Pope to call for "full communion" between Anglicans and Catholics

[DonCoquixote]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/the-pope/8011464/Pope-to-call-for-full-communion-between-Anglicans-and-Catholics.html

Do NOT let the title fool you! This is an attempt by Pope Ratzinger to poach off Anglicans that are angry about the fact the church has turned liberal. Think of the mouth breathers who were angry that the Episcopals had a gay bishop, or that they ordained women!

From the article:
"It could lead to the defection of thousands of Anglicans if the final plans are accommodating enough for traditionalist clergy who have become disillusioned at the increasingly liberal direction of the Church of England"

Now, amongst these Anglican ready to defect are the right wingers, the ones who want England to be the jolly old place where brown people knew their place. There are also american Episcopals who will happily join in the right wing putsch.

Johnny Ratz is throwing a "hail mary" pass, since he knows that nhis Cash Cow, Latin America, is getting sick of his right wing crap.

[glinda]

1. This is unfortunate. He has been causing problems since he came in.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. I.E> Let the Roman Catholic Church incorporate the Anglican Chruch

[Ken Burch]

3. ...after which, Katherine of Aragon will once again be Queen of England?

...and Thomas More's head will be sewn back on?

[Fumesucker]

4. LOL..

:rofl:

[BrklynLiberal]

8. Ta Da!!!!!!!!!!!

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Ta Da!!!!!!!!!!!

[Posteritatis]

28. *applause* (nt)

[Canuckistanian]

5. Wow, he just LOVES stirring up shit, doesn't he?

He KNOWS that homosexual rights are divisive in the Protestant churches and he hopes to CASH IN on that fact.

What a fucking bottom feeder.

[Ken Burch]

7. He's German....

"shit" and "bottom feeding" mean a lot to some of them.

[Angry Dragon]

14. I find your remark offensive

[Ken Burch]

16. I find everything Benedict has done offensive

Especially his insane implication that attempting to ordain women is as grave a sin as sexual abuse of children by priests.

This is a man who's whole life has been about hypocrisy and crushing hope
as he did when he crushed Liberation Theology and, by so doing, left the world's poor with no hope at all if they wanted to remain Catholic(if you're against Liberation Theology, you want the poor to stay miserable until they die).

Finally, I am partially(although not predominately, thank God) of German descent, and see no reason why I shouldn't use stereotypes from the culture that produced Benedict(a culture, at its worst, that is simultaneusly ultrarigid and ultra-twisted)as a comment on the heartless hypocrisy of the man.

Nothing in my post was anywhere near as obscene as Benedict's whole brutal, arrogant, soul-crushing reign as pope.

Nonetheless, even though there was no reason to do so, I modified the post slightly. Happy now?

[Angry Dragon]

21. You can say anything you want about the pope

I have not found anything good to say about him

I was speaking of the German reference .........

[Ken Burch]

25. While a lot of Germans aren't anything like Benedict

Clearly, much of what is bad about him is caused by the darkest parts of that country's national character.

[rug]

6. He's calling for full ecclessial communion between the churches. He's not 'poaching'.

The Anglican Ordinariate is for individual Anglicans who want to join the RCC without abandoning Anglican traditions but this is a call for the two corporate bodies themselves to rejoin.

[Ken Burch]

10. I'm thinking he's not including Bishop Robinson in the invite.

Or Bishop Schori.

[rug]

11. You'd be right.

There have been a lot of changes since the ecumenism talks in the 70s. Something would have to give for this to happen. Nevertheless, that is what he's saying.

[JerseygirlCT]

23. Especially Bishop Schori

Plenty of gay men in the ranks.

It's the women they couldn't abide.

[DonCoquixote]

31. If you think

That he is not trying to appeal to Anglicans that hate Gays, you, with all due respect, are naive. I am Episcopal, and i nearly saw my Parish wrecked by this "movement."

[rug]

34. Do you think, prior to Gene Robinson, the Episcopal Church supported gay hate?

[Ken Burch]

37. The parts of it that fought against full acceptance of gay people as Episcopalians did.

They didn't do any of that out of any spirit of "Christian love".

