. Yes, I would love to see that, too...

but I'll believe it WHEN I see it. THat is, when I see a Dem with the spine to come out that strong against Giuliani. He will be nasty and rough, but we need to come out tough on him.

[Nunyabiz]

96. The ONLY way that will happen

is for the TRUTH/FACTS about 9/11 to finally be accepted mainstream. Currently approx. 50% of the country is fully aware this administration has committed mass murder, Treason, Crimes against humanity.
What is needed is for the enlightened 150 Million Americans to gather the collective courage to stand up and take down Faux Noise then turn to the other networks and say you are next unless you start singing the truth.
We must take back our media.

[jeffrey_X]

85. It's the only thing he has to ride...

nothing else....nothing.

[Philosoraptor]

7. They attacked us because bush KNEW & DIDN'T WARN US!!!111

Vacation was more important than warning us about all the terror warnings in May, June, July and August.

[maine_raptor]

8. Boy, are we scewed then.

Paul says they came here because we are there, and Bush says we can't leave 'cause they'll follow us here.

[Philosoraptor]

9. IRAQ is the central front in the war on terror, so New York is safe.

The star bellied sneetches wouldn't stay over there, so the non starred sneetches simply followed them here...or something like that.

[soothsayer]

10. did he demand falwell apologize for saying gays or abortion or

the aclu caused 911?

[Danger Mouse]

12. That would take integrity and courage.

Two things that Little Mussolini wouldn't know if they bit him in the ass.

[CJCRANE]

13. Motive, means and opportunity.

US action in the ME gave them the motive, financiers in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia gave them the means and Bushco ignoring warnings and standing down America's defenses gave them the opportunity.

[dave_p]

15. "I don't think I've ever heard that before"

Just who the heck do clowns like Giuliani listen to? Where do they claim to get their information? How dare they ask anyone to vote for them if they're so ignorant of others' motives and perceptions? You slap him down, Ron: it was an extremely courageous statement, and far more astute than any amount of "They hate us for our fries" crap.

[Danger Mouse]

30. Little Mussolini is a lying sack of shit.

As well as being an evil sack of shit. He will do ANYTHING to win.
Anything.

[zbdent]

16. There were Repukes who said NYC was attacked because Hillary was elected Senator

of course, they're the ones who also claim that the terrorists want Hillary Clinton to win ...

Boggles the mind ...

[TankLV]

83. Hillary was elected in 2000? Really? Must've missed that...

I don't think she was senator yet - Dumbmato was...

Hillary wasn't elected for a couple more years I believe...

Why - yes she aparently was - in November of 2000 according to her website!

My how the time flys...

[Freddie Stubbs]

18. When will any of the Democratic candidates say this?

:shrug:

[Danger Mouse]

31. As soon as they grow a spine.

:D

[genie_weenie]

19. Paul has been a consitent Anti-War representative

and is a Libertarian. Therefore, he is not burdened with proclaiming 9/11 as his crowning moment or beholden to the MIC. Additionally, and sadly, he doesn't have a chance at becoming president.

[Danger Mouse]

32. That's too bad. A Republican who isn't totally repugnant...

who will never have a chance of being president. I probably wouldn't vote for him in a general election, but he would be a HELL OF A LOT BETTER than scumbags like McCain, Ghouliani, or Romney.

[sheerjoy]

20. Goooooooooooooooooo Paul! Rip him a new one! n/t

[EdwardM]

23. Rudy knows his constituency thinks doesn't think effects have causes

If he keeps this up, he will win the nomination. Very smart move on Rudy's behalf. Ron Paul brought too much truth to the debate, and Rudy knew that his supporters hate truth.

[Danger Mouse]

33. Rudy is a fucking toad.

Perfect GOP nominee.

[HughBeaumont]

24. Well come ON! The USA = 100% without blame, AT ALL TIMES!

Being a Murkin don't fuggin MEAN sayin' sorry, Frenchie! The whole world needs'n to bow down to Bewsh and the Murkin Way right quick!

:sarcasm:

[Danger Mouse]

37. Ah yeah. I had forgotten that America is above reproach.

Our history has always been sunshine and flowers, and our country has never committed a single atrocity.

[HughBeaumont]

94. And every Repuke we put in office solidifies that mindset even further.

Bill Clinton was no saint, but at least that guy was welcomed by most people when he traveled overseas. When was the last time you saw the Failure Fuhrer go anywhere in AMERICA, let alone abroad, without 100 protestors for every 2 supporters?

[Justyce]

25. I see they still can't say 9/11 without saying Iraq...

[dave_p]

26. He's not saying what they're saying

Paul's comments are very differnt: he's not implying Iraq was behind it, he's saying sustained US (and European) action against Iraq contributed to Muslim anger. He's right, and it's a very different stance from his GOP colleagues'.

[Atman]

27. MSNBC just totally mischaracterized Paul's comments

Claimed that Paul said the attacks were STAGED. Of course, he didn't say any such thing, and MSNBC didn't even attempt to back it up with video, just tossed it out there like a bullshit grenade. We sure can't have a third-tier candidate making inroads on Queen Rudy, can we?

.

[Disturbed]

34. The 911 Attack plan was put together at least two years

before it was executed. There were a lot of warnings about this but the Busholini Admin. ignored those and didn't even put to airlines on High Alert. Yes, that attack was a response to the US presence in the ME and the propping up of ME countries that have dictatorships aligned with US Govt and Corp. Imperialism.

[UNCLE_Rico]

87. Most of what you say is true...

However, the most specific and believable information I've seen shows that OBL gave the final go-ahead on the plan in October, 2000 (coincidentally, of course, that's concurrent with when I would imagine Rove finished the calculations that showed him that by stealing FL, * would be in the WH by January 2001).

The info I speak of is according to the recently released intel reports (released to the public, that is) wherein it is stated that by 2000, the communications of al-qaeda's leadership had become 'transparent' to the French. They were listening in when OBL gave the final go-ahead, then later listened in as members were choosing which airlines they were going to hit.

[Danger Mouse]

36. Guess Americans can't handle the truth.

Rather than learn from history and take heed of the lessons of 9/11, lets be martyrs instead. What a load. :grr:

[Synnical]

39. This is such a huge misrepresentation!

From listening to CNN this AM, I though Paul made this rather naive comment about Iraq, and Rudy jumped in, all incredulous and outraged. Listening to Randi on the way home from work, I heard the audio, and that's not at all what happened.

Here's the transcript, where Paul actually provides the context for his comments. (I'm not supporting any of the old white dudes on that stage, just pointing out how poorly the MSM "reports").

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/us/politics/16repubs-text.html?pagewanted=15&_r=2

Republican Presidential Debate in South Carolina

Published: May 15, 2007

(Page 15 of 21)

MR. GOLER: Congressman Paul, I believe you are the only man on the stage who opposes the war in Iraq, who would bring the troops home as quickly as -- almost immediately, sir. Are you out of step with your party? Is your party out of step with the rest of the world? If either of those is the case, why are you seeking its nomination?

REP. PAUL: Well, I think the party has lost its way, because the conservative wing of the Republican Party always advocated a noninterventionist foreign policy.

Senator Robert Taft didn't even want to be in NATO. George Bush won the election in the year 2000 campaigning on a humble foreign policy -- no nation-building, no policing of the world. Republicans were elected to end the Korean War. The Republicans were elected to end the Vietnam War. There's a strong tradition of being anti-war in the Republican party. It is the constitutional position. It is the advice of the Founders to follow a non-interventionist foreign policy, stay out of entangling alliances, be friends with countries, negotiate and talk with them and trade with them.

Just think of the tremendous improvement -- relationships with Vietnam. We lost 60,000 men. We came home in defeat. Now we go over there and invest in Vietnam. So there's a lot of merit to the advice of the Founders and following the Constitution.

And my argument is that we shouldn't go to war so carelessly. (Bell rings.) When we do, the wars don't end.

MR. GOLER: Congressman, you don't think that changed with the 9/11 attacks, sir?

REP. PAUL: What changed?

MR. GOLER: The non-interventionist policies.

REP. PAUL: No. Non-intervention was a major contributing factor. Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East -- I think Reagan was right.

We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. So right now we're building an embassy in Iraq that's bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us. (Applause.)

MR. GOLER: Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack, sir?

REP. PAUL: I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it, and they are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said, "I am glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier." They have already now since that time -- (bell rings) -- have killed 3,400 of our men, and I don't think it was necessary.

MR. GIULIANI: Wendell, may I comment on that? That's really an extraordinary statement. That's an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I've heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th. (Applause, cheers.)

And I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that. (Applause.)

MR. GOLER: Congressman?

REP. PAUL: I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback. When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the shah, yes, there was blowback. A reaction to that was the taking of our hostages and that persists. And if we ignore that, we ignore that at our own risk. If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem.

They don't come here to attack us because we're rich and we're free. They come and they attack us because we're over there. I mean, what would we think if we were -- if other foreign countries were doing that to us?

MR. GIULIANI: Can I have 30 seconds, please?

MR. : No, no, no, wait a second. Let's -- we'll all get 30 seconds.

(Cross talk.)

MR. GIULIANI: They are coming --

(Cross talk.)

MR. : We all want 30 seconds of time --

[Danger Mouse]

41. We can't for a moment question ourselves or our motives.

At least, not if you're someone like Giuliani, who willfully ignores the truth.
Paul was right, and I applaud him for having the courage to say that. I hope he wins the GOP nomination, unlikely as it is. Not because I'd vote for him, but because it'd mean the Republicans were fielding a cantidate with some fucking DIGNITY.

[rucky]

40. Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11!

just sayin'

[Danger Mouse]

42. That's not what he was saying at all.

Look at the bigger picture of his remarks. He only gave Iraq as an EXAMPLE of what we were doing in the Middle East to piss people off.

[d_b]

45. He speaks the truth

What are is chances of getting the nomination?

[Danger Mouse]

53. Probably zilch.

[spanone]

46. Ron Paul made a lot of sense on this point. IMHO

Giuliani is a one trick pony. terra terra terra

[Danger Mouse]

52. Rudy has NOTHING without 9/11.

He's a worthless shitheap with one pathetic claim to fame. He isn't the 9/11 hero he'd want people to believe, either, but the media devoured that steaming turd quite eagerly.

[TankLV]

86. He did what was MINIMALLY required of his JOB as mayor...

HE. WAS. NO. HERO.

He only did WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING.

Only in comparison to the woefully INCOMPETANT, INADEQUATE, COWARDLY, CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT way that bunkerboy and the rest of the REPUKES acted, it could be seen as a QUANTUM LEAP in "leadership".

But DEMOCRATS do that ON A DAILY BASIS - many have and are still doing it NOW...

That only illustrates how low bunkerboy and the REPUKES have brought our ONCE great nation...

[alarimer]

47. Giulianis is full of shit

They don't hate us for who we are (but Rudy G. would like us to think so) but because of WHAT WE DO. It was our actions in the past that brought about the attack. And we learned nothing from it. Instead we have made it more likely, not less, that there will be another such attack, through our actions.

Why is Ron Paul the only one making any sense?

[Danger Mouse]

51. Giuliani believes the crap he spouts.

He's not just a moron. He's an evil moron.
He's the perfect successor to Bush. McCain just isn't EVIL enough.

[Gabi Hayes]

54. No he doesn't, That would make him insane. He's just megalomaniacal.

He knows he's lying, and it's obvious; writ large all over him every time he adresses certain subjects, especially the ones that get him in trouble with the trog base.

I'd love to play poker with that jerk.

[Danger Mouse]

56. I think he is insane. Or close to it...

and I fear the idea of him becoming president. I think he'd make Bush look GOOD in comparison.

[alarimer]

57. I can't stand him but my mother LOVES him

She's a Democrat but she has bought into all the adulatory bullshit regarding Giuliani, although none of it is true!

[Danger Mouse]

59. Right now he's fooling a lot of people.

If he DOES become the Republican cantidate for president, we have to tear him down and expose him for what it is.

[Gabi Hayes]

65. the MEDIA are doing the fooling, by hyping his BS so assiduously, so credulously.

He's made his plan crystal clear now, with the balls-out stance on abortion. he must think he has the nomination already sewn up, and is going for the 'centrist' vote in the general populace

his hope is, apparently, that the media will allow him to maintain the illusion of 911 Champion/Hero. As Tweety said yesterday (paraphrasing) the public does NOT want to hear anything that will tear down the facade of 911-generated invincible perfection. He wears the Reagan mantle; the one that NOBODY dared question, even unto this day. Especially, now, as the phony legend only gathers steam.

