1. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[kratos12]

This makes my #1 Christian tenet that US right wing Christians break on a daily basis.

Wether it's burning Korans or denying people the right to marry or just good ole torture our repuke Christian brethren are TOTALLY cool with breaking this very important and easy to understand teaching.

Why are we (or rather our leaders) not calling them out on it?

[Make7]

1. Jesus wasn't always right. ( n/t )

[Dappleganger]

4. Jesus was tough on...

hypocrites, rich people and those who tried to make a buck by taking advantage of others.

How wrong is that?

[kratos12]

8. The philosophy espoused by Jesus was da bomb

The problem has been with people latching onto to his brand and turning it into something it was most definitely not.

[Dappleganger]

14. +10000

[Make7]

9. I know for a fact that Jesus would have been a Republican if he were a US voter today.

Therefore what you posted cannot possibly be true - he wouldn't have been tough on the people that have a spiritual kinship with the Republican Party.

It still amazes me that some people believe that Jesus would not be a free-market laissez-faire capitalist, a strong supporter of the military-industrial complex, and a proponent of concealed carry laws and the death penalty if he were an American citizen today.

It's almost as if people don't know what is actually in the Bible...
 

[Dappleganger]

13. You know for a fact?

Are you the 13th apostle so you know something the rest of us don't??

BTW, in the scriptures of the New Testament it is quite clear that Jesus tried to remain as apolitical as possible, even when others tried to draw him in (such as the paying taxes issue).

If you're trying to be sarcastic then forgive me for missing the /s/.

[jberryhill]

18. Try these on for size

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10%3A34&version=KJV

Matthew 10:34

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2014:26&version=KJV

Luke 14:26

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

[Dappleganger]

23. response

Name one time that JC in the past used any weapon. ONE TIME.
The sword is the word of God, and Jesus brought God's word to those who wanted to listen. To some it brought peace and life (because they accepted it); to others it brought spiritual death (as they rejected it). Jesus at no time told anyone to draw their sword and kill in His name.

Next, the passage in Luke is talking about how much a person would have to give up in order to follow in Jesus' footsteps. He may have to give up his parents, his family even if what they believed (or didn't) was different than what Christ taught. He also told the rich man that he would need to give everything he owned to the poor in order to follow Him. Jesus (similar to Buddha) taught that denial of your selfish desires and the trappings of the material world would prevent one from having real faith. He also lived that life of poverty, not keeping anything for himself, insisting that the disciples pool their resources together in order to feed the hungry crowds which followed them, and breaking cultural taboos in order to present his message.

[jberryhill]

24. Suuure - and a whip is not a "weapon", right?

You entirely miss the point. There are those who wander these threads with a list of Quran verses which are supposed to demonstrate that Islam is just horrific.

Yes, if you define "sword" to mean something other than "sword" and "hate" to mean something other than "hate", then you are well on your way....

But, to you a whip made out of cords - i.e. a scourge - is not a weapon?

John 2:13-16

When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!

Did you seriously believe there was not a Biblical account of Jesus using a weapon?

The whip was a fashion accessory in this context?

Sheesh


He also stole a horse!

[kratos12]

15. Exactly, just like in the Bible when

the Romans came to put him up on the cross but he said "Not today suckas" then whipped out his ninja sticks and TOTALLY whupped Roman ass in slow motion leaving a pile of bloodied Centurians.

Then remember when he lit his stogie as he was walking away and nonchalantly tossed the match back over his shoulder igniting and blowing up the Romans.

That was sooooooo cool.

[jberryhill]

25. More people need illustrated bibles....

[lob1]

2. The people who hate and destroy in the name of Jesus,

don't know what Jesus was all about.

[firehorse]

3. another hate-group disguised as a church

I'm still wondering why the church has not publicly denounced this attention whore nutjob. At the very least he should be discredited or the equivelent of de-frocked.

If they can't do this, then they are a political hate group and not a legit church.

[handmade34]

5. many have

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/09/koran-quran-patraeus-burn-dove-mosque/1

"...denounce categorically the derision, misinformation and outright bigotry being directed against America's Muslim community. We bear a sacred responsibility to honor America's varied faith traditions and to promote a culture of mutual respect and the assurance of religious freedom for all. In advance of the ninth anniversary of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, we announce a new era of interfaith cooperation."

[Dappleganger]

6. People all over have been...

there have been religious leaders of most denominations who have been condemning them. Even today at lunch a big group of theologians of all faiths stood up and denounced what that church wants to do.

I have been spending time all over our local websites denouncing them as a christian (probably why I'm a bit frazzled at the moment). I would say the comments are about 1/3 who are against it and being vocal, and the other 2/3 think that it shouldn't just stop at burning the koran.