At best, before the present date, Episcopalianism, like MOST Christian denominations(and, to be fair, like the majority of most religious groups worldwide)sent gay people the message that they were welcome if they "straightened up and flew right"(i.e., become heterosexual, something everyone has known gay people can't do for at least forty years now)or stayed "in the closet"(hiding their sexuality, denying themselves genuine romantic relationships, and settling at most for sordid encounters in sordid locations...or, if one was a CLOSETED Episcopal or Anglican bishop, quietly having it off with somebody on the staff, as Roman Catholic priests often did and do with the"housekeeper" at the rectory).

[snagglepuss]

12. You are quite uninformed to write "right wingers who want England to be the jolly old place where

brown people knew their place." The hard push to the right and intolerance in the Anglican Church is largely coming from the African dioceses. I'm no defender of established religion but RW Anglicans are in a knot about homosexuals and women being ordained and Africans are leading the charge.


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[Ken Burch]

13. Nigeria, where the church is at its most intolerant about gays, is pretty much the only place

where the Anglican Communion is gaining followers.

It's also been said, however, that the intolerance within Nigerian Anglicanism is tied to the fact that, in Nigeria, it was missionaries from the Low Church or "Evangelical" wing of Anglicanism that started the Anglican following there.

[snagglepuss]

18. The Ugandan bishop is also extremely homophobic but homophobia in

the African Anglican community is not limited to those two countries.


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...the head of the Council of Anglican Provinces in Africa left little doubt that his position on the matter is settled.“Today, the West is lacking obedience to the word of God,” Reverend Ian Ernest of Mauritius told journalists on the sidelines of the conference.

“It is for us to redress the situation,” he said, adding that he has severed all ties to the Episcopalian churches in Canada and the United States that have allowed gays to enter the clergy.

Homosexuality is illegal in many African countries and is punishable by a prison sentence.



Read more: http://life.nationalpost.com/2010/08/24/african-anglican-bishops-say-homosexuality-violates-word-of-god/#ixzz0zviAb01k

[Ken Burch]

19. South African Anglicanism, however, is very progressive and inclusive on the issue

Archbishop Tutu has made sure of that-which is why he probably ALSO won't be invited to take communion with Ratzi's cult anytime soon.

[QC]

20. Unfortunately, the new primate in Capetown is not as gay friendly as Tutu.

He does not want to see the church split over gays, but he does think we are sinful, awful people and TEC should be punished for not being sufficiently mean to us.

[JerseygirlCT]

24. Africans and the Southern Cone

Although they find plenty of Anglos who are happy with their twisted theology.

[DonCoquixote]

30. Yes, Africans are

in the charge, but do not foll yourself. Read the "comment" section the GuardianUK, and you will see many who want England to be England again.

[snagglepuss]

35. I read CIF regularly. CIFers don't post their religious affiliations

so you are making baseless accusations about Anglicans in the UK. In fact you have no idea whatsoever where CIFers are located do you? Are you aware that most CIFers are outside the UK? However I don't suppose you are going to let facts get in your way.

[QC]

15. Benny Ratsfinger holds to the doctrine of Papal Supremacy, so what he means here

is that he would like to see Anglicanism assimilated into his operation.

Goodbye female and LGBT clergy! Goodbye divorced laypeople! Goodbye independent national churches! Hello infallibility! Pay, pray, and obey--you're part of Vatican Inc. now!

He is most assuredly not talking about what the rest of the world means when they say "full communion," which is a mutual recognition of the validity of orders, as between the Episcopal Church and the Church of England.

[nosmokes]

17. sounds like some sorta witch's brew to me..n/t

[Ken Burch]

26. Wasn't "Full Communion" an early 70's Miles Davis album?

If not, if should've been.

[JerseygirlCT]

22. The hell with that!

I didn't cease being a Roman Catholic only to have my new church co-opted by the boys in Rome.

They're welcome to join us, however. As soon as they give up their He Man Women-haters Club.

[DonCoquixote]

32. I hear you Jersey Girl

Sadly, there are plenty of people without spine in our church, including Rowan Williams himself. If he had half the leadership his position demands, he would have told Pope Ben to mind his own church!

[L0oniX]

27. ...and the Vienna Boys Choir.

[Ken Burch]

29. I just keep remembering what I heard they do to those choirboys

to keep their voices high:

[snagglepuss]

33. self delete

[annabanana]

36. Any Anglicans that want to leave have to leave all their pretty stuff behind.

You know, vestments. Cathedrals, that sort of stuff.

[Ken Burch]

38. You know...I think you've just explained why England was the birthplace of "Glitter Rock"

It's "the pretty stuff"...WITHOUT the Anglicanism.