If St. Rudy has his way, and no questions regarding his horrible decision-making before, during, and after the 911 tragedy are allowed during the campaign (EXACTLY as the press protected Bush during both stolen elections previously), he's going to waltz into our house in less than two years

be afraid

be very afraid

the media are our greatest enemy

they have been ever since Jimmy Carter tried to upset the apple cart with his far reaching energy policy

it's very obvious

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_energy.html

read it and weep. I've linked it many times before. It DETAILS what SHOULD have been. thirty freaking YEARS ago!

[Danger Mouse]

77. Giuliani is as far right as Mussolini, but he can play the center well and use 9/11 to his advantage

The media can be practically guaranteed to be on his side, so it will be up to us to spread the word...and the truth...about Giuliani.
I AM afraid of what he could do to this country. I think he is far more evil than Bush...not necessarily as war-mongering...but incredibly vicious, foul-tempered, and vindictive.

[Gabi Hayes]

79. couldn't agree more. AFA warmongering, he'll do it with just as much ease as did

President Shitfor Brains

war is only a marketing strategy for the Fascist Party America, formerly known as the GOP

[Danger Mouse]

80. Oh, he'll go to war alright, just for different reasons than Bush.

I don't think Giuliani is war-mongering, just a hateful and vicious little fleck of spittle who will relish the opportunity to crush all opposition, both at home and abroad.
Expect a police state under Giuliani, far more severe than anything Bush ever put in place.

[Gabi Hayes]

81. He's made specific quotes....I have em somwhere...about contravening

the constitution in his precious post-911 scenario

he could care less about such niceties as civil liberties, when, uh, freedom is at stake

can you be more insanely ironic?

[Danger Mouse]

82. freedom is slavery, of course, and war, peace.

Giuliani is the dark successor to Bush. Bush laid the foundation, and Giuliani will build the house of hate on the fetid groundwork laid by Chimpy.
I shudder to think of a presidency with scum like that in the white house.

[wordpix]

64. see my post 61 and get some info for her. This guy couldn't get firemen to talk to firemen on 911

Yet he believes all the adulatory crap about him. He was cool under fire but he could have saved hundreds of first responders' lives if he done his fucking job as mayor.

[Warren Stupidity]

48. Ron Paul said what cannot be said.

He spoke the words that cannot be spoken. I predict that he will be disappeared from the next rethug debate.

America cannot deal with the grim reality that on an objective basis the attack we suffered on 9-11 was in retaliation for our actions against muslim nations and people. In an eye-for-an-eye ethos the attack was entirely justified. We cannot deal with this either on the level of its factual basis or on the questions it raises about an ethical system that demands retaliation in kind. Instead we retreat into American Exceptionalism, the pathetic rationalization for why we may do unto others what they may not do unto us.

[Gabi Hayes]

49. Wait a minute! Are you saying we didn't have the right to

overthrow that dirty commiemofo Chavez?

Why do you hate america so much?



Give me that, or I'm going over there!

[Danger Mouse]

50. It's the shell that protects the psyche of the American public from the harsh reality...

that America has done a great deal of evil in the world, as well as a great deal of good. However, our evil deeds have consequences. 9/11, tragically, was a consequence of our deeds.
However, since childhood, Americans are indoctrinated with the idea that America is infallible...everything is sugar coated, and unless you do your own research and have a desire to learn more, you will never be exposed to the truth.
The truth would shatter the minds of many Americans who are so fully oblivious that they have no idea of the evil we have done and are doing.

[brettdale]

55. Yeppers

Rudy is the Biggest 9/11 whore in History.

[driver8]

60. Fuck Giuliani. He acts like 9/11 is his personal issue...

If his pal little lord pissy pants wasn't so busy hiding on his ranch, 9/11 may not have happened.

I wish these fuckers would quit using 9/11 as their political platform.

[Danger Mouse]

75. They won't. Ever. Terror is all they have now, and they will play it to the hilt.

Fear is a wonderful motivator.

[samsingh]

66. they should love us now

that we don't have freedoms anymore.

that's bush's master plan to make us loved around the world.

[pinniped]

69. Ya, one of them must be "they hate us for our freedumbs."

and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th," he said.

I guess because of this, Rudy the Dork knows it all.

"As someone who lived through the attack of September 11

[Danger Mouse]

70. I would like to hear what he thinks the reason is, but it's almost certainly 'our freedoms'

Giuliani isn't just an asshat...he's a KING asshat.

[slipslidingaway]

84. Video Ron Paul Schools Hannity on “Blowback”

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/16/ron-paul-schools-hannity-on-blowback/


"The FOX post-debate show got a little heated last night when Hannity and Colmes got around to interviewing Ron Paul about how things went. Hannity tried to pull his usual schtick by asking a question then interrupting and talking over the guest, but Paul plowed right ahead. Hannity brought up Paul's exchange with Rudy Giuliani on the root cause of 9/11 and couldn't seem to grasp the concept of American foreign policy playing a role in Islamic terrorism. Alan jumps in at the end and teams up with Rep. Paul to counter Sean's talking point stupidity."

[and-justice-for-all]

91. Crooks and Liars seems to be broken...nt

[slipslidingaway]

99. Partial transcript and another video, Paul we gave them the gas!

http://allronpaul.blogspot.com/2007/05/transcript-ron-paul-and-sean-hannity.html


snip>>

"HANNITY: I'm not saying that, but what specifically then are you saying? Are you suggesting that our policies are causing the hatred of people that would cause them to want to kill us?

PAUL: I think it contributes significantly to it. And this is exactly what our CIA tells us. And anybody who's done any research on this has found out --

HANNITY: What have we done to cause the attack? What did America do to cause the attack on 9/11?

PAUL: Ok. The Americans didn't do anything to cause it, but policies over many years caused and elicited hatred toward us so somebody was willing to commit suicide. For instance, the occupation with our military troops on their holy land in Saudi Arabia. Bombing a Muslim country for 10 years, putting on sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of people, so that caused the anger.

HANNITY: Are you saying then that the world has no moral obligation, like in the first Gulf War, when an innocent country's being pilaged, and people are being raped and murdered and slaughtered, or in the case of Saddam, he's gassing his own people, are you suggesting we have no moral obligation there? Do you stand by and let that immorality happen?

PAUL: We have, on numerous occasions.


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"COLMES: The Kurds were gassed, and we stood by for years, until --

PAUL: We gave them the gas.

COLMES: Until we could get an excuse.

PAUL: We gave them the gas.

HANNITY: Listen, we are not responsible for what happened on 9/11. We're not responsible.

PAUL: A non-interventionist foreign policy is very attractive to the American people."

[and-justice-for-all]

102. FauxNews "denial" tactic is really old...

The games up, the majority now knows the truth...If you act like you do not know where countries like Iraq, whom we the US put Saddam in the throne and well as weapons during the Iran.Iraq war, your a denialest and an ignorant dipshit.

Just like Vietnam, it really started in '62 with bombing raids in the south, not '67.

[Renew Deal]

88. This is a huge mistake by Guiliani.

He just elevated Paul to his level. He should have dropped it.

[Danger Mouse]

92. Giuliani is incapable of dropping anything. He's too vindictive...

and he can NOT handle any sort of criticism. My hope is that his temper will cost him the nomination/general election.

[and-justice-for-all]

90. Paul was in the company of snakes...

..He might be a rethug, but he is the only one on that panel that made any logical sense and said things that needed to be said. He was a kick in the balls to those NeoCon idiots.

[Danger Mouse]

93. That moist, sweaty toad McCain must've been quaking in his oily boots.

'Do I agree or disagree? Someone please tell me what position to take.'
Meh.

[Buns_of_Fire]

95. Past 9/11, Giuliani's got nothin'.

With the exception of Paul, we already know what the republic's theme for '08 will be (as if we didn't already).

[dogday]

97. Ron Paul referenced the 9-11 report

and in that report they talk about our foreign policy in the middle east and how we bungled it... Also the soldiers in Saudi Arabia did not help....

Rudy should associate himself with the 9-11 report before he opens his mouth again....

[opihimoimoi]

98. Rudy has revealed his shallowness in that exchange....he could not

allow Ron Paul to go on w/o his reaction described above....it was like Senator Bentsons moment w Dan Quayle...but in this case Paul was speaking the Truth and Rudy didn't see it, or was blinded by ambition, and used denigration to make his shallow point.

Rudy will not make a good President....a bit better than Bush?...maybe

[Jade Fox]

101. Ron Paul made a big mistake....

He stated an obvious truth: "If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem."
The more obvious the truth, the more "outraged" those trying to cover it up become.


What will it take for Americans to accept this undeniable truth, courageously stated by Ron Paul? It's just common sense.