That's what happens when you burn up shit...it gets out of hand very quickly and turns into an ugly monster, devouring bystanders in the way.

[firehorse]

7. glad to hear he's being denounced

I just heard on NPR after my last post that an evangelical church denounced him. Normally I stay in lurkdom, but this topic pulled me out.

[Dappleganger]

10. Well we still haven't heard

from people like franklin graham and rick warren. If I'm wrong please correct me but I did search.

Unfortunately those of us who choose to pursue peace in our faith are often drowned out. We're not that interesting and really don't make for good tv ratings.

[Fumesucker]

16. They have no influence..

I mean it's not like one of them spoke at Obama's inauguration or anything..

Oh.. Wait..

[TBF]

11. The Houston clergy called them out on it -

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/7187112.html

Religious leaders decry plans for Quran burning
Florida church will mark 9/11 by destroying books
By SAFIYA RAVAT
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Sept. 5, 2010, 11:36AM

Religious leaders gathered in Houston on Saturday to condemn a Florida church's campaign to burn hundreds of Qurans later this week.
Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, Sikh, Zoroastrian and Muslim clergy spoke to about 120 people at an interfaith symposium held at the Baitus Samee Mosque in northwest Houston. They discussed the sanctity of scriptures and denounced the ill-treatment of religious books.
"Even if it is a human document merely inspired by encounters of the divine, or generations of my people's wisdom passed down and kept sacred, it is still sacred," Rabbi Jonathan Siger told the audience.

(more at the link)

[jberryhill]

20. "Liberal Christians" - Not real Bible-believing Christians

As far as Evangelicals and Fundies are concerned, anybody who gets together for an "interfaith" anything is pretty much on the highway to Hell.

Any religion which is not Christian is Satan's own, so REAL Christians will not consort with believers in those other, Satanic religions.

[TBF]

22. That's about as good as it gets in Houston -

you're right of course.

[azureblue]

12. Better

Matthew 7:1-5.

I have had several "encounters" with wingnuts, and the winning argument begins with this:
"That is not a Christian thing to do. What did Jesus teach about this?".
Followed with, "That is not what Jesus taught and you know it. Go read your Bible."
Followed with, "You know and refuse to do what Jesus taught, so you reject Jesus."
If they try to attack you, the response is, "Those are the Words of Jesus right there in the Bible. You are mad at me because I show them to you?"

Also, try Matthew 5 for more quotes, but here is my standard spiel:

Why you refuse to do what your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ told you to do? If you refuse and ignore His Holy words, then your refuse and ignore Jesus. There is no parsing of His words- they are absolute and the words of Salvation.


I refer you to Matthew 7, vs 1-5, quoted here from the King James Bible:

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

[Better Today]

17. The problem with that ideal is that not everyone wants to have done unto them

the same. For example, let's take a women in a dress that looks just awful on her. Some want you to be honest when asked, "do you like this dress?" Some don't and want you to lie to make them feel better. Since we are not all the same, the concept fails from the get-go. I treated others as I want to be treated for many years, till I learned that not everyone actually wants the truth all the time, but I do, so I was honoring the golden rule and being hated for it. I'm only just now learning to try to judge what someone else wants rather than what I would want.

You say, oh, but that's a trivial example, but it isn't as though this isn't applicable to everything. I'm sure that those that are against gay marriage, are against homosexuality in general, and if they were to have homosexual tendencies themselves, they would be so filled with self-hatred that they would want all of society to force them straight. So they are in fact doing unto others as they would want done unto them, if they were to suffer the humiliation (in their opinions, not mine) of being gay. Similarly fanatically religious folks would want to be shunned, shamed, and perhaps harmed, if they were to turn away from their choice of tenets. I was raised in evangelical Texas (my parents weren't but society was) and I often heard something akin to "I'd rather die than turn away from Jesus," and they were dead serious. So again according to their "as you would have done unto you," is perfectly in line with causing death rather than allowing someone turned away from Jesus to live.

Now I also understand this isn't the only teaching of Jesus as told by the myth tellers, but it is the one under discussion here, and truly we all need to pull our heads out of our asses regarding this quote. Since I (or you) may not have the same opinions as to what I want vs what someone else wants, it is a piss poor tenet to embrace.

[jberryhill]

21. +1

Most here really don't get the mindset of Evangelical Christians, and how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[jberryhill]

19. That works great until you meet a Christian Masochist /nt

[HopeHoops]

26. The GOP reads that as "Do unto others BEFORE they do unto you."

They are Christian in name